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Understanding Islam And Its Radicals
ConservativeTruth.org ^ | November 11, 2001 | Ana Barrett

Posted on 03/27/2003 8:26:19 AM PST by Luis Gonzalez

I was completely numb as I watched the videos of the attack on September 11. As the attack was investigated and we learned that the perpetrators were Islamic terrorists, I could not shake the thought that something in their religion made these attacks seem legitimate in their eyes.

So I started, very cautiously, to look into what Islam stands for and what it considers important. I did not want to jump to conclusions. I wanted to know the truth. As a Christian and a serious student of the Bible, I am familiar with the bloody passages of the Old Testament. For this reason I proceeded with caution in my research. My goal was to discover the truth about Islam. My research did include some limited reading of the Qur'an (known in the West as the Koran), but it mainly consisted of reading and listening to people who were very knowledgeable of the religion.

First of all, in order to understand Muslims we need to know what they think of Allah, and we need to look at their worldview. We need to understand moderate Muslims, but we also need an understanding of the radical point of view.

Dr. Samuel Schlorff, an expert on Islam with Arab World Ministries, has written an excellent paper on the religion. He makes a scholarly comparison between Christianity and Islam. Much of the information used in this article regarding the history of Islam was drawn from this paper.

Here are some key points of Islamic theology:

1. Allah is Absolutely Transcendent
Allah is unlike anything that exists. This means that Allah is completely mysterious. Muslims believe that they can know the truth about him, but they can't have any knowledge of him as a person. He is a distant god who lets only his will be known.

2. Divine Guidance
Muslims believe the Qur'an offers guidance for living life and it is usually referred to as "a guidance and mercy for believers." (Sura 27:77) Their law (the Shari'ah) consists of the Qur'an as well as other materials.

3. Islam is from Heaven
The Qur'an describes its revelation as a "sending down" of material from a heavenly being. Because it came in the Arabic language, it is referred to as a heavenly language. From this idea stems the thought that an Islamic community is of heavenly origin. Dr. Nabil Jabur was interviewed recently on Moody radio. He is the author of the book The Rumbling Volcano, which deals with radical Islam. He states that the Qur'an is comprised of recitations given by Muhammad, which Muslims believe came from Allah for specific situations. Thus, when Muhammad was experiencing a tranquil period in his life, the tolerant recitations came forth. When he was having problems with three Jewish tribes, the militant recitations came forth. The Qur'an teaches both peace and war.
Some verses dealing with tolerance are:
Sura 2:5-6 - There is no compulsion in religion.
Sura 5:82 - The nearest in affection to the believer are those who say we are Christian.
Dr. Jabur stated. "When only one side of the Qur'an is presented alone, that is not the truth."

4. A Community in Submission
The Islamic view of the world is that man is inherently good. If man is depraved by society, then any government can create a perfect society by enforcing Islamic law. Muhammad was the head of state of Medina, which Muslims believe was a perfect society. This form of Islamic government is considered by Muslims to be an example of living in true submission to divine law. This degree of submission is greater than any that exists outside of Islam. For Muslims such a community represents the kingdom of Allah on earth. They believe the future of Islam is to dominate the whole House of War (which is how they refer to the entire non-Muslim world) until it is controlled by an Islamic state. The ultimate goal is that the entire world be under Islamic law.

What does the word Islam mean? We have been told, that Islam is related to the Arabic word meaning "peace." This is partially accurate, except that the word means a specific kind of peace. A more accurate translation is "surrender" or "submission." It describes the calm that exists when a vanquished soldier lays down his arms in submission. Dr. Schlorff states, "The truth is that there is another side to Islam, a side that embraces violence 'in the way of Allah.'"

Sura 2:216 - Fighting is prescribed for you.
Sura 2:190-192 - Fight in the cause of god, those who fight you enslave them. Fight them until there is no more persecution and oppression and there prevails justice and faith in god.
Sura 9:5 - Fight and enslave infidels.

During his interview Dr. Jabur was asked what the typical Muslim would think of Osama bin Laden. Would they approve or disapprove of what he is doing? He stated that it would be possible for religious Muslims to have either opinion. Some are embarrassed by what bin Laden is doing. Others think that grievances which have existed for years have come to a head in a justified violent retaliation.

Dr. Jabur tried to illuminate the meaning of a phrase which is used by Muslims and which has not been explained to us. Jihad does not mean holy war. Jihad means "striving for god." It comes in three degrees: 1) Striving against sin in one's own life; 2) The act of motivating others to do good; and 3) Using violent means to stop a wrong act is justifiable if necessary. This third degree is the one with which we are most familiar.

After Muhammad died in Medina he was succeeded by four caliphs who ruled in his place. (A caliph is "one who comes after.") The leadership of Muhammad's Islamic society was divided. Sunnis accept that all four were legitimate. Shi'ites believe that only one, Ali, was the rightful successor. The result has been a division within the Muslim world pertaining to Islamic law and spiritual authority. That is why we do not have a single Muslim leader to whom the world can appeal to stand up and lead the Muslims of the world away from bin Laden.

Shortly after the Attack, Chuck Colson brought up some very interesting points on his radio show, Breakpoint. He stated that due to the lack of widely recognized Islamic leadership, bin Laden is attempting to unify the radical Muslims living in moderate Muslim states. He would like nothing more than to have them overthrow those states so that he can unify them and install himself as the leader of one large radical Islamic nation, and wage war against the West. As evidence of this, he pointed out that bin Laden has not shown much interest in the Palestinians in the past. Now he is speaking out in their behalf in order to gain their support.

Of course most Muslims do not support such violence as terrorism. However watching a Muslim country being bombed day after day might change the minds of even the most moderate and cause them to support bin Laden. Perhaps that is the plan: Goad Muslims into hating the West so much that anything goes. The Qur'an supports both violence and peace. They may think that they can use violence now and then have peace on their own terms later


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: islam; islamofascists; radicalislam
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Thanks for the ping Luis.

The last paragraphs of this piece pretty much summarizes my thought's on the matter.

I see people like Osama Bin Laden using Islam as a political force to install himself in power, maintain that power and eventually profit from it. He is quite simply exploiting Islam for his own benefit.

IMO, one of the wisest things this President did was to draw a distinction between waging war on Terrorism and waging war on Islam itself. This short circuited the notion of a "Holy war" and attempted to market our action against the Taliban and now Saddam as a police action instead.

So far, it has been fairly successful.

81 posted on 03/27/2003 1:17:36 PM PST by Jhoffa_ (Hi, I'm Johnny Knoxville, and this is "Freepin for Zot!")
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To: TLBSHOW
Regarding: "Death Cults"

I should have figured I would find you here TLB.

Look, I don't want to hurt your feelings or anything.. So don't take this personally. I do want you to think about it before answering.

But, did you ever think that maybe Osama is exploiting exactly the kind of hate and racial & religious tension that you express here daily?

He's looking for zealots to talk into helping wage a holy war. Wouldn't someone like you be a prime candidate for recruitment, if the shoe were on the other foot?

Wouldn't he see your religious fervor and tag you right away as someone he could sell on this whole notion of a "Holy war" between Islam and the West?

82 posted on 03/27/2003 1:24:37 PM PST by Jhoffa_ (Hi, I'm Johnny Knoxville, and this is "Freepin for Zot!")
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To: Jhoffa_
More Christian civilians have died in the southern Philippines, at the hands of an Islamic terrorist group that is about to restart preliminary peace talks with the government.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/877561/posts?page=
83 posted on 03/27/2003 1:35:13 PM PST by TLBSHOW
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To: TLBSHOW
Okay, now back to the zealot question..
84 posted on 03/27/2003 1:36:54 PM PST by Jhoffa_ (Hi, I'm Johnny Knoxville, and this is "Freepin for Zot!")
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To: Jhoffa_
islam is the enemy of christians and the jewish people in fact all humans....



The Muslim public-relations group CAIR—Council on American Islamic Relations—has a tough sell in post-9/11 America. But if its goal is simply to promote Islam as a "religion of peace" and to distance American Muslims from terrorism, why can't CAIR begin with a simple acknowledgment that the terrorist threat to America is real? Instead, CAIR's modus operandi has been to attack Christianity with the same, simplistic broad brush it claims is tarring Islam.http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/877539/posts?page=
85 posted on 03/27/2003 1:39:16 PM PST by TLBSHOW
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To: TLBSHOW
"The ultimate goal is that the entire world be under Islamic law."

This has been my understanding of Islam as well. Thanks for pinging me to a good read.

86 posted on 03/27/2003 1:41:50 PM PST by MizSterious ("The truth takes only seconds to tell."--Jack Straw)
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To: Prodigal Daughter; afraidfortherepublic; JohnHuang2; Budge; A Citizen Reporter; Polybius; DeSoto; ..
My apologies to anyone who's already been *pinged* to this thread.
87 posted on 03/27/2003 1:52:43 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez (The Ever So Humble Banana Republican)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Gracias, hermano
88 posted on 03/27/2003 2:00:14 PM PST by JohnHuang2
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Interesting. Thanks for the heads up!
89 posted on 03/27/2003 2:12:06 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Jhoffa_
Regarding: "Death Cults"


The nation has been invaded by a fanatical, murderous cult. And we welcome them. We are so good and so pure we would never engage in discriminatory racial or "religious" profiling.

People who want our country destroyed live here, work for our airlines, and are submitted to the exact same airport shakedown as a lumberman from Idaho. This would be like having the Wehrmacht immigrate to America and work for our airlines during World War II. Except the Wehrmacht was not so bloodthirsty.
http://www.anncoulter.org/columns/2001/091301.htm
90 posted on 03/27/2003 2:49:49 PM PST by TLBSHOW
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To: TLBSHOW
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91 posted on 03/27/2003 2:51:28 PM PST by Jhoffa_ (Hi, I'm Johnny Knoxville, and this is "Freepin for Zot!")
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To: Jhoffa_
open those closed eyes of yours please!
92 posted on 03/27/2003 2:56:12 PM PST by TLBSHOW
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To: TLBSHOW
TLB.

All I see is a guy manipulating people to gain power for himself.

And what I don't see is a wave of thousands of American Muslims committing acts of violence or otherwise following osama's lead.

93 posted on 03/27/2003 3:01:00 PM PST by Jhoffa_ (Hi, I'm Johnny Knoxville, and this is "Freepin for Zot!")
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To: freedomson
Allah is the adversary passing itself off as the true God, Adonai.

As long as there are great numbers of people 'worshiping' satan, there will be great trouble.

Amen and Amen

Full armor.

94 posted on 03/27/2003 3:16:32 PM PST by plsjr (. <>< .)
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To: Jhoffa_
Not yet you don't. They are working within the system here to take over the country and once they do if we are stupid enough to let them then watch out. They will slit your throat quicker than anything.
95 posted on 03/27/2003 3:18:47 PM PST by TLBSHOW
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To: TLBSHOW
Okay, and the answer to this is.. what?
96 posted on 03/27/2003 3:20:01 PM PST by Jhoffa_ (Hi, I'm Johnny Knoxville, and this is "Freepin for Zot!")
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Try this page:-

http://thespiritofislam.com/imk2.html

97 posted on 03/27/2003 3:32:31 PM PST by scouse
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Bump
98 posted on 03/27/2003 3:36:14 PM PST by Cacique
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To: TLBSHOW
Whatever it is, I bet a large portion of it involves oppressing innocent people, doesn't it?

God won't like that.

99 posted on 03/27/2003 3:36:16 PM PST by Jhoffa_ (Hi, I'm Johnny Knoxville, and this is "Freepin for Zot!")
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To: Jhoffa_
I will spell out what I would do.....

For the sake of national security the practice of Islam would be banned because it is a murder and terrorist cult, there is no protection of religion as they try to hide behind now. All islam centers would be closed. The Nation of Islam would be outlawed and Louie would be detained. All muslims in the military would be out. All muslims in our govt would be out. All muslims teaching our students would be out.

Cair and the AMC would be shut down.

If the war with Islam ends we can go back and decide what to do next.

This is a starting point.

I know you will say we are not at war with Islam, but we are at war with Islam and until we decide we are we can never win this fully. The whole world is at war with Islam.

As Ann said and she had it right on day 1...

The nation has been invaded by a fanatical, murderous cult. And we welcome them. We are so good and so pure we would never engage in discriminatory racial or "religious" profiling.

People who want our country destroyed live here, work for our airlines, and are submitted to the exact same airport shakedown as a lumberman from Idaho. This would be like having the Wehrmacht immigrate to America and work for our airlines during World War II. Except the Wehrmacht was not so bloodthirsty.

http://www.anncoulter.org/columns/2001/091301.htm

100 posted on 03/27/2003 3:40:46 PM PST by TLBSHOW
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