"Hopeless Alert Call from Brazil" [Nazi Socialism Out of Control in Brazil --A.L.]

Olavo de Carvalho ^ | 24MAR03 | Olavo de Carvalho

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Hopeless Alert Call from Brazil

by Olavo de Carvalho

http://www.olavodecarvalho.org

When I wrote that Brazilian people was being indoctrined into furious anti-American rage by local press, some readers said I was overstating my argument.

Now to the facts.

This poll was made last week among the readers of O Globo, one of the main Brazilian newspapers. The question was: 'Which of these three men is the more dangerous for mankind?' The answers were:

Saddam Hussein (7.31%);

Osama bin Laden (11.46%);

George Bush (81.23%).

So, I insist: (1) All Brazilian newspapers and TV channels are utterly anti-American. You can?t imagine the huge amount of pro-Saddam lies we have been reading and hearing here since the war started. (2) Even the Brazilian remaining right, specially among the military, is anti-American. (3) Brazilian government is closely associated to Colombian Farc, to Fidel Castro and to Hugo Chávez. Its seemingly moderate behaviour in economy matters is no more than a diversionist tactics adopted in order to gain time while the creation of a revolutionary police state is being carefully prepared. (4) Your Ambassador here does absolutely nothing to fight anti-American lies and she even gave the leftwing candidate Lula a generous helping hand in 2002 elections, saying to the press he was 'the incarnation of the American dream?' (so was also the poor indian boy Hugo Chávez, I presume). (5) It's really dangerous, both professionally and physically, to be pro-American in Brazil.

If American conservatives don't take consciousness of the present state of things in Brazil, some sort of Latin-American Saddam Hussein will rise against them very soon.

[Petronski]

Political currents had changed substantially between those two events, and von Seekt was equipped more than most to read those currents. Plus, the Putsch was planned poorly and naively, with critical errors made throughout. Von Seekt was first and foremost covering himself and preserving his position.

As for your last statement regarding Hitler's definition of Nazism, I'd like very much to see a citation and quote.

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[Tailgunner Joe]

Hitler didn't have the support of the right before the Night of the Long Knives. This event was very much like Stalin ousting the Trotskyites.

[Petronski]

Hitler didn't have the support of the right before the Night of the Long Knives.

Industrialists funded most of his campaigns 1929-1933.

[Tailgunner Joe]

"Capitalists" maybe, but "conservatives"?

There were "capitalists" who funded Soviet Socialism too.

[Tailgunner Joe]

Excerpted from Hitler's Table Talk 1941-1944 Enigma Books, 2000, pg.335

It will be one of National Socialism's merits that it knew how to stop the revolution at the proper moment. It's very nice to see the people arise, but one must be a realist and go further than phrases. Nobody any longer counts the revolutions that have miscarried, or that degenerated for lack of being led. I've not forgotten the difficulties I had to overcome in 1933 and 1934. Revolution opens a sluice-gate, and it's often impossible to curb the masses on has let loose.

A revolution has three main objectives. First of all, it's a matter of breaking down the partitions between classes, so as to enable every man to rise. Secondly, it's a matter of creating a standard of living such that the poorest will be assured of a decent existence. Finally, it's a matter of acting in such a way that the benefits of civilization become common property. - 26th February 1942

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Sounds like Socialism to me!

[Petronski]

Sounds like Socialism to me!

Excellent.

But I said Nazism was function of the right wing in 1920s-40s Germany, not here and now.

Do you wish to define terms then or now?

[Tailgunner Joe]

Right and left are relative. Nazis may have been right compared to red commies, but that's not saying much, is it? They were certainly not "conservative" by any definition.

The problem is that the left identifies American conservatives as very similar to Nazis, using the same broad brush that they used to label Nationalist Socialists as "right."

The truth is that Nazism had far more in common with Bolshevism than it has with American conservatism

[Maimonides]

I don't know about documentation. As far as McCarthy I don't want to change horses here. That's another discussion. Nazis are right wingers that is a fact. Does not say anything about the right. It's just where they stand in the ideological spectrum. I'm sorry it bothers you that Nazis are right wingers. That does not say anything about conservatives. Fascism is a right wing ideology. I'd encourage you to read on it. This is a established fact. I will no longer even attempt to put forward any arguments because this is an established truth. I'm sorry it bothers you. I'd encourage you to read.

[Maimonides]

Look. They did not condemn capitalism. Specially since Germany had a huge capitalist industrial complex. As a matter of fact their charge was the opposite. It was rather that Marx was a Jew and that Jews besides killing Christ had also invented communism. Fascism is fascism. Do you not believe that capitalism has its authoritarian version in fascism? That fascist are right wingers is an established fact. I won't waste my breath anymore on this. Please read, rather than relying on your personal opinion.

[Maimonides]

"In my book, yes, it most surely does.
The democratic party of the U.S. are all socialist left wingers"

Look these inflammatory statements are just misguided. There are several multimillionaires in the democratic party. You think they want a socialist system where the state will take their, property and money away, their factories. I don't think so. So get informed and understand that your statement is just as absurd as the statements of the radical nuts on the other side that call George W. a fascist.

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[ This is a established fact. I will no longer even attempt to put forward any arguments because this is an established truth. I'm sorry it bothers you. I'd encourage you to read.]

"The problem with our liberal friends, is not that they know so much, but that they know so much that isn't so." - Ronald Reagan

[DefCon]

"...So get informed and understand that your statement is just as absurd as the statements of the radical nuts on the other side that call George W. a fascist..."
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Get informed of this, Newbie:
I believe ALL democrats are socialists.
And I believe you need to eat my shorts.

[SauronOfMordor]

If your entire definition of left wing vs. right wing rests solely on distinctions between nationalism vs. internationalism, then you might be able to make a case. Unfortunately, while that -is- true to a -small- extent, that is not the -primary- definition held to by 99% of the population. Most people perceive the left-right spectrum to range from socialism on the left to capitalism on the right. That puts Hitler firmly on the Left.

To a large extent in the 20th Century, "Left" has been taken to mean "supporting Soviet communism" and "Right" was a catch-all for everybody opposing Soviet Communism. Thus you see the ridiculous situation of Nazi's and Libertarians being equally "radical Right".

[Maimonides]

"Get informed of this, Newbie:
I believe ALL democrats are socialists.
And I believe you need to eat my shorts"
Defcon

What can I say? Not much of a statement there. I guess no rational arguments left just name calling. I will let your quote speak for itself testifying to who you are. Your own words condemn you.

[DefCon]

"...I will let your quote speak for itself testifying to who you are..."
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Whats up with you, newbie?
Do you think I am embarrassed by what I said?
I said what I meant, and I meant what I said.

Here, let me say it again.
I believe ALL democrats are socialists.
And I believe you need to eat my shorts.

Shall I shout it from the rooftops?
Go somewhere else (D.U.?) if you don't like it.

[Navy Patriot]

By the way Nazis are a right wing group while Socialism is left wing.

This is Communist disinformation that they have sucessfully pushed for years. Nazism IS socialism, pay attention to the name: The National Socialist party. While you are correct that Nazis and Commies are enemies, it is because each group wants to be THE socialists that steal all the wealth and have an orgy of execution (genocide) and they each must eliminate the other to accomplish their goal.

[Petronski]

Incorrect. You are not in agreement with Hitler...

Revise history as you like. He was right wing as right wing was defined in Germany at the time.