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To: Tailgunner Joe
Look. They did not condemn capitalism. Specially since Germany had a huge capitalist industrial complex. As a matter of fact their charge was the opposite. It was rather that Marx was a Jew and that Jews besides killing Christ had also invented communism. Fascism is fascism. Do you not believe that capitalism has its authoritarian version in fascism? That fascist are right wingers is an established fact. I won't waste my breath anymore on this. Please read, rather than relying on your personal opinion.
50 posted on 05/07/2004 12:18:20 PM PDT by Maimonides
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To: Maimonides; Petronski
Do you not believe that capitalism has its authoritarian version in fascism?

A fascist economy is controlled by the state. The economy is nationalized and ultimately private property can be taken by the state at any time. This is not Free Enterprise. "Capitalism" is a communist term anyway.

"We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions." --Adolf Hitler (Speech of May 1, 1927. Quoted by Toland, 1976, p. 306)

"Against individualism, the Fascist conception is for the State; and it is for the individual in so far as he coincides with the State, which is the conscience and universal will of man in his historical existence...for the Fascist, everything is in the State, and nothing human or spiritual exists, much less has value,-outside the State." - Benito Mussolini - 1932.

The Mystery of Fascism - David Ramsay Steele - "Leftists often imagine that Fascists were afraid of a revolutionary working-class. Nothing could be more comically mistaken. Most of the early Fascist leaders had spent years trying to get the workers to become revolutionary. As late as June 1914, Mussolini took part enthusiastically, at risk of his own life and limb, in the violent and confrontational "red week." The initiators of Fascism were mostly seasoned anti-capitalist militants who had time and again given the working class the benefit of the doubt."

The Socialist Calumny Against the Jews

The Marxians are not prepared to admit that the Nazis are socialists too. In their eyes Nazism is the worst of all evils of capital­ism. On the other hand, the Nazis describe the Russian system as the meanest of all types of capitalist exploitation and as a devilish machination of World Jewry for the domination of the gentiles. Yet it is clear that both systems, the German and the Russian, must be considered from an economic point of view as socialist. And it is only the economic point of view that matters in debating whether or not a party or system is socialist. Socialism is and has always been considered a system of economic organization of society. It is the system under which the government has full control of production and distribution. As far as socialism existing merely within indi­vidual countries can be called genuine, both Russia and Germany are right in calling their systems socialist.

...The Nazis do not reject Marxism because it aims at socialism but because, as they say, it advocates internationalism. ...What the Nazis really have in mind when indicting the Jewish mind for internationalism is the liberal theory of free trade and the mutual advantages of international division of labor. The Jews, they say, want to corrupt the innate Aryan spirit of heroism by the fallacious doctrines of the advantages of peace. ...Finally, the Nazis call the business mentality Jewish. Tacitus informs us that the German tribes of his day considered it clumsy and shameful to acquire with sweat what could be won by blood­shed.

The Socialist Roots of Nazism - Friedrich A. Hayek

The doctrines which had guided the ruling elements in Germany for the past generation were opposed not to the socialism in Marxism but to the liberal elements contained in it, its internationalism and its democracy. And as it became increasingly clear that it was just these elements which formed obstacles to the realization of socialism, the socialists of the Left approached more and more to those of the Right. It was the union of the anticapitalist forces of the Right and of the Left, the fusion of radical and conservative socialism, which drove out from Germany everything that was liberal.The connection between socialism and nationalism in Germany was close from the beginning. It is significant that the most important ancestors of National Socialism-Fichte, Robertus, and Lassalle-are at the same time acknowledged fathers of socialism. ...The "German idea of the state," as formulated by Fichte, Lassalle, and Rodbertis, is that the state is neither founded nor formed by individuals, nor an aggregate of individuals, nor is its purpose to serve any interest of individuals. It is a Volksgemeinschaft in which the individual has no rights but only duties. Claims of the individual are always an outcome of the commercial spirit.

91 posted on 05/16/2004 1:10:17 AM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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