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Azores Press Conference LIVE THREAD
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Posted on 03/16/2003 10:21:48 AM PST by Amelia

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To: MeeknMing; GLDNGUN
Here is what GLDNGUN posted...

While most are aware by now that President Bush, British Prime Minister Tony Blair and Spanish Prime Minister Jose Maria Aznar will confer Sunday in the Azores, it seems just as many do not realize the weight of this meeting. This truly is a “war council”. A “little birdy” informed me days ago of this gathering, long before it was mentioned publicly. I was told that there would be a summit of the “Big 3” at a “neutral site”, meaning not in the US, GB, or Spain, but likely on an island in the Atlantic belonging to a friendly ally. While this meeting is described as being “hastily arranged”, it has actually been in the planning for some time. Once it became clear that the US and the “willing coalition” would be the liberating force it was decided that the “Big 3” should meet in person for several reasons.

While, the situation is still fluid here is some background and likely summit scenario. It’s being reported that “topping the agenda will be strategies for salvaging the trio's troubled war resolution at the United Nations.” Actually, the UN aspect is for all intents and purposes DEAD. As most are aware, it was Blair, and to a lesser extent, Aznar, that wanted another UN resolution so desperately. Bush agreed in order to assist his friends, both foreign (UK, Spain) and domestic (doves like Powell). To show just how far he was willing to go for them, Bush made his press conference statement that there would be a UN vote, period. The problem was that Blair had underestimated the French resolve to undermine the “coalition of the willing”. It finally became apparent to him that Chirac would oppose ANY reasonable resolution. This has angered Blair to no end, and he believes that Chirac is trying to end his political career in order to become the “the voice” of the EU and elevate France’s stature. Chirac believes he has Blair trapped, thinking Tony can’t or won’t go to war without another UN resolution. On the other hand, Chirac simply will not agree to any reasonable resolution, while trying to appear that they are open to new proposals. They are not, so he believes he has Blair in a box.

The one thing worse for Blair than going to war without another UN resolution would be going to war after a UN resolution failed to pass, thus the same man who urged Bush to back another resolution is now urging him to abandon his call for a vote. Blair, however, feels he still needs to bring some “international legitimacy” to going to war. A comment made by Bush’s press secretary a few days ago was passed over by the press, but the words were loaded. Ari said “an international coalition WILL disarm Iraq. It may not be the UN, but there will be an international coalition that acts.” What was missed there by the press is that those are more than mere words. Expect those words to become official policy at the Sunday meeting. Again, barring some dramatic developments, this coalition will be made official. It will likely be given a name and have the signatures of the “Big 3” and may be co-signed by several other countries either at the same time, or in the next few days/weeks. This is all to give this alliance as much “legitimacy” as possible, mostly for Blair’s sake. Now, at the same time this new organization is being given legitimacy, it is equally as important for them to discredit the UN. The latter will be given as the reason why another resolution will not be ultimately pursued in the UN. This is an end-around Chirac and his little game, and will be a mighty blow to the UN, at least to the Security Council.

At the end of the summit, these announcements will be made and the “Big 3” will each give statements. The concerted message will be: Iraq has missed its last chance to be disarmed peacefully, the UN, especially the SC, has been so poisoned by the “charade” (look for Bush and Blair to both use that word for obvious reasons) that it is has NO legitimate role, a new organization has been formed of those that will participate in some fashion or another in the liberation and rebuilding of Iraq. They will then give a deadline of 3-7 days for Saddam to surrender, leave the country, or prepare to be disarmed by the coalition. This will also be the signal for all non-Iraqis to get out of the country.

This will be the closest thing to a “declaration of war” as we are going to see. The “Big 3” will make this announcement jointly, then return to their respective nations to speak to their countries. Bush will likely address the nation on Monday evening saying something to the effect of “this is the day we had hoped to have a unified UN live up to their previous obligations, but they have failed to do so, and we have been left with no choice but to act in concert with a new organization that is determined to finish this…”

Of course there will be many questions about whether these countries are pulling out of the UN. No, they won’t be pulling out, but the company line will be “the UN failed to act this time. Hopefully, next time they will be up to the task”. In reality, the UN may simply wither on the vine and eventually die. None of the countries wants to be seen as the one who put the stake into the heart of the UN. They would rather have history record that the UN Security Council, corrupted by nations such as France and Russia only interested in preserving illegal agreements with Iraq, ultimately killed the monster through their actions or lack thereof.

The press is billing this as a diplomatic summit, and that leaders will not discuss battlefield tactics and detailed military strategies. This is true, in that most of the “diplomacy” will be among the coalition of the willing and the crafting of this new organization. No, there won’t be much “battlefield” talk as those preparations are done for the most part, minus the finetuning.

Another important reason for this summit is to give the “big 3” equal billing. Blair and Aznar did not want to be put in a situation where Bush, sitting in the Oval Office, addressed the nation and the world announcing the ultimatum to Iraq, making it look like he was pulling all the strings and that they were just along for the ride. This way, they make the major announcement jointly and then return to their homelands to address their respective countries. Again, I stress this is a fluid situation that is subject to change due to unforeseen circumstances, but barring some dramatic move by France or Iraq this is the likely scenario from where I sit.

How the war is likely to play out is another story entirely, but it is expected to surprise most people due to its shortness of duration and relative little bloodshed. Most of the dirty work may actually be done BY the Iraqi military as they take care of Saddam themselves…

1 posted on 03/14/2003 8:47 PM EST by GLDNGUN [ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies | Report Abuse ]

941 posted on 03/16/2003 2:32:49 PM PST by Dog ( Groundhog Day II -- the Sequel.....America held hostage by the UN.......where everyday is the same)
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To: the Deejay; AF68
It looks like Willie the Wanker is going to need a lot of urine deflectors around his final resting spot.

I have a harsher name for him but can't use it on the board. Get my meaning? LOL!

'i42' says it all for me since the events leading up to his impeachment sum up his 'legacy'.

942 posted on 03/16/2003 2:34:18 PM PST by LisaFab (Free Miguel Estrada!)
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To: the Deejay
Tick! Tick! Tick !
943 posted on 03/16/2003 2:35:46 PM PST by MeekOneGOP (Bu-bye Saddam! / Check out my Freeper site !: http://home.attbi.com/~freeper/wsb/index.html)
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To: Dog; Scott from the Left Coast
I am just sick of our President groveling for votes. So if I hurt any feelings I am very sorry...

No hurt feelings.

Exasperation at characterizations such as the above about the president "groveling", or thinking the Azores trip really was to talk about going before the UN again.

Scott is right, the UN can join us tomorrow by passing an *acceptable* resolution that comports with the aims of the Atlantic Alliance. If they don't, that's it.

To me it was patently obvious as soon as the Azores trip was announced that the UN gig was up.

944 posted on 03/16/2003 2:35:50 PM PST by cyncooper (God Be With President Bush, PM Blair, PM Aznar, and PM Howard.)
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Coalition of the Willing

945 posted on 03/16/2003 2:37:53 PM PST by swheats
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To: cyncooper
This looks like a good name...

the Atlantic Alliance.

946 posted on 03/16/2003 2:38:22 PM PST by Dog ( Groundhog Day II -- the Sequel.....America held hostage by the UN.......where everyday is the same)
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To: RummyChick
It was a foreign reporter that I am sorry to say, it happened so fast, the poor idiot probably high tailed it out of there... but the best part was when President Bush calmed completely, turned to Prime Minister Blair and said, "sorry, please continue" or something like continue...
Most likely, Rush or Hannity or O'Reily will have it replayed, cuz IT WAS GREAT!!! ;)
947 posted on 03/16/2003 2:38:32 PM PST by Terridan
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To: Dog
Yes, but he had them proposing a new organization based on the "coalition of the willing" right away that would usurp the do-nothing U.N. in side-by-side competition.

It's that part that he overstated. But I think he had the outline's of the action pretty close -- one more chance for the U.N. and a quick ultimatum to Saddam (that I think we're going to get Tuesday). He had Blair coming out firm pegged pretty well, as Blair was definitely firm today -- he laid on a few hits that were harder than Bush did (at first, but later in the questioning Bush damn near went nuclear, his rage was barely contained).

The next test of GLDNGUN will be if Blair and Bush both make mirror ultimatum statements on Tuesday. He did get a chunk of this right -- but the U.N. appears not to be in danger of replacement yet (depends on how berserk France goes now, I guess).

948 posted on 03/16/2003 2:39:11 PM PST by Scott from the Left Coast
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To: swheats
Don't forget New Europe and the Aussies..
949 posted on 03/16/2003 2:39:13 PM PST by Dog ( Groundhog Day II -- the Sequel.....America held hostage by the UN.......where everyday is the same)
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To: Dog
Hopefully they'll give a photo op. Viewing now what Netscape has.
950 posted on 03/16/2003 2:40:13 PM PST by swheats
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To: Scott from the Left Coast
Scott I know I should notbe reading the stuff at DEBKA....but they are saying the shooting starts tomorrow night....after this deadline expires..
951 posted on 03/16/2003 2:41:17 PM PST by Dog ( Groundhog Day II -- the Sequel.....America held hostage by the UN.......where everyday is the same)
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To: Scott from the Left Coast
at first, but later in the questioning Bush damn near went nuclear, his rage was barely contained)

On who??.

952 posted on 03/16/2003 2:42:36 PM PST by Dog ( Groundhog Day II -- the Sequel.....America held hostage by the UN.......where everyday is the same)
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To: deport
LOL! Just now saw you flagging me about Kristol. Kristol was certain that Bush wouldn't go to war and therefore pushed that option. Now that we ARE going to war, he is out on a limb. (It also helps that Rupert Murdoch funded his magazine.)

Kristol doesn't like the President, really, but he is constrained from criticizing because of his past statements. I am content that he is on board for now. However, once Iraq has fallen, I will again be on guard.

953 posted on 03/16/2003 2:43:05 PM PST by Miss Marple
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To: Dog; GLDNGUN
IMO.......The TransAtlantic Alliance (this name was referred to by all 3) meets the 'new group' referred to by GLDNGUN. I did NOT get the impression that this was some permanent group.

The reference by President Bush to the U.N. playing a role AFTER the fact, in a humanitarian and support role, in order to "regain their 'responsibility' legs, I thought showed the group's opinion of the U.N. to date.

I did not expect the group to come out with a statement that the U.N. is irrelevant today...and into the future. I did read, from the comments, that this group views the U.N.'s role in the future as being more of a support role.

The irrelevancy of the U.N. was intimated....but never expressly stated, imo.

President Bush was the only one, IRRC, that specifically named the French as being obstructionist.
954 posted on 03/16/2003 2:43:17 PM PST by justshe (FREE MIGUEL !)
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To: swheats
And with that image (thank you!) I am going to put a movie on or something. We are going to be glued to Fox and FR over the next days and we better rest up.
955 posted on 03/16/2003 2:45:33 PM PST by cyncooper (God Be With President Bush, PM Blair, PM Aznar, and PM Howard.)
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To: Dog
You shouldn't be reading DEBKA, you know this.

They're going to give the U.N. inspectors and other (media) in the country a chance to get out. I'm saying Friday night (Baghdad time) the balloon goes up.

956 posted on 03/16/2003 2:45:44 PM PST by Scott from the Left Coast
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To: MeeknMing
Saddam Insane said he will declare war on the entire world. (He didn't say, "Excluding, France, Russia and Germany" though!) LOL!
957 posted on 03/16/2003 2:48:01 PM PST by the Deejay
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To: Dog
The reporter (British, I think, who asked the final question of the four questions). More than just the reporter, Bush's rage was probably best described as aimed toward France. He started going off on them and stopped, stuttering a bit as he got his verbal legs, realizing he was about to call France out in some very Texas-saloon terms. He covered it, somewhat, but it was obvious he thought this one-day of "phone calls" and U.N. discussions was complete B.S. (and that France had made it B.S.).
958 posted on 03/16/2003 2:49:22 PM PST by Scott from the Left Coast
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To: Gritty
Griitty,

You & me pal, the day he goes is the day we start lookin'
959 posted on 03/16/2003 2:49:36 PM PST by The SISU kid
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To: yall
Here is the A/P article on this on an FR thread (post #56):

Bush: Monday 'moment of truth' for world
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/866130/posts?page=56#56

960 posted on 03/16/2003 2:51:03 PM PST by MeekOneGOP (Bu-bye Saddam! / Check out my Freeper site !: http://home.attbi.com/~freeper/wsb/index.html)
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