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The Lowdown on the Showdown

Posted on 03/14/2003 5:47:33 PM PST by GLDNGUN

While most are aware by now that President Bush, British Prime Minister Tony Blair and Spanish Prime Minister Jose Maria Aznar will confer Sunday in the Azores, it seems just as many do not realize the weight of this meeting. This truly is a “war council”...


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KEYWORDS: appeasement; aznar; azoresislands; blair; bush; iraq; peaceinourtime; war
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To: Sabertooth; GLDNGUN; Travis McGee; MadIvan
Peace for our time

by Allistair Cooke

I suppose the day that changed my life was the day I had a letter from the foundation of one Edward S Harkness, an American tycoon who had given his fortune over to good works, mostly medical research. Shortly after the First World War he noticed that a whole generation of young Americans were going off to study at European universities.

Now Mr Harkness knew, as perhaps few of his kind did, that America too had universities that were leaders in particular fields.

He therefore invented a reverse fellowship - 25 fellowships - to be awarded to graduate students of British and Empire universities to study in America.

In the spring of 1932 I found myself one of the lucky 25 and I was launched, I must say, on the most generous fellowship for two years' study in the United States. The letter I received contained a booklet with some such title as Living and Travelling in the United States. It contained three items of advice which I thought, at the time, slightly comical but came to see were a godsend to any newcomer to the New World.

First, it told us gently but firmly something that you still have to tell visiting Englishmen of any age and education - buy lightweight suits and shirts for indoor wear in winter, as well as summer and buy one heavy outer winter top coat if you're going to a Northern or a Midwestern state.

I ignored this in my first weeks at Yale, till I found myself, like the visitors I'd just mocked, Englishmen in horsehair tweeds cursing the steam heat - what they called after the French "central heating" - and trying to force obstinate windows - an irritable gesture that, by the way, gave Winston Churchill his first heart attack on American soil - on any soil, come to think of it.

The second caution was more comical still.

You were obliged by the terms of accepting this fellowship to buy a second-hand car, which I did, for $45, and drive round the United States on your summer holiday. The booklet warned you to be sure before you put any clothes away for the summer to see that they were encased in plastic bags full of menthol balls or spray. This seemed an unnecessary nicety.

But it said that failure to do so would expose your clothes to the ravages of the Buffalo moth - a predator unknown in England.

I paid no attention. But back in Connecticut at the end of September I found my hung clothes in shreds - thanks to the visits of the said Buffalo moth.

The third item was a startler. When you're driving across country don't give a lift to any female trying to hitch a ride just before you cross a state border.

There was something called the Mann Act, passed by Congress in 1910, which prohibited "the transportation of females across state borders for immoral purposes".

Were they kidding? They were not. We'll go into that a little later.

I promised to lay off topic A - Iraq - until the Security Council makes a judgement on the inspectors' report and I shall keep that promise.

But I must tell you that throughout the past fortnight I've listened to everybody involved in or looking on to a monotonous din of words, like a tide crashing and receding on a beach - making a great noise and saying the same thing over and over.

And this ordeal triggered a nightmare - a day-mare, if you like.

Through the ceaseless tide I heard a voice, a very English voice of an old man - Prime Minister Chamberlain saying: "I believe it is peace for our time" - a sentence that prompted a huge cheer, first from a listening street crowd and then from the House of Commons and next day from every newspaper in the land.

There was a move to urge that Mr Chamberlain should receive the Nobel Peace Prize.

In Parliament there was one unfamiliar old grumbler to growl out: "I believe we have suffered a total and unmitigated defeat."

He was, in view of the general sentiment, very properly booed down.

This scene concluded in the autumn of 1938 the British prime minister's effectual signing away of most of Czechoslovakia to Hitler.

The rest of it, within months, Hitler walked in and conquered.

"Oh dear," said Mr Chamberlain, thunderstruck. "He has betrayed my trust."

During the last fortnight a simple but startling thought occurred to me - every single official, diplomat, president, prime minister involved in the Iraq debate was in 1938 a toddler, most of them unborn. So the dreadful scene I've just drawn will not have been remembered by most listeners.

Hitler had started betraying our trust not 12 years but only two years before, when he broke the First World War peace treaty by occupying the demilitarised zone of the Rhineland.

Only half his troops carried one reload of ammunition because Hitler knew that French morale was too low to confront any war just then and 10 million of 11 million British voters had signed a so-called peace ballot. It stated no conditions, elaborated no terms, it simply counted the numbers of Britons who were "for peace". The slogan of this movement was "Against war and fascism" - chanted at the time by every Labour man and Liberal and many moderate Conservatives - a slogan that now sounds as imbecilic as "against hospitals and disease".

In blunter words a majority of Britons would do anything, absolutely anything, to get rid of Hitler except fight him. At that time the word pre-emptive had not been invented, though today it's a catchword.

After all the Rhineland was what it said it was - part of Germany. So to march in and throw Hitler out would have been pre-emptive - wouldn't it?

Nobody did anything and Hitler looked forward with confidence to gobbling up the rest of Western Europe country by country - "course by course", as growler Churchill put it.

I bring up Munich and the mid-30s because I was fully grown, on the verge of 30, and knew we were indeed living in the age of anxiety.

And so many of the arguments mounted against each other today, in the last fortnight, are exactly what we heard in the House of Commons debates and read in the French press. The French especially urged, after every Hitler invasion, "negotiation, negotiation".

They negotiated so successfully as to have their whole country defeated and occupied.

But as one famous French leftist said: "We did anyway manage to make them declare Paris an open city - no bombs on us!"

In Britain the general response to every Hitler advance was disarmament and collective security.

Collective security meant to leave every crisis to the League of Nations. It would put down aggressors, even though, like the United Nations, it had no army, navy or air force.

The League of Nations had its chance to prove itself when Mussolini invaded and conquered Ethiopia (Abyssinia). The League didn't have any shot to fire. But still the cry was chanted in the House of Commons - the League and collective security is the only true guarantee of peace. But after the Rhineland the maverick Churchill decided there was no collectivity in collective security and started a highly unpopular campaign for rearmament by Britain, warning against the general belief that Hitler had already built an enormous mechanised army and superior air force.

But he's not used them, he's not used them - people protested.

Still for two years before the outbreak of the Second War you could read the debates in the House of Commons and now shiver at the famous Labour men - Major Attlee was one of them - who voted against rearmament and still went on pointing to the League of Nations as the saviour.

Now, this memory of mine may be totally irrelevant to the present crisis. It haunts me.

I have to say I have written elsewhere with much conviction that most historical analogies are false because, however strikingly similar a new situation may be to an old one, there's usually one element that is different and it turns out to be the crucial one.

It may well be so here. All I know is that all the voices of the 30s are echoing through 2003.

About that third caution to innocent arriving students - Do not pick up females hitching a ride close by a state border! If you drive them into a new state you could be arrested under the Mann Act for "Interstate transportation of the female for immoral purposes".

No fellow I heard of ever reached the state of prosecution and whenever I saw a sign announcing, say, "State of Kansas two miles ahead", I made a point of stepping on the gas. I thought, until a couple of days ago, that the ludicrous Mann Act had been long repealed, apparently not so. A young, very pretty woman in Louisiana, only half a dozen years ago, got caught by it.

She was a prostitute with a shrewd business sense and in no time turned into a successful and then very prosperous, upper crust madam, and in boisterous Louisiana, much admired madam.

She had 80 girls in her service when she made the mistake of extending her business to neighbouring states - Alabama, Mississippi - eventually a telephone service in Washington. Now there is, as you know, no national police force in America but for any crime that involves crossing a state border that's when the FBI is allowed to step in.

They stepped into the lush life of Sylvia Landry and sentenced her to six years in jail.

An old restaurant owner in Baton Rouge, the state capital - where she'd serviced so many politicians, lawyers, doctors, businessmen, judges - he said: "It's outrageous. What a scandal. Six years for something that's been going on since Adam and Eve and the beginning of time!"


221 posted on 03/15/2003 10:42:22 AM PST by ppaul
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To: ken5050
Re: Gibraltar

Perhaps, I don't know. But I do think that this has more to do with U.S.-Spanish relations that GB-Spanish relations. We're leading this effort.

Actually, I prefer to think that Aznar is doing this out of conviction, rather than some concession.
222 posted on 03/15/2003 10:42:32 AM PST by Cap Huff
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To: Amelia
I've noticed that the First Cavalry and the 2nd Armored Cavarly Regiment both got their alert orders rather late in the game. I don't think they're going to Central Command at all. I think that they're going to the Pacific coast for possible deployment to Korea.

I think this is possible. I posted:

"Guard unit leaves SB armory, may go to Korea By RICK McLAUGHLIN, Staff Writer SAN BERNARDINO … A local National Guard unit that has trained for Korean warfare and has a connection with an Army division in South Korea has been sent to a Central California base to prepare for possible deployment.

Several hundred soldiers of the 1st Battalion, 185th Armor Task Force left their armory on Third Street in San Bernardino on Tuesday and Wednesday for the National Guard's Camp Roberts training center north of Paso Robles."

223 posted on 03/15/2003 10:42:41 AM PST by olinr
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To: Cap Huff
I didn't mean to denigrate the Spanish action. It's wonderful what the Spanish are doing...they recognize very well the threat posed by Islam to European civilization.....but the issue of Gilbratar really rankles the Spanish...and the two countries almost came to blows last year.....GB would probably return Gib to Spain..I mean we gave the Canal back to Panama....but they had a plebiscite in 2000, and something like 98% of Gilbratans voted to stay with GB......it'd be hard to ignore that kind of self-determination statistics.....so I was just wondering if an accomodation has been reached...maybe dual-soverignity/citizenship?...
224 posted on 03/15/2003 10:48:05 AM PST by ken5050
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To: woodyinscc
The French did do some small scale actions in N.A. then. Morocco -- which makes sense. The Frogs have been traitorous bastards for a long time.
225 posted on 03/15/2003 10:57:16 AM PST by Scott from the Left Coast
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To: ken5050
I also think it is wonderful what the Spanish are doing.
226 posted on 03/15/2003 10:58:16 AM PST by Cap Huff
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To: Cap Huff
bttt
227 posted on 03/15/2003 11:26:50 AM PST by Cap Huff
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To: Jim Noble
very nice... thank you.
228 posted on 03/15/2003 11:26:51 AM PST by Robert_Paulson2
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To: GLDNGUN
I agree with most of what you have said with the exception that Blair has gone wobbly this week and now it is being talked about by the Administration. Blair would have done anything to get the 2nd resolution passed and did by rewriting, rewriting, putting in the benchmarks, changing the date, etc., and then getting mad when the US wouldn't sign on.

This meeting in the Azores I believe is for all intents and purposes a war meeting and at that time Tony Blair will get a chance to stand up and be counted with the President or be released of having to make a decision. We have who I believe is one mad President and he is not in any mood for continued negotiation on something like a 2nd resolution that is a waste of time and hot air!

This is from another article about the meeting tomorrow and pretty much sums up what I think:

The Azores summit is billed by the three allies as the "final pursuit" of a UN resolution, but the view from Washington is that diplomacy has failed and it is time for Tony Blair, the UK prime minister, to cut his losses and prepare for war on Iraq without the full legal cover he had sought.

"We are looking for closure. The UK is looking for cover," was how one senior Bush administration official summed up the difference in approach to the UN that is putting a strain on Mr Bush's "coalition of the willing". Mr Bush, he said, had decided on the night of his press conference on March 6 that the time had come to settle the matter, saying the US would call on Security Council members to "put their cards on the table".

Since then, the president has let the timetable slip and the pressure is on Mr Blair to decide whether he wants to put the proposed resolution to a vote.

"I have no pity for Blair," the senior official commented, saying the prime minister had exhibited a weakness in dealing with the UN issue that had encouraged senior members of his party, such as Clare Short, to revolt.

From: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/865443/posts?page=2
229 posted on 03/15/2003 11:28:26 AM PST by PhiKapMom (Get the US out of the UN and the UN out of the US)
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To: Robert_Paulson2
Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph. What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly: it is dearness only that gives every thing its value. Heaven knows how to put a proper price upon its goods; and it would be strange indeed if so celestial an article as FREEDOM should not be highly rated-The American Crisis, 1776.

They are right to fear us. We are their worst nightmare.

230 posted on 03/15/2003 11:50:17 AM PST by Jim Noble
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To: Grampa Dave
And the list of alternative, and often finer products and services?
say for tires,
or "sparkling wines"
or "makeup"

michelin tires are perceived as pretty good... what say we for yokohamas? or other brands that might be BETTER... andthat goes for the whole anti french list.

I think it is fun to go into a store and say... well the michelins are nice, but they are french... I prefer an American manufacturer, or a non-France aligned one.

Support our allies...
Buy Spanish wines... or California wines...
they often taste better but cost less...
231 posted on 03/15/2003 11:53:32 AM PST by Robert_Paulson2
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Ambrose Bierce:

WAR, n.
A by-product of the arts of peace. The most menacing political condition is a period of international amity. The student of history who has not been taught to expect the unexpected may justly boast himself inaccessible to the light. "In time of peace prepare for war" has a deeper meaning than is commonly discerned; it means, not merely that all things earthly have an end -- that change is the one immutable and eternal law -- but that the soil of peace is thickly sown with the seeds of war and singularly suited to their germination and growth. It was when Kubla Khan had decreed his "stately pleasure dome" -- when, that is to say, there were peace and fat feasting in Xanadu -- that he

heard from afar
Ancestral voices prophesying war.

One of the greatest of poets, Coleridge was one of the wisest of men, and it was not for nothing that he read us this parable. Let us have a little less of "hands across the sea," and a little more of that elemental distrust that is the security of nations. War loves to come like a thief in the night; professions of eternal amity provide the night.
232 posted on 03/15/2003 11:54:05 AM PST by Roscoe
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To: PhiKapMom
I won't disagree that Blair is having a hard time. As I said, he is trying to find the best possible way of telling his government and country that this war is "legitimate", whether that be to simply say the previous UN resolutions authorize force, or to say a new coalition has the authority.
233 posted on 03/15/2003 11:56:17 AM PST by GLDNGUN
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To: Robert_Paulson2
Sounds good!

Why don't you and someone else do the alternative list.

I have felt for decades that California Wines are as good if not superior to most French wines at a better price.

We have excellent bottled waters bottled in many states. No need for their expensive bottle waters.

There have to be good American bourbons.

Sony tvs instead of RCA's.

I believe that Remingtons are still made in America. My sons and I own a lot of Remingtons, and they are superb guns.
234 posted on 03/15/2003 12:00:15 PM PST by Grampa Dave (Stamp out Freepathons! Stop being a Freep Loader! Become a monthly donor!)
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To: Sabertooth
Thanks for the ping Sabertooth
235 posted on 03/15/2003 12:05:23 PM PST by abigail2
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To: Grampa Dave
Soap and water as a substitute for "parfum"?
236 posted on 03/15/2003 12:07:49 PM PST by Roscoe
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To: GLDNGUN
Excellent analysis! In 24 hours or so, we'll be listening to the press conference......
237 posted on 03/15/2003 12:11:32 PM PST by Alas Babylon!
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To: ken5050; GLDNGUN
Thank you. I never was a big fan of Tony Blair, but I am very impressed with his well reasoned and well expressed support on the War on Terror. He has shown to be a man of backbone and mind and heart. I really liked THIS speech he made a short time ago !

Tony Blair: The price of my conviction

Excerpt:

But there are also consequences of 'stop the war'. There will be no march for the victims of Saddam, no protests about the thousands of children that die needlessly every year under his rule, no righteous anger over the torture chambers which if he is left in power, will remain in being.

I rejoice that we live in a country where peaceful protest is a natural part of our democratic process. But I ask the marchers to understand this.

I do not seek unpopularity as a badge of honour. But sometimes it is the price of leadership and the cost of conviction.

If there are 500,000 on the [Stop the War] march, that is still less than the number of people whose deaths Saddam has been responsible for. If there are one million, that is still less than the number of people who died in the wars he started.

So if the result of peace is Saddam staying in power, not disarmed, then I tell you there are consequences paid in blood for that decision too. But these victims will never be seen, never feature on our TV screens or inspire millions to take to the streets. But they will exist none the less.



President George W. Bush and Prime Minister Tony Blair of England walk out to address the media in Cross Hall at the White House Nov. 7. "We've got no better friend in the world than Great Britain," said the President during his remarks. White House photo by Paul Morse.


That reminded me a bit of this:

Churchill's speech of yesteryear?

238 posted on 03/15/2003 12:14:22 PM PST by MeekOneGOP (Bu-bye Saddam! / Check out my Freeper site !: http://home.attbi.com/~freeper/wsb/index.html)
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To: knews_hound
See also:

War by Proxy: Why We Can't Fight Our Mortal Enemies

239 posted on 03/15/2003 12:16:31 PM PST by mrustow
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To: Roscoe
I saw this coming and bought my wife a year's supply of Shalimar products for Christmas. Her assignment is to find a non French substitute or go without a scent. I told her that Dove Soap Bars leave an excellent aroma.
240 posted on 03/15/2003 12:21:17 PM PST by Grampa Dave (Stamp out Freepathons! Stop being a Freep Loader! Become a monthly donor!)
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