Posted on 02/22/2003 9:06:38 AM PST by blam
VINTAGE SKULLS
Researcher Silvia Gonzalez examines a 13,000-year-old skull. (Liverpool John Moores University)
The oldest human remains found in the Americas were recently "discovered" in the storeroom of Mexico's National Museum of Anthropology. Found in central Mexico in 1959, the five skulls were radiocarbon dated by a team of researchers from the United Kingdom and Mexico and found to be 13,000 years old. They pre-date the Clovis culture by a couple thousand years, adding to the growing evidence against the Clovis-first model for the first peopling of the Americas.
Of additional significance is the shape of the skulls, which are described as long and narrow, very unlike those of modern Native Americans.
Joseph Powell, a physical anthropologist at the University of New Mexico, cautions that other explanations for the skull shape differences must be considered before jumping to conclusions about origins. "Natural selection or some other microevolutionary forces may play a role. People change when their diets change. This happened in China, for example. Ancient Chinese don't really look much like modern Chinese from the same area. It's a worldwide phenomena and it may be related to the changes at the end of the Ice Age."
Paleoindian specialist Kenneth Tankersley believes archaeology is only beginning to scratch the surface of the debate. "Variation in the languages and DNA of American Indians not only suggests there were multiple migrations from a number of different homelands, but they imply that the first wave of people arrived in the Americas more than 30,000 years ago. This suggests archaeologists should be looking in older geological strata."
DNA evidence might be the best way to know where the first Americans came from and how or why they changed over time. The researchers have planned DNA tests, though successful extraction from remains this old is challenging.--COLLEEN P. POPSON
That's about where ten years of reading and study in this area has lead me too.
Professor Stephen Oppenheimer says that the oldest (undisputed) Mongoloid skeleton ever found is only 10,000 years old.
It is my opinion that some group like the Jomon/Ainu produced todays' Mongoloid and Caucasians. The South East Asians (according to Oppenheimers study) produced the North Asian with the flatter face, peculiar eye lid, lighter skin and the 'shovel' teeth (Sindont) that are characteristic of all American Indians. I think Kennewick Man has sunadont teeth like south east Asians.
It is, despite what your creationist pamphlets keep telling you.
Don't see where I made the claim. Only wondered. If wondering makes me weird, I'd rather be weird than wired. ;>
There has been much discussion on the Anu-nnaki of ancient myth during the past forty years. Interesting stuff.
I know they're cool, but they're not identical or related to ancient Japanese :)
Ainu Creation
retold by: Lauren Hafernick
I have retold a traditional Ainu creation story within my framework for children ages 4 - 7. The Ainu came before the Japanese people arrived and they have a distinct ethnic heritage. I did not change much from my original source. Instead, I simplified the story as if I were explaining it to small kids.
When the world first began, there was nothing. Above the nothingness were six skies and below the nothingness were six worlds. Good people, bad people and animals lived above and below the nothingness. Good people lived above, bad people lived below and both had animals. The creator god, Kami, lived above with his servants.
Long ago, Kami made the earth with lots and lots of water resting on the back of a very big fish. When the fish would breath in and out, the earth would have waves and when the fish moved, it would cause earthquakes. The whole world was filled with water.
One day, Kami got very tired of there always being so much water. So, Kami came up with a plan to change the earth and asked a big dog that was an animal who lived on the earth to help. The dog's name was Yayshu and he was special because he had a very big tail. Yayshu agreed to follow Kami's instruction to change the earth. Kami told Yayshu to travel down and swim deep into the water and find the bottom. Then he told Yayshu to begin beating down the water with his gigantic tail.
When Yayshu finally reached the bottom, he was exhausted and saw no way to beat the water down. But he used all his strength and finally began to make progress. After days and days of Yayshu beating down the water, Kami began to see his plan working and he was delighted. Patches of land rose up and formed through Yayshu's hard work of beating down the water. The land floated among the large expanse of water. But when Yayshu stopped beating his tail to evaluate his progress, the land started sinking into the water again. That is why Yayshu is still below, working hard to provide us with the floating land we walk upon today.
Once the animals living above with Kami saw how beautiful the earth was becoming, they begged the creator god to let them go and live above water, on the land. But Kami would not allow it, because he had another plan to create people. Ainu was the first man created. He had the hair of weeds and his spine was made from a stick. Kami was pleased with his creation and delighted in all that was achieved through Ainu.
I wanted to post the sumerian creation story but that is like, a whole book.
Ainu Concept of the Soul after Death
After death all the spirits first travel to the underworld on the road called anna-macer. Below, they come to a fork of the road, one leading up to heaven, the other to Gehenna. There are watch dogs all along the road, who take care that none will enter the better world secretly:
As soon as the spirit from the "upper world" - that is, our earth - passes down to the centre of Hades, a watch-dog informs it that he has received a message from the Creator, sent through the goddess of fire, as to where it is to go. If it has done good during life it passes along the road to heaven, at the doors of which gods and men meet it and lead it inside. If the spirit belonged to a person who did evil during life, it is informed that, a message having been received concerning its evil deeds, it has now to proceed to Gehenna for punishment.
Should the spirit deny having done any wrong, the goddess of fire is summoned, and she causes a great picture, representing the whole life of the spirit, to be placed before it. Thus the spirit stands self-condemned, and there is no escape, for the fire goddess has a perfect picture of every word and act the spirit ever said or did while in its body upon earth (op. cit.568-570).
The Ainu are thus motivated to be good in this life in order to gain the eternal rewards of heaven; and to avoid evil in order to escape the eternal cold, dark, and wet winter of Gehenna; or, as others say, the eternal fire of Gehenna. The Ainu then have many, many delightful tales and stories which teach goodness and badness, and the way of life of a proper and resourceful Ainu.
Wow! Somehow that sounds familiar!
Agreed. Edit it down and start and thread. Ping me, if you do.
Enjoyed your 'Ainu' story.
Would there be an interest in such?
Don't know. If you throw in a smattering of Sitchin it might fly. There are a lot of Sitchinites on board here. You can use the chat or blogger topic and see what happens.
DID ANYONE NOTICE HOW MUCH THESE ANCIENT STORIES SOUND LIKE THE BIBLE? Did humankind once had one culture or what>?
Comanche
One day the Great Spirit collected swirls of dust from the four directions in order to create the Comanche people. These people formed from the earth had the strength of mighty storms. Unfortunately, a shape-shifting demon was also created and began to torment the people. The Great Spirit cast the demon into a bottomless pit. To seek revenge the demon took refuge in the fangs and stingers of poisonous creatures and continues to harm people every chance it gets.
Sitchin? mhm..
One takes a sash of Sitchin, a dash of Daniken, an itchy bitchy bit of Velikofski, dip it in some Enoch... and one gets the most flamed thread ever.
Sounds like fun!!!
A refining flame, I would hope. It would be a veritable crucible. Go for it! :)
Someone is making a movie .. Sitchin would have loved it
http://www.1anunnaki.com/intro.html
Clovis Man requiesct in pace. You've been out dated.
Clovis Man requiescat in pace. You've been out dated.
That FR topic was pulled for a copyright complaint, but a reproduction can be found here:
http://laputan.blogspot.com/2002_12_01_laputan_archive.html
"Reservations" exist as a consequence of American politics in the early 1800s.
LOL, I love responses to posts that I made four years ago. The internet is a wonderful thing.
For a variety of reasons they were "enticed" into serving as Samurai during the Japanese Medieval period.
When they moved South toward Hiroshima and Fukuoka away from their primary homeland in the North, Ainu who'd inhabited Siberia and Manchuria moved to Hokkaido and other parts of Japan in the North.
The Emishi and the Ainu are essentially members of the same "race" as Kennewick Man, but are different from the Chinese and other East Asians.
They are more closely related to the Chinese than are the Europeans however.
In any case, the Chinese, Ainu, Emishi, Chukchi, Sa'ami and other Europeans (including the Germans, Poles and English) are descended from the same group ~ and that group is different from Middle Easterners and other South Asians.
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