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Ignoble (Michael) Savage
The New York Sun ^ | 02/19/03 | IRA STOLL

Posted on 02/18/2003 9:47:27 PM PST by Pokey78

New York’s senior senator is “Upchuck” Schumer. New York’s jun-

ior senator is “Pillory” Clinton. The federal appellate judges for the West Coast are the “The Ninth Jerk-it Court of Schlemiels.” America is threatened by a “tidal wave of Turd World immigration.”

Welcome to the world of Michael Savage, the pen name and radio moniker of author and talk show host Michael A. Weiner. Mr. Savage, born in the Bronx to a Jewish, Democratic, immigrant family that later moved to Queens, worked his way through college as a busboy at a hotel in the Catskills before earning a Ph.D. in epidemiology and nutrition science from the University of California, Berkeley. His humor, such as it is or isn’t, clearly owes less to the tradition of Berkeley than to that of the Borscht Belt.

So what to make of the fact that Mr. Savage’s book, “The Savage Nation,” published by a company whose main business is selling Christian Bibles, is now at or near the top of virtually every national bestseller list, with more than 300,000 copies in circulation? His radio show reaches an audience of 5 million a week; in New York it’s carried by WABC radio, 770 on the AM dial.

Proof that you can never go broke by underestimating the intelligence of the American people? Or is Mr. Savage onto something beyond mere pre-adolescent humor?

Mr. Savage does have a knack for wry, insightful observations on topics ranging from antitrust law to the excesses of the American left. They are delightful for the way they are calculated to incite apoplexy among the holier-than-thou types.

On toy guns: “All of a sudden, the seventies came along. If you gave your kid a cap gun, you were considered psychotic. Instead, you’re supposed to give him a collection of flags from the United Nations.”

On the overmedication of children: “Daydreaming is a sign that a child needs Ritalin?”

On predatory pricing and price-fixing: “The antitrust laws in America make it illegal to charge more than the competition. It’s called price gouging. But you can’t charge less, either, because that would be undercutting your competitors. And if you charge the same, then you’re guilty of collusion. They’ve got you crated and ready for delivery no matter which way you turn.”

On the ACLU’s concern about public displays of religiosity: “You can have sex in public. You can masturbate in public. You can cross-dress in public. You can rub against a sheep in public. But you can’t pray in public.”

He observes that America has too much sex and too little religion, while the Middle East has too much religion and not enough sex. His proposed solution is to “drop millions of copies of Playboy over the nations of the Middle East along with millions of tiny, airline bottles of booze.” Instead of handing out condoms to American college students, university administrators should distribute copies of the U.S. Constitution and the Ten Commandments, he says.

About as often, however, Mr. Savage himself is guilty of the very excesses he decries in his liberal opponents. He complains that because of them, “America is well on her way from being the melting pot to becoming the chamber pot.” But to judge by his book, Mr. Savage himself is doing more than his share to coarsen the culture.

Sometimes he’s just plain wrong. He complains that when Senator Lieberman “used his religion as a weapon. … we heard not a murmur about church and state from the media elite.” In fact, after Mr. Lieberman started talking about God and religion during the campaign, the New York Times let loose with an editorial (“Mr. Lieberman’s Religious Words,” August 31, 2000), that asserted, “whenever religious matters are addressed, Mr. Lieberman should firmly and unequivocally reiterate his support for the separation of church and state, a bedrock principle of the American Constitution and political system.”

Other times Mr. Savage sounds just like the liberals he attacks, denouncing the “oligarchy” he claims is ruling America. “It’s a government of the rich, by the special-interest groups, and for the lobbyists,” Mr. Savage says.

And other times the book goes beyond wrong, into the territory of truly bad taste and even worse.

He refers to “Third Way Führer Blair” of England, a truly vile and unjustifiable title for a prime minister who has been a good friend to America in the war on Islamic terror.

He offers an unconvincing defense of Pius XII as “not Hitler’s pope” but “one of the great men of all time in that he saved upward of a reported eight-hundred thousand Jews.”

Particularly misguided are Mr. Savage’s views on immigration. He writes, “If America is going to survive, we must close our borders to those who mooch and to those from all terror-sponsoring countries.”

Well, no objection here to reforming government-sponsored welfare. But if Mr. Savage’s immigrant ancestors made it to New York City and settled in without any help from their relatives or private charities, they’d be in rare company, indeed. And without admitting Iraqis and Iranians to America, how is America supposed to help train a new generation of leaders for those nations who will be steeped in American traditions of freedom and democracy?

Most creepy is Mr. Savage’s justification of his views on immigration by invoking, however elliptically, racial and cultural differences. “When you alter the people, you alter the country. Does America want to be like Mexico, Central America, or China?” he asks. “Our most important and consequential inventions have come almost exclusively from white males,” Mr. Savage asserts at one point in the book.

Incredibly, Mr. Savage then openly wishes for an American immigration policy more like that advocated by a center-right German politician, Angela Merkel. Now, Ms. Merkel and her Christian Democratic party have their merits on foreign and economic policy, but their railings against the number of Turkish workers in Germany are not among them.

In a section of his book headlined “Biased Liberal News Undermines America,” Mr. Savage defines the cable news network MSNBC as “More Snotty Nonsense By Creeps.” Recently, amid the success of Mr. Savage’s book, MSNBC announced plans to have Mr. Savage host a weekly hour-long TV talk show. Given that MSNBC’s other token “conservative” is Pat Buchanan, it’s unclear whether the move is a calculated liberal plot to make conservatives look bad or a sincere effort to better the network’s ratings in Germany.

As evidence that “we must not allow immigrants to come here and impose their cultural trappings on us,” Mr. Savage raises the following scare: “The next time you’re in your backyard grilling hot dogs, don’t be surprised if your Korean neighbor is actually grilling his dog. That’s the way things are done in Korea.”

But Mr. Savage needn’t worry. The son of the newcomer Korean immigrant will likely prefer to eat at McDonald’s. And his grandson might become a multimillionaire by starting a fast food chain that would popularize Korean cuisine the way Taco Bell did Mexican food. Or the grandson might seek his fortune by writing a bestselling book that argues for keeping the borders closed to the next generation of immigrants.


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To: Clemenza
Well if it's illegal immigration, I certainly don't doubt that at all. A lot of it is probably resentment because their parents came here the legal way. That was pretty much my dad's opinion. Actually I've heard more younger Italians say things, like well if those mexicans and jamaicans can come here and open up a grocery store in four years, then what's black people's problem? I've heard more of that than criticizing immigrants. Of course I agree but that's another thread isn't it? Actually that was another thread!
81 posted on 02/19/2003 5:40:20 AM PST by cyborg
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To: foreverfree
Funny enough my mother and I were in church, and this Ukrainian lady heard my mother's accent. She said in very broken english.. "you like america right? i love america. " Of course my mother agreed, even though she doesn't like Dubya.
82 posted on 02/19/2003 5:43:31 AM PST by cyborg
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To: carton253
Wow....you would risk being seen as a supporter of the U.S. President by submitting such a reasoned response? I'm impressed!
83 posted on 02/19/2003 5:48:16 AM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: Axenolith
Yeah, the live S&M.
84 posted on 02/19/2003 6:18:09 AM PST by bulldogs
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To: Captainpaintball
"these countries will cease to exist in its current form in 30 years"


More like 3 years.
85 posted on 02/19/2003 6:19:50 AM PST by bulldogs
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To: Captainpaintball
1. Shortest Straw is from ...And Justice for All.
2. I'm pretty sure I've hear part of Ride the Lightning once or twice.
3. Personally, I think Don't Tread on Me would be a great match. I used it the one time I got onto college radio.
86 posted on 02/19/2003 1:50:59 PM PST by rmlew
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To: meanie monster
I only learned recently that Mike was Jewish, makes me respect him more.

How else could he get away with the Lieberman schtick?
87 posted on 02/19/2003 1:52:46 PM PST by rmlew
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To: Clemenza
This neocon seems to have a soft spot for the liberalman (and for open borders), a good reason to avoid the Sun.

The NY Post isn't any better (despite running Michelle Malkin) and the WSJ believes uin no immigration control.

Unless you want to start a Paleocon or a Nationalist Conservative publication up here, live with it.

88 posted on 02/19/2003 1:55:42 PM PST by rmlew
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To: Illbay
Savage is the guy for those who don't really DO anything constructive, just sit around, drink beer, belch and gripe.

Hey . . . I resemble that remark!
89 posted on 02/19/2003 2:00:36 PM PST by Xenalyte
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To: cyborg
to try to assimilate

Key words.

90 posted on 02/19/2003 2:02:43 PM PST by riri
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To: Claire Voyant
Stoll is not anti-Christian per se.
Rather he has problems with the RCC's 1800 year history of anti-semetism. Until 1850's, the church was complicit in kidnapping of Jewish children and forced conversion of them.

In light of this history, Stoll takes a dim view to Pacelli/Pius XII's mixed record.
I happen to disagree and have defending Pope Pius XII against scurilous attacks. Unfortunatelyu, the slanderous attacks by James Caroll and Michaal Goldhagen have an effect.

Teh NY Times, spent the entire war downplaying the Holocaust.

91 posted on 02/19/2003 2:08:04 PM PST by rmlew
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To: Pokey78
While Savage does sometimes violate good taste, he advances sound reasons for almost everything he stands for. While I do not agree with him on everything, I certainly do on immigration. And I also certainly recognize the attack of this sophisticated propagandist "analysis" for what it is--pure sophistry, based upon half-truths and "politically correct" question-begging assumptions.

For a serious consideration of our immigration questions, see Immigration & The American Future. If anything, Savage understates the problem. Sophists (or "sophisticates," as they like to call themselves, hiding their heads in the sand, rather than recognize that all peoples differ, and that we already have a population well over the optimum level, will indeed destroy America. The writer of this piece is probably so full of his own assumptions, that he probably does not even realize how badly those assumptions insult all of us, his "Liberal" friends included.

William Flax Return Of The Gods Web Site

92 posted on 02/19/2003 2:08:35 PM PST by Ohioan
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To: Leisler
Actually we do need more labor. Ever been to any major old city? What happened to all the carpenters, masons, plumbers, all the supply yards and sundry buisnesses?

Skilled trades people are not Labor. Labor is unskilled. Cities have plenty of Laborers, I lived in NYC for 18 years and worked construction!

There is very little manufacturing in NYC, its mostly assembling. Its economy is information, services and tourism.

even mechanics today aren't really mechanics. They replace components ( again assembly work)

93 posted on 02/19/2003 5:00:35 PM PST by ffusco (Omnis Gallia delenda est!)
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To: Illbay
Just because he talks like a truck driver doesn't mean he lacks wit and sophistication. And if he is over the top, he's an entertainer! Conservatives enjoy being served their red meat by him.
94 posted on 02/19/2003 5:03:33 PM PST by ffusco (Omnis Gallia delenda est!)
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To: cyborg
Hey buddy,

Culture is the language, customs and beliefs of a set of people.

Feel free to add or subtract.

95 posted on 02/19/2003 5:08:31 PM PST by ffusco (Omnis Gallia delenda est!)
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To: meanie monster
Sticks and Stones. The left will always resort to name calling, who cares. I refuse to suffer fools gladly-unless I'm the joker!
96 posted on 02/19/2003 5:20:05 PM PST by ffusco (Omnis Gallia delenda est!)
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To: ffusco
When the UN was built they ripped down factories and, the bastards, a brewery. It wasn't a good trade.

You're right about mechanics, although boat yards mechanics are still muli-skilled.
97 posted on 02/19/2003 5:35:43 PM PST by Leisler
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To: Clemenza
All recently matriculated ethnic groups project their fears onto the new -commers. First and Second generation Italian-Americans don't dislike Puerto Ricans because they are immigrants neccessarily, Its because Italian-Americans have "anglicized" and the two groups still occupy some of the same neighborhoods. As Italians became more middle class with each generation and moved to the burbs they were replaced by the next newcommers In the old neighborhoods, the newcommers are seen as unruly, violent and overly fertile.
98 posted on 02/19/2003 5:39:40 PM PST by ffusco (Omnis Gallia delenda est!)
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To: anniegetyourgun
Wow ...so those stories about how he got his graduate degrees (Masters and PhD) toiling under liberal profs and TA's was all made up?

His world-wide travels and xx number of published books is vapor-ware too?

Annie, get your gun and get outa here!

99 posted on 02/19/2003 5:57:19 PM PST by _Jim (//NASA has a better safety record than NASCAR\\)
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To: Leisler
A Brewery! That's unconscionable!
In Park Slope, Bklyn, where I used to live ,they microbrew Brooklyn Lager. It's on 5th ave and 7th street I think... Take the F train to &th ave and walk downhill.



100 posted on 02/19/2003 6:10:44 PM PST by ffusco (Omnis Gallia delenda est!)
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