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Mayor, Chief seek Gun Restrictions(HELP!!! MAJOR gun grab being attemted in Lincoln Nebraska.)
The Lincoln Journal Star ^ | Friday, January 31, 2003 | Aaron Sanderford and Nate Jenkins

Posted on 02/01/2003 12:29:47 AM PST by Super Mak90kid

Mayor, chief seek gun restrictions BY AARONS ANDERFORD / Lincoln Journal Star and NATE JENKINS

If Lincoln's mayor and police chief get their way, more criminals could be arrested for carrying guns, and others could find it harder to sell potentially stolen goods.

Mayor Don Wesely and Police Chief Tom Casady offered three potential ordinances Thursday. They plan to bring the proposals to the City Council in March.

The proposals will ask the council to enact the following changes:

• Prohibit people convicted of theft or a theft-related crimes twice over the last 10 years from selling or trading property to pawn brokers and dealers of secondhand jewelry.

• Make it illegal to keep firearms in parked, unattended vehicles for more than 24 hours.

• Outlaw firearms possession for people convicted of any of 19 charges the mayor and chief selected as "serious, violent or potentially violent misdemeanors."

Police say they found a positive reaction to the first proposal when Casady met Jan. 17 with pawn shop owners and managers.

Jeremy Cosier, manager of Capitol City Pawn &Jewelry, 2541 N. 11th St., said owners initially worried what would be required of them. Those fears were allayed.

"What it's going to try to do is weed out a bad element," Cosier said. "Pawn shops get that bad image, but we're more than happy to cooperate with police and get those types of folks out of the shops."

State law requires pawn shops to provide police information about items they purchase and the people who sold them.

If the proposal were to pass, police would be able to cross-reference lists of who's selling what with lists of known criminals and arrest those who sell items to pawn shops or dealers of secondhand jewelry.

Pawn brokers would not be given a "hot" list of names to avoid, officials said, but would be required to avoid buying from people they knew were convicted twice of such crimes.

No one interviewed Thursday expressed angst about the 24-hour proposal for keeping handguns out of unattended cars.

Investigators brought the ordinance idea to Casady after several victims of larcenies from autos reported firearms stolen.

The firearms-possession ban is modeled on restrictions Omaha uses to keep people convicted of violent misdemeanors from getting gun permits.

Omaha's ordinance also denies gun registration to anyone with a record of drug use or of dangerous mental disorders.

Lincoln's proposal would not address the mental health or substance abuse questions, because both are addressed in state law, Casady said.

But the language of the proposals could ignite legal challenges if written too broadly, said Tim Butz, executive director of the American Civil Liberties Union of Nebraska.

Butz worried most about the inclusion of "obstructing government operations" among misdemeanors that could eliminate someone's right to bear arms.

Political demonstrators, particularly at war times, are cited for such crimes, he said.

"What the mayor and the chief are talking about could be completely constitutional if done right, and it could be flagrantly unconstitutional if not,"he said.

City Council members, some of whom first learned of the proposals Thursday, said they need more information and discussion before they'll take concrete positions.

Framing the gun-possession debate will be questions of fairness -- specifically fairness to those convicted of the targeted crimes, council members said.

Councilwoman Annette McRoy said she doesn't yet know enough to say "yea or nay" but added that the ordinances "sound good."

Councilwoman Coleen Seng, a candidate for mayor, said she trusts Casady's judgment.

Councilman Ken Svoboda said public reaction could be a major factor in his decision.

"I'm for anything that takes firearms out of the hands of a potential or convicted criminal," said Svoboda. "But there's a fine line" between public protection and infringing on an individual's rights.

Reach Aaron Sanderford at 473-7225 or asanderford@journalstar.com Reach Nate Jenkins at 473-7223 or njenkins@journalstar.com.


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To: Pavlovs Dog
"8.Furnishing Firearms, ammunition, or weapons to minors"
think Colombine

Think taking your kid to a shooting range ... even on your own ranch or farm. Think of leaving a gun with your children because they get home before you do, and you want them protected. Think of giving a kid a 22 for Christmas.

81 posted on 02/01/2003 1:55:19 PM PST by coloradan
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To: Super Mak90kid
I wonder if there's any coincidence that there's a bill up in the legislature to provide for concealed carry in Nebraska (only about the fourth or fifth time).

The timing's just about right to make one suspect it.

82 posted on 02/01/2003 2:15:33 PM PST by Skybird
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To: Super Mak90kid
I think your description of "nasty" hits it right on the head. The reaction I got from the State Patrol officer was really odd. It was almost like he was instantly suspicious of me. His attitude was one of "why would you even ask that?"

Hopefully, they will be successful with the legislation this time, but I won't hold my breath.
83 posted on 02/01/2003 2:49:48 PM PST by Pablo64 (I don't know what makes them so stupid, but it sure does work!!)
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To: archy
I don't think I could handle that job. It's just to glamorous for me (hahahahaha!).
84 posted on 02/01/2003 2:54:53 PM PST by Pablo64 (I don't know what makes them so stupid, but it sure does work!!)
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To: Super Mak90kid
Are you from Lincoln, Nebraska? If so, please freepmail me..thanks!
86 posted on 02/01/2003 5:05:08 PM PST by Bella
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To: Bella; All
I should add for anyone from Lincoln, Nebraska, please freepmail me...I'm trying to locate someone from there..Thanks.
87 posted on 02/01/2003 5:06:41 PM PST by Bella
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To: Super Mak90kid
The ratchet effect works in one direction, from freedom to slavery.

Until each new revolution.

88 posted on 02/01/2003 5:38:32 PM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Pavlovs Dog; Joe Brower; harpseal; Squantos; archy
Why don't you get real?

8. Furnishing Firearms, ammunition, or weapons to minors.

19. Attempting any felony OR any of the above misdemeanors.

Let's "get real." RICO was passed to go after the Mafia, and was used against Pro-Life groups. Asset Forfeiture was passed to go after the loot of billionalre narco traffickers, and is used today as legal theft agains John Q Public.

#8 will be used to arrest you for letting your 17 year old son go plinking on your farm with a .22 rifle!

If you don't believe it, then you have been sleepwalking through the 1980s and 90s.

89 posted on 02/01/2003 5:43:57 PM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Travis McGee
That's exactly right. "Furnishing firearms to minors" means taking your kid to the firing range.
90 posted on 02/01/2003 7:25:29 PM PST by henderson field
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To: coloradan
When I was 11 years old, I had saved enough money from my paper route to buy a single-shot .22 rifle. My dad took me to Sears & Roebuck and I bought a J.C.Higgins (made by Stevens). I guess we won't be able to do that anymore if the socialists in government have their way. It sure is different now than it was in the fifties. Different, not better.
91 posted on 02/01/2003 7:32:18 PM PST by henderson field
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To: Byron_the_Aussie
Don't make the same mistake we did, Downunder. Target criminals, not responsible gunowners, if you really want to reduce crime.

Great post!

Bump.

92 posted on 02/01/2003 7:51:05 PM PST by BenR2 ((John 3:16: Still True Today.))
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To: henderson field
It sure is different now than it was in the fifties. Different, not better.

Have you read Liddy's new book: "When I Was a Kid, This Was a Free Country?" yet? (I haven't, but need to.)
93 posted on 02/01/2003 7:52:12 PM PST by BenR2 ((John 3:16: Still True Today.))
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To: henderson field
And you can bet they will go to any lengths to enforce it, including undercover agents hiding in trees with video cameras to catch your 17 year old son with a .22 more than 25 feet from you.

Meanwhile, squatter camps of criminal invader illegal aliens are camped in the vacant lot behind police HQ.

94 posted on 02/01/2003 8:38:08 PM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: henderson field
In the 50s and 60s, kids in New York City took their .22 rifles on the subway, on their way to school. There were fewer school shootings then than now - and today about six of the facts presented in the above sentence would be cause for panic attacks by the gun grabbers, if not actual SWAT team response. Insanity!
95 posted on 02/01/2003 9:09:23 PM PST by coloradan
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To: c-b 1
"My brother tells me, you have to get a permit to buy a pistol in the City of Lincoln"

What states allow you to purchase a pistol without a permit?
96 posted on 02/01/2003 9:17:10 PM PST by Rebelbase (Rock with Celtic roots at http://www.sevennations.com)
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To: Rebelbase
Colorado, for one.
97 posted on 02/01/2003 9:54:11 PM PST by coloradan
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To: coloradan
I wasn't around in the "good old days" but I fear that I missed out. Luckily for me my Grandpa is a great guy. He gave me my first gun when I was about 11 years old. A Ruger 10/22 with scope. I still have it.
98 posted on 02/01/2003 10:45:16 PM PST by Super Mak90kid
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To: ~Kim4VRWC's~
What is lincoln's stance on fireworks

It's harsh. Lincoln does not allow any fireworks that go bang. Only smoke and light type fireworks. They used to allow the fun stuff. It's that "ratchet effect" again.

99 posted on 02/01/2003 10:48:55 PM PST by Super Mak90kid
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To: Travis McGee
The ratchet effect works in one direction, from freedom to slavery.

Until each new revolution.

I hate to see things go this way. We may not win this but it's our job to fight these bastards every step of the way.

100 posted on 02/01/2003 10:51:51 PM PST by Super Mak90kid
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