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Al-Qaeda has dirty bomb, UK says
BBC News ^ | January 31, 2003 | Frank Gardner

Posted on 01/30/2003 4:46:05 PM PST by MadIvan

British officials have presented evidence which they claim shows that al-Qaeda has been trying to assemble radioactive material to build a so-called dirty bomb.

They have shown the BBC previously undisclosed material backing up their claim.

It includes secret intelligence from agents sent into al-Qaeda training camps in Afghanistan by Britain.

Posing as recruits, they blended in and reported back.

They revealed that Osama Bin Laden's weapons programme was further on than anyone thought.

British officials said on Thursday Bin Laden now has the expertise and possibly the materials to build a crude radioactive bomb.

The government says evidence suggests that by 1999, Bin Laden's priority was to develop a weapon of mass destruction.

He had acquired radioactive isotopes from the Taleban to do this, officials said, adding that development work on the "dirty bomb" had been going on in a nuclear laboratory in the Afghan city of Herat.

Evidence 'credible'

The government even has al-Qaeda training manuals which detail how to use a dirty bomb to maximum effect.

For a second opinion, the BBC showed some of the material to an expert on al-Qaeda.

"I think this is genuine," said Dr Mustafa Alani, of the Royal United Service Institute.

"It is credible. This is proof that al-Qaeda put a lot of effort into collecting information and educating other members of the organisation.

"It is possible to produce this sort of weapon."

British military personnel worked with intelligence officers to gather material which was taken to Porton Down defence research centre in Wiltshire.

Their conclusion was that al-Qaeda had a small dirty bomb but probably not a full blown nuclear device.

"From nuclear weapons the threat is very, very slim," said Gary Samore, a former US National Security Council member.

To create one, he said, al-Qaeda would have needed to obtain weapons grade nuclear material - a difficult prospect.

Saddam might have that sort of material. Hmmm. - Ivan

"On the other hand, the threat of a dirty bomb or radiological bomb, is much more plausible," he added.

British officials say the "bomb" has never been recovered but at least one leading al-Qaeda weapons expert from Herat is still at large.

Why the British government would release such top secret information has been questioned by some commentators in the Arabic world.

Abdel Bari Atwan, the editor of Al Quds al Arabi, said it was an attempt to revive fears in Britain and the US about 11 September.

"They would like to prove their point that there are links between Saddam Hussein and al-Qaeda," he said.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; US: District of Columbia; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: alqaeda; binladen; blair; bomb; bush; oef; radiation; uk; us; warlist
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To: MadIvan
I suspect what is going to occur next is that Blair or Bush will reveal that Al Qaeda got the radioactive material for this bomb from Saddam. This would explain why Bush and Blair have been so insistent on getting Saddam. And finally stating this in public will end all opposition - though this period has been indeed been instructive as to who stands for freedom and who does not.

Makes perfect sense to me. I've been wondering (but very appreciative) about why Tony would be so staunchly supportive of us, even when it goes completely against the grain of his party.

Your scenario would go a long way toward explaining that.

Watch yer back and thanks for the info.

FReegards,

BTN

61 posted on 01/30/2003 6:14:02 PM PST by BOBTHENAILER (I'll show you a stinking smoking gun)
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To: Aaron0617
then why didn't Clinton direct the CIA to do this and get the same intel Britian did.

Because the CIA can't use the same techniques as British intel can. Like pulling a trigger on someone to become a "made man".

The US has strict laws against that kind of thing for our intel folks. The UK doesn't. In fact, some of the techniques that the UK used against the IRA were pretty brutal (but justified).

/john

62 posted on 01/30/2003 6:15:39 PM PST by JRandomFreeper
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To: MadIvan
Right before things get really bad, I figure I will see a picture of chelsea and her guardians holding hands as they step aboard the plane to make their final exit.
63 posted on 01/30/2003 6:18:05 PM PST by TBall
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To: ArneFufkin
A-ha! He must have not refunded their money from "Darkness Falls" No wonder they want to kill him.
64 posted on 01/30/2003 6:18:39 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (FREE SNUGGLES! Click on my profile to find out what this is all about)
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To: MadIvan
The Jihadist must be told that the response to anything nuclear will be thermonuclear. Chicago and Brooklyn rules..
65 posted on 01/30/2003 6:20:30 PM PST by sheik yerbouty
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear
It ain't terror if a Dakotan theater concessionaire/projectionist isn't in the sights.
66 posted on 01/30/2003 6:21:24 PM PST by ArneFufkin
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To: InvisibleChurch
Send Bawney Fwank to Al Qaida. He likes dirty bombs. He can take the rest of his Wahabite liberal friends with him!
67 posted on 01/30/2003 6:24:00 PM PST by sheik yerbouty
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To: sheik yerbouty
I think we know every lock that ain't locked when no-ones around in that place. The Israelis, Saudis, Jordanians, Iranians and Syrians have been rooted inside there for years. We're going to do a righteous smackdown the first 72 hours. The B-61 nukes WILL be in play to blow the underworld ... to the underworld.
68 posted on 01/30/2003 6:25:49 PM PST by ArneFufkin
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To: MadIvan
Only the USA or Israel will ever nuke Mecca Medina Qom. This act would utterly demoralize Islam. The new chastened Islam that emerges can pick a new holy city. What is the population of Mecca anyway?

Mecca sits in a valley surrounded by low hills; it's population is approximately 550,000. Though Mecca is definitely the religious capital of Saudi Arabia, remember that the Saudi political capital is Riyadh.


69 posted on 01/30/2003 6:25:50 PM PST by dennisw (http://www.littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/weblog.php)
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To: milestogo

All your difficulties are belong to us.
70 posted on 01/30/2003 6:27:50 PM PST by Justice
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To: WorkingClassFilth
How convenient. How Krintonesque

Clinton gave all the people mis-aiming those malfunctioning missles with dismal skillsets real black berets! Just like the real Special Force pros wore. Stole 'em right from real Airborne Ranger guys and gals! Doesn't that count for anything?

Why is that barfbag Shinseki still on the payroll?

71 posted on 01/30/2003 6:32:30 PM PST by ArneFufkin
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To: MadIvan
partisan hysterics... A/K/A 'body bag' politics.
72 posted on 01/30/2003 6:35:11 PM PST by foreshadowed at waco
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To: belmont_mark
"AL-QAEDA EXPLODES DIRTY BOMB IN CHICAGO!!! MINORITIES AND HOMELESS HIT THE HARDEST!!!"


LOL!...Not a real headline. But don't be surprised.
73 posted on 01/30/2003 6:50:49 PM PST by txradioguy (HOOAH! Not just a word, A way of life!)
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To: MadIvan
I'd say that if they didn't AT LEAST have a few radiological bombs, then we have grossly overestimated their competence and effectiveness as a terrorist threat. Good grief, any idiot can make a dirty bomb. Buy enough smoke detectors and you can scrape together enough radioactive material to set the geiger counters off. Or you could pay off a few cash-poor foreign students to steal some material from their college labs. Easiest thing in the world. Getting the EXPLOSIVE is a lot harder than getting the radioactive material, and we all know how easy it is for terrorists to get explosives.

Now a fission device, that is truly a challenge, and probably far beyond the capabilities of any terrorist group WITHOUT SUBSTANTIAL STATE ASSISTANCE.

74 posted on 01/30/2003 7:14:39 PM PST by Stefan Stackhouse
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To: steveegg
Hmm; where are the Vanguards and Ohios? I hope at least one is back in port having its Tridents fully MIRVed, with at least one somewhere in the weatern Indian Ocean.

I think that one can safely assume that we have several SSBNs on patrol at all times well within range of Iraq. And I think that it can also be safely assumed that it is a relatively quick and simple process to program in the targeting GPS coordinates for any place in the world -- including Iraq. In fact, it is a pretty safe bet that there is a file in the Pentagon somewhere with a set of targets already well thought out, and probably updated frequently, and that the programming of these targeting coordinates into the Tridents is a routine training exercise.

And if Saddam doesn't realize that we can turn his entire country into glass -- quickly and efficiently -- then he is an insane fool.

75 posted on 01/30/2003 7:22:47 PM PST by Stefan Stackhouse
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To: MadIvan
An informative discussion on FREEREPUBLIC.com regarding an IDF.il Spokesperson's article dated January 19, 2003: "AL-QAEDA IS A DANGER TO THE FREE WORLD" (Discussion, Photos posted on FR on January 20, 2003)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/826013/posts
76 posted on 01/30/2003 7:24:03 PM PST by Cindy
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To: MadIvan

Caption should read: "OK, NOW we're sure Saddam HAD one weapon of mass distruction..."

77 posted on 01/30/2003 7:27:24 PM PST by null and void
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To: milestogo
LOL! That picture in Post #11 makes me think of "All your base are belong to us"!
78 posted on 01/30/2003 7:41:02 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: JRandomFreeper
UR#62).................bttt

"From nuclear weapons the threat is very, very slim," said Gary Samore, a former US National Security Council member.

What's this supposed to 'really' mean?

:-(

79 posted on 01/30/2003 7:54:42 PM PST by maestro
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To: MadIvan
BBC NEWS: "AL-QAEDA 'WAS DEVELOPING DIRTY BOMB'"
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/2711645.stm
80 posted on 01/30/2003 7:57:48 PM PST by Cindy
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