What are the REAL reasons Euro-weanies aren't with us on Iraq?

1-22-03 | self

[baldy]

I'd like to know the real reasons for the lack of support from our European "allies." My guess is that the French are scared the world will find out the extent to which French industries have been violating the UN sanctions. In the case of the Germans, my guess is it goes much further: they are terrified the extent of support by many German interests for the NAZI regime in Iraq will be unmasked. There is a growing return of National Socialist sentiment in Germany.

[Dead Dog]

I think the real reason is they, Europe, feel they will be in a better position if the US falters. They want an end of US dominance, economically, militarily, and culturally. We've been a thorn in the Elitist European side since 1776.

[goodnesswins]

DAY of SUPPORT....FLY your flags (US, a British one, Hungarian, Australian and Japanese one, too if you have them)....and put up your BUSH/CHENEY signs, (and the BIG W's on your SUV's) for the STATE of the UNION next Tuesday, Jan 28th, if you support the President, our MILITARY and the United States of America. PSST....pass it on.

[texson66]

Good points. I think too that the Euro-trash have allowed the
Arab-trash to enter their nations in great numbers. The Arab element influence should not be under rated.

Unfortunately, unless we halt all immigration (legal and illegal) to help control our own borders, this type of arab influence will be felt here as well.

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[joltinjoe]

One of the reasons France is against us is $$$$. I saw the documentary on Discovery chanel the other day called "Sadam's bombmaker" about the guy who was in charge of making nukes for Sadaam. France built the nuclear reactor for Sadaam at a cost of $250 million, (even through they new he was really going to use it to make a bomb and not for energy purposes). I assume they are still doing busines with him. It's all about the $$ for France.

[dead]

Their gutless politicians (and the eurinals who vote for them) live in fear of the violent muslim minorities living in their midst.

They think that if they stick their fingers in their ears and hum, the problem will drift away.

[paul51]

One of the reasons France is against us is $$$$

I think the same applies to Germany. Germany can't afford any military action.

[onedoug]

Check out the thread posted just above this one. That's part of an answer.

[Cicero]

All these reasons, certainly. I don't think they need worry that their complicity with an evil regime will be revealed, because if they cooperated Bush is too much of a gentleman to embarrass an ally, and the liberal press would be eager to cover for these socialists.

No, the basic reason is that they have a number of very cozy business relationships with Saddam. It's very profitable, and I'm sure Saddam greases their palms with bribes as well. If the Americans go in, most of that will cease.

[WOSG]

The party running Germany is LEftist and Socialist - in particular the Green Party, which opposes anything American ... Note that Ted Kennedy sounds no different from the Euro-weenies.

If Christian Democrats were running germany, they would be much more friendly to our policies.

why do germans allow this to happen?

they have let the media kultur degrade their ability to think responsibly. they show "independence" from american dominance by parrying our good ideas with their idiocies. That is Global Leftism for ya.

[Billthedrill]

Part of it, I think, is that those nations poised to control the EU are positioning themselves to wield a similar influence in other extranational bodies such as the UN. They won't need to actually do anything in the world - their function will be to tell others what to do.

[eleni121]

From the many Euro trash posts I have read in the past year as well as Euro types I have spoken to, I conclude that there is an openly anti Semitic culture everywhere in Europe. The US supports Israel (which is governed by the Likud at this point) and therefore Euro trashers are against the US. This is one of the factors in the equation. The main cause for the anti US sentiment is a desperate and vicious hatred for anything American - the free market materialistic culture that "derives its success on the backs of the world's victims."

The Soviet Union may have lost the Cold War but the left wing death culture lives on.

[45Auto]

A lot of it is linked to the short-term monetary gain that both France and Germany have aquired as a result of under-the-table deals with Saddam. Both countries' current leadership also capitalizes on the ever-present anti-American sentiment that is a staple of dying cultures and loss of world importance. 50 years of socialism has also bred a dullness of mind that dominates political thought and makes true independent thinking impossible.

But I think the bigger reason is that both countries are scared crapless of the growing Islamic cultures that are breeding in their midst. The French have allowed a lot of immigration from the Arab world mostly because it offers a cheap workforce for low-end jobs. These muslims are not stupid and have organized themselves into a growing political voice. And since violence is a normal part of politics to these folks, France might just find itself on the receiving end of a 9/11-type event in the not-so-distant future.

[Tacis]

The French are the perfect target. Their leaders and politicians are corrupt and the Iraqis have lots of money for bribes. The French have finally realized that they have very little role or clout in the new world and have opted to join the 5th Reich and, forever, in effect, give the Germans a national lewinski.

They know that nothing they do will have any long term effect on what we do or what the outcome will be and Iraq is paying large amounts to those who do it no harm and larger gifts to those who help.

[MadIvan]

I have heard from sources that the Germans sold a lot of the equipment Saddam used to make poison gas.

Bad choice, Fritz. You're ringing a historical bell, and that one involves Zyklon B.

In any event, France and Germany will be deeply embarassed by the revelations about equipment they've sold to Iraq. Unlike Britain and the USA, their defence industries are mostly partly owned by the government, in particular the French. So we can regard these sales as a deliberate extension of national policy.

Regards, Ivan

[tinamina]

The biggest supplier of unauthorized materials to Iraq is Germany, with Siemans (from what I've read) being the largest German company. The second largest supplier is France. Our administration should go on a discreet publicity campaign about this fact.
Also, Germany and France want to have co-presidency for the EU and their greatest desire is to supplant the USA as the world's superpower with this alliance. The US dollar is faltering and the Euro is gaining...they want to keep up the momentum on that. That's how I see it.
Of course the anti-Jew and anti-Christian sentiment is part of it as well. Plus they aren't having any babies, Muslims are their largest group of immigrants and Muslims have lots of babies. And practically NO ONE goes to church there anymore, so Islam is gaining dominance.

[cksharks]

Follow the MONEY.

[Smokin' Joe]

The French are the perfect target.

Precisely. As is the rest of Europe for an IRBM. Regardless of WMD payload type, there would be havoc. Even an ersatz (noninfective) bioagent warhead would wreak economic havoc across the region until the agent could be identified.

The real thing would change the face of Europe like the Black Plague.

Economic concerns naturally follow....

[Eagle Eye]

European conscripts weep when they are away from home for extended periods of time.