White supremacists plan anti-Somali rally

CNN ^ | 1/1/03

[hoosierskypilot]

LEWISTON, Maine (Reuters) -- A white supremacist group whose leader is accused of trying to have a federal judge murdered said on Thursday it will proceed with plans to protest an "invasion" of this New England college community by Somali immigrants.

A spokesman for the World Church of the Creator said the group, which preaches hatred of Jews and blacks on its Web site, would stage a two-hour rally on Saturday in Lewiston, where it says the local white population is fed up with the influx of immigrants from the war-torn East African nation.

The spokesman, the Rev. John King of Newport News, Virginia, said the Lewiston protest would go ahead despite the arrest on Wednesday in Chicago of the Rev. Matt Hale on charges he tried to solicit the murder of U.S. District Court Judge Joan Humphrey Lefkow.

Hale, 31, was arrested as he arrived at Chicago's federal courthouse to face a possible contempt charge for refusing to obey Lefkow's November ruling in a trademark case.

Hale told Reuters before his arrest that the Somalis were "invading" Lewiston, and that the residents of Maine's second-biggest city had welcomed his church's planned rally with open arms.

"The people of Lewiston want us there," said Hale, who claims he receives as many as five positive e-mails a day from local residents. "We've never received the groundswell of support we've gotten from the people of Lewiston."

But Phil Nadeau, Lewiston's assistant city administrator, said he doubted Hale's claims.

"He could say that aliens from Mars want him here, but can he prove it?" Nadeau said. "My impression is there's a significant number of people in this community who don't support him and a handful who do."

He noted that while only 40 or 50 people were expected to turn up for the white supremacists' rally, hundreds -- maybe thousands -- may attend a planned counter-demonstration the same day that will focus on diversity and attempt to show that Lewiston is embracing its newest residents.

For years, the former mill town was simply known as the place where Muhammad Ali flattened Sonny Liston in 1965.

But its booming Somali immigrant community has thrust Lewiston into the spotlight. More than 1,100 Somalis, seeking affordable housing, have moved to the city of 36,000 people in the past year.

[hoosierskypilot]

"..most of them are hypocrites.."

Hypocrite is a word that comes to us from ancient Greek theatre which meant an actor. So, when someone said one thing and then did something entirely different, he (or she) was hypocritical.

When we're talking about patriotism, a hypocrite would be someone who parades the flag, yet behaves in such a way as to destroy our country. In this light, Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, Ted Kennedy, John F. Kennedy, et al, are hypocrites.

The only way it would be possible to be a hypocrite on this thread would be for someone to say, "Let's deport all who are unpatriotic" while themselves, being unpatriotic. I'm guessing that's not the case, here.

It's not hypocritical to say, "If someone doesn't love America, then they are welcome to leave." It's not hypocritical to say, "If someone repeatedly defiles the generosity of America, then let's force them to leave."

You need to be careful about reducing your arguments to mere personal attacks upon those with whom you disagree. That's a fallacious argument called ad hominem abusive and destroys your credibility.

And that's what it's all about, isn't it? Credibility? After all, if no one's listening, then what's the sense in talking.

Have a nice day.

[Catspaw]

You know, hoosierskypilot, I'm surprised you haven't gotten a recruitment freepmail from a member of the WCOTC, National Alliance, or another neo-Nazi group. They're always looking to indoctrinate people like you.

[hoosierskypilot]

First, I want to make it clear that our dialogue is not adversarial. We're simply communicating.

But, I am curious, just exactly what statement of mine to you perceive to be neofascist or racist? Because I want to be very sure I never use that statement again.

But you, on the other hand, sound as if you are in favor of unrestricted, give-em-all-a-big-sloppy-kiss liberal. I don't mean to sound disrespectful, that's just my perception.

Just because the racists are saying we need to severely monitor and limit immigration, does not mean that everyone who says we need to severely limit and monitor immigration is a racist.

After all, if Hale enters a house through the door, does that mean I've got to enter through the window?

[hoosierskypilot]

"Both camps are equally odious, Communists and Nazis alike."

Absolutely correct. Practically speaking, there is no difference between the two, except in theoretical economics, because, for either to succeed necessitates enslaving the populace.

[hoosierskypilot]

By the way, these racist groups to which you allude would be some of the first deported in the government By Hoosierskypilot, For Hoosierskypilot, and Of Hoosierskypilot.

[Catspaw]

I'm not saying your comments are anything. But I also remember when these guys were stealth posters here (and one was posting stuff from the WCOTC website just a few days ago before those posts were pulled and he was banned), and because they'd perceive you were sympathetic to their cause would start a dialog with you via freepmail. It wouldn't be along the lines of "Join The Biggest White Power Group in the World Seig Heil Rahowa," but much more subtle, primarily using first sympathy, understanding and identification with whatever part of their cause you'd express. After they'd rope you in, they'd set the hook. It usually wasn't WCOTC members, but the National Alliance. Of course, with Hale in the hoosegow, the future of the WCOTC, which really wasn't all that big, but noisy, is in doubt. I haven't checked on the National Alliance recently, but I do know since their leader died last year, they may well be in turmoil as well. But they have used FR as a place to recruit in the past. Whether they got any new members from here is unknown.

I will say Jim Robinson has done a commendable job of ferreting them out and banning them, but there have been posters that'll pop up under new screen names repeatedly, usually with a registration date a year or two prior, but with only recent posts.

[Artois]

It is somewhat disheartening that, even on a conservative board such as FR, there are certain posters who will justifiably attack Hale's Nazis with gusto; but who will not go after the counter-protestors who want to see Maine become Somalia North and who are Communist to the bone.

[Poohbah]

They may have expended most of their new user IDs--the latest one to get punted registered today.

[hchutch]

Maybe it hasn't occured to you that even the blind hogs on the left will occasionally find an acorn?

No offense to perfectly good hogs.

*Visions of pork BBQ start to dance*

[Artois]

Two are two possible "acorns" here.

The first is that Matt Hale and his Wizard Creator Council or whatever it is should be scorned. That's cool with me.

The second is that mass immigration from Somalia is a positive for Lewiston, Maine. That's the most ludicrous thing I have ever heard.

[hchutch]

I had item one in mind.

Item two... I think we have to give those people from Somalia a chance. Are you that clairvoyant? You appear to be pretty sure they won't be able to make it here.

[Artois]

That half of them are on welfare is a surefire sign. Also, look at Somalia proper for another indicator. That's not to say that certain individuals won't succeed but as a group I don't have much optimism. Besides, there's no guarantee that they are not Al-Queda sympathizers and I haven't forgotten Black hawk Down.

[Missouri]

>>That half of them are on welfare is a surefire sign.<<


I have an idea. All the people who want to give the Somalis a chance should pay for the Somalis welfare and put Section-8 housing in THEIR own neighboorhoods for the Somalis to move into.

[Artois]

I'd say that about half of our multiculti liberals are dumb enough to do exactly that; the other half are hypocrites.