A Few of FR's Finest....Every Day....1-08-03....It's A Baby, Not A Choice

Billie and daisyscarlett

[daisyscarlett]

A Few of FR's Finest.....
......Every Day

FR is a Treasure Trove of talented, compassionate, patriotic, wonderful people who gather every day to discuss the latest news and issues; salute and support our military and our leaders;  tell a few jokes;  learn a new word;  write poetry;  pray for those in need;  and congratulate those who are deserving. Thank you, Jim Robinson, for giving us the vehicle in which we can express ourselves.

Free Republic made its debut in September, 1996, and the forum was added in early 1997.   I can remember lurking when there were only a few regulars who posted, and now there are over 60,000 who have registered for posting privileges. The forum is read daily by tens of thousands of concerned citizens and patriots from all around the country and the world.

A Few of FR's Finest November 11, 2001

So many people have written me since my original Veteran's Day Tribute, asking how they, or a loved one, could be included in that tribute. Since I can no longer add the photos to the body of the thread, I've been including them in additional posts as I received enough to make another collage.

Still that doesn't seem to be enough. I think there's never been a better nor more appropriate time to keep the faces of our own Veterans and Active Military in front of FReepers--every day! That's why I wanted to do yet another Daily Thread .....ABOUT FReepers .....and FOR FReepers. But not only about our Military FReepers; for all FReepers! Wouldn't it be nice to get to know a few of the other FReepers as well? That's why, in addition to seeing FR's Finest Military Personnel every day, I thought it might be fun to feature a different FReeper (or FReepers) each day. If you would like to be pictured, or know someone who would, please FReepmail me and we'll turn the spotlight - on YOU - for the day!

And do let me know if you'd like your picture added to the groups of Veterans/Active Military below. I will keep this page updated, and continue to add them to the comment section of the original Veteran's Day thread as well.

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TOP: Q6-God, Scan59, Mama Bear and JKPhoto's son, ofMagog.
MIDDLE:  Big'ol_freeper, JustAmy's great uncle, Prodigal Son.
BOTTOM:  JustAmy's husband, JustAmy's brother-in-law, JustAmy's brother.

TOP:  ValerieUSA's son Grant, SK1Thurman, kd5cts, RangerVetNam,
dansangel and .45man's son-in-law Tony
BOTTOM:  rangerX, Old China Hand, Trish, Howlin's dad, Mustang

TOP: ladtx #2 son; DiverDave's twin Don; petuniasevan and husband
poorman; Mustard; ladtx #1 son;
BOTTOM: AlamoGirl's brother Floyd; AG's dad; AG's brother Jim (inset);
WVNan's husband; ladtx Aunt Eva.

We now have eleven groups of veterans/active military; we will post each group of three or four twice a week, with thumbnail/links of the remaining seven or eight groups on each thread. Click on any of the thumbnails below to see the group full-size.

         

GROUP 1A: TOP: Logos, SwedeGirl's hubby, Neil E Wright, FallGuy, 1John, Sneakypete MIDDLE:  T'wit, COB1, LadyX, Dick Bachert, 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub BOTTOM:  YankeeinSC, Delta21, JoeSixPack1

GROUP 2A: TOP:  Bosniajmc, AFVetGal, Archy, A Navy Vet MIDDLE:  4TheFlag, Aeronaut, 68Grunt, Xinga BOTTOM:  Codger, AAABest, Clinton's A Liar, Duke809, dcwusmc

GROUP 3A: TOP:  mc5cents, Norb2569, LBGA's son, VanJenerette MIDDLE:  Jim Robinson, KJenerette, davidosborne, KG9Kid BOTTOM:  gwmoore, Equality7-2521, SAMWolf

GROUP 4A: TOP:  porgygirl, Phil V., MudPuppy, NorCoGOP MIDDLE:  RaceBannon, OneidaM, rdb3, jwTexian BOTTOM:  USMC Vet, TheMayor, Vineyard, rhododogma

         

GROUP 5A: TOP:  spectr17, RightOnline, SERE_Doc, Tet68. MIDDLE:  FutureSnakeEater, RightOnline's wife, CIApilot, Clamper1797. BOTTOM:  usmcobra, onedoug, DiverDave, Joe6-pack.

GROUP 6A: TOP:  g'nad, AgThorn's son Justin, SLB, AgThorn's son Brett. MIDDLE:  fish70, razorback-bert, CheneyChick, Leroy S Mort, Mark17. BOTTOM:  Terry's Take, Taxman, DinkyDau.

GROUP 7A: TOP:  ValerieUSA's son Grant, SK1Thurman, kd5cts, RangerVetNam, dansangel and .45man's son-in-law Tony.BOTTOM:  rangerX, Old China Hand, Trish, Howlin's dad, Mustang.

GROUP 8A: TOP: ohioWfan's son, MamaBear's father-in-law, MamaBear's dad, ladtx. MIDDLE:  The Mayor's niece, M.Kehoe, Beach_Babe's son-in-law. BOTTOM:  deadhead's dad, HiJinx, Severa's hubby, viligantcitizen's granddad.

                     

"There are two ways to live your life.
One is as though nothing is a miracle.
The other is as though everything is a miracle."
Albert Einstein (1879-1955)

ONE OF FR'S FINEST

MHGinTN Freeper since 3-26-00
East TN

MHGinTN, whose screen name is a composite of his initials, M H G, and 'in', and his state of TN, came to FR by way of Lucianne's Website. He was posting there and Lucianne and/or her monitor didn't want anti-abortion rhetoric flowing there, so he left to visit the site Ms Goldberg recommended as a conservative website for current news and events, Free Republic.

MHGinTN is an anti-abortion on demand activist. We were curious as to how, why and when he became pro-life and he explained it "in his own words".

"For some folks, becoming pro-life is a growing process, rather than an 'ah hah' phenomenon. A growing urgency to support nascent life it has been for me."

"As a pharmaceutical sales person, back in the eighties, I was assigned the job of selling contraceptive pills and IUD's. Even as trained sales reps, we were not given the whole truth, that the pills and IUD's act to terminate already begun pregnancies. When a physician friend and fellow Christian explained the full truth to me, I was no longer able in good conscience to sell those products and went to my district mananger with my problem. He was also a Christian, but had less problem with supporting these products ... this ambiguity glared at me from the start and was some of the impetus for my further efforts to reveal the truth regarding individual womb-bound human life. He took my case to the G.D.Searle upper management, who 'laid me off', putting me on unemployment comp for a time. Within weeks, I had found another position in college textbook sales ... a position that lasted a bit over two years before I was back in pharmaceuticals working for Schering/Plough as a cardiovascular sales specialist."

"Not supporting the earliest forms of abortifacient methods caused a fair amount of upheaval with my family, but it was a matter of conviction not based on anything definitive in science. It was the tension within the family that drove me onward, to dig deeper for the full facts regarding nascent life in the womb. I don't believe a truly pro-life person could ever turn to a pro-choice person because of the truth regarding individual human life in the womb ... "

After MHGinTN "dug deeper" and discovered the full facts regarding nascent life in the womb, he shared his knowledge by writing a pamphlet and delivering speeches on the subject.

"Not long after I was laid off from my Searle sales position, I wrote a summary booklet defining the different methods of contraception and abortion, explaining in the process what I had learned regarding early abortifacients. This booklet is now held, as I understand it, at the Criswell Bible Institute in Texas, not because it is so definitive but because my Christian physician friend wanted the facts on file for future reference from a semi-professional source for use by Christian students."

"My opportunities to speak before young people regarding abortion arose naturally since I was teaching Bible Study to teens at the Baptist Church I attended, at the time of my departure from Searle. Years later, the opportunity to speak to High School students became available, as long as no religious perspective was offered with the information on abortion."

MHGinTN wrote many letters to political leaders in a vain attempt to gain political support to reform the country's abortion policies.

"During the Clinton terms, I wrote letters to congressional people and the president, seeking reform in our nation's abortion policy. When Clinton vetoed the partial birth abortion ban, I gave up on any Democrat cooperation."

"Al Gore's turnabout is most damning of his political pragmatism and his dead heart, in my honest opinion."

MHGinTN has a link to letters that can be sent to editors of local newspapers regarding abortion. They are offered for anyone to copy in response to FReepers who have requested help wording letters to better their chances of getting printed.

LINK TO ABORTION LETTERS FILE

"During the lead-up to the 2000 election cycle, I composed several letters that dealt with the various aspects of our nation's abortion policy. Originally, I was sending letters to the editors of newspapers in Tennessee and Southwestern Virginia. As these papers published the letters for their 'controversy' potential, folks at FreeRepublic began to pick these letters up and send them under their names to their local papers; a brave move on their part that I completely embrace ... it is our nation that is killing its posterity with abortion on demand and that's what we the people must change if we are to survive as a free and prosperous country, and beacon to the rest of the floundering world."

As has been noted in the past, often times original ideas, opinions and conclusions expressed on FR end up in the mainstream press and usually with no attribution to FR. Therefore, MHGinTN was not surprised to see a storyline on Law and Order-SVU remarkably similar to a story written by him that was posted on Free Republic. We will let him tell you about this "in his own words".

"I am currently trying to get a novel finished that deals with embryonic stem cell research, cloning, abortion, and harvesting of fetal tissues for medical cures. Jim Robinson allowed the short story version to be posted in RJayneJ's FR file and it remained there for several weeks until removed by me to work on the novel version. I suspect that someone writing for the TV series 'Law and Order, SVU' read the short story and used it as the basis for an episode that aired on November 15th of 2002. LINK TO L&O-SVU 11/15/02 Episode

"The writers did an exemplary job of presenting the gnarl of issues without openly coming down on one side or the other. Though no one at L&O asked for permission to use the story line so liberally, I wouldn't fault them for it ... I think it's way past time for the truth to begin getting out to the general populace. The story so skillfully presented in short form by L&O only serves to open the door to the thought processes necessary for confronting the heinous truth regarding abortion and the wrongheaded exploitation of individual human life for 'fun'(science is fun in most cases) and profit, huge profits!"

MHGinTN also writes fiction.

"My main efforts are directed to novels. I'm finishing EVIL INTERRUPTED, I have another novel, TREE OF LIFE, that I plan a sequel for, and I have a series of three novels in the 'freelance vigilante crimefighter' genre. So far, I've not used the time or energy to seek publication of my novels (I write because I enjoy it and feel compelled to do it, strangely enough), but it is time for EVIL INTERRUPTED to be shopped for publication ... the information and story line are, at last, potentially important for this nation, in my honest opinion.

"Maybe our nation is about to awaken to the chilling truth of an immense holocaust; perhaps we can avoid going down a decidedly inhumane road where individual human life is created solely for harvesting exploitation. I don't fancy my beautiful granddaughter living in a nation where modern cannibalism is the basis for health."

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MHGinTN, we applaud you for your tireless efforts and sensible approach for the pro-life movement.

Enjoy Your Day, MHGinTN!
You are One of FR's Finest!

THIS WEEK'S THREADS 1-06-03 Budge 1-07-03 HairOfTheDog

Opinions by our own 'King of Ping' The guy's good, folks!

Thanks, Mixer!

1) Click on the graphic to open the Calendar.
2) Once there you can click on any month and even click to the right to go into next year. Once you are in the month that you joined FR you will need to click on the number in the calendar and then an add item screen will come up.
3) In the next box enter your name in the "Calendar Text" field and then click on submit.
4) If any of the screens fail to load simply click on refresh in your browser and that will usually fix it.
5) If all else fails or simply if you want me to do this for you send me an FReepmail and I will gladly do it for you. ~Mixer

[Mixer]

Hey Daisy.....

Yeah I will miss mine after this weekend as well. My wife and I discussed the possibility of leaving the tree up until Valentines Day and then decorating it with hearts ; )


LOL

[Mixer]

dansy..... I am here, it's just that I am not reading all of the thread due to time restraints. I am checking for replies though so thanks for doing do.

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[Aquamarine]

Billie you're welcome to that photo. It's in my storage. I reduced the size of it by about half...it's huge!

[ST.LOUIE1]

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Ahhhhhh....my little Dansy is here. : )

I missed you yesterday! Your "homework" is to go back and read yesterday's thread! LOL!!!

LOL I did, and I owe you a huge AhhhhRooooo! : )

Hope you are having a great week! :-)

Sure am, thanks, how about you? : )

((((((((((((((((Dansy))))))))))))))))))

Bet you are now. LOL

[ST.LOUIE1]

I'm drooling here at the thought of Clarence Thomas or Anthony Scalia as Chief Justice....

That makes two of us. Wow!

[MHGinTN]

May I take advantage of this FR honor to address your thoughtful post?...
This is an issue where I can really see why both sides feel so passionately. ... I've never been able to be an activist about it because I've just never been certain in certain cases like those shadow areas of rape victims etc -- what I call "tough cases." ... Seems like the whole world has a clear view on the tough cases such as rape or incest except me. My church certainly does. ... It made me wonder: I wonder how long it will be until there is social consensus on this issue. Will it ever happen? In my lifetime? In your grandchildren's? What do you think? 46 posted by FreeTheHostages It has taken decades to reach the point where we regularly kill 1.3 million of our own posterity each year! The rejection of that trend will take time.

I do so value your honesty on these 'tough' cases; if the vast majority of our fellow Americans were so honest and daring of heart to address these points, the largest number of abortions would be avoided and literally millions of newly conceived individual human beings would join us in citizenship. And therein is a tale, the welcoming of life, regardless of the odds stacked against a little one.

Paul Harvey did a piece on the following story; I'll try to paraphrase as best I can, from faint memory. [Feel free to add details, folks, I don't have perfect recall.] What would today's doctors advise a pregnant woman suffering with a 'sexually transmitted disease', a history of miscarriages and two less than healthy previous children, and poverty in the household with eight(?) siblings for the preborn she carries?... Kill the unfortunate unborn child, in most cases today. Is that to avoid suffering for the child, improve the family setting, or avoid responsibility for the society at large in which this 'loser' child will dwell? Beethoven's mother gave life support to him as such a child ... his odds for birth were better than a preborn of today. Sometimes I wonder whether our expectations and our loving welcome (or lack thereof) has something to do with the eventual life lived by the newly arriving children.

FTH, our society will likely step back from our current horrific reality, in stages, with large steps, hopefully. The issues you raise are very important to the step-wise reversal of our abortion on deamnd culture.

In a perfect nation, we would welcome and protect EVERY newly conceived individual human being. The case of balancing a newly conceived life with a woman's rights who has been criminally assaulted is only a difficult case because of our weak affirmation of life. We affirm the woman's plight but prefer to pass on the plight of a newly conceived individual ... though conceptions from rapes is a very small statistic, I was just so conceived, but my blessed Mother chose to affirm life when she found she was giving life support to me; as she has told me, there was never a point when she considered my life expendable after she discovered she had conceived me in her womb. Of course I didn't learn of these facts until later in life, but her affirmation made her stronger even though I wasn't the easiest child to care for.

The issue really is 'how many individual human beings are involved in any legal decision contemplated, and we ought include the unborn individual in our calculations. Sadly, our current state of law doesn't fully recognize the humanity of the preborn, though historically it was a given not even up for debate.

We are working to change things, step by painful step, to not only return to our previous affirmation, but to go beyond that historical marker now that we have so much more evidence of the individuality of the preborn.

"... I've just never been certain in certain cases like those shadow areas of rape victims ..." Realizing that law will not ban abortion in such cases as rape and perhaps incest, I would offer that we could, at the very least, state a ban for terminating newly conceived innocent individual life after the eighth week, thus changing our perspective to life support for individuals, the responsibility of which befits the society when a woman cannot continue life support beyond the birthday.

If you think about it, the concept of 'life support' is already ingrained in our law ... fathers are mandated by courts to provide life support to their children and women are required by law to provide life support for crib-bound individual humans ... and it's far easier and shorter period to provide life support for an infant in the womb than one in a crib.

I sympathize with your conflicted thoughts on these tough issues, but the best I can offer is a kind of schizophrenia, where your heart holds ALL conceived individual human life as sacred, while your mind deals with the realities of allowing some abortion because of the hardness of our collective hearts.

[ST.LOUIE1]

Good morning, Saint and King. :) I love the new logo for "My Two Cents", Louie!
Did you hug him yet, John? :) He works for hugs, you know. LOL!

Gulp!!!! Don't be startin' rumors, BillieBlue! A 'handshake' would suffice.

(((((((((((((WOLFIE)))))))))))))

Love those wimmen hugs. : )

[MeekOneGOP]

Something for all the Eggheads to ponder...

First speed of gravity measurement revealed
NewScientist.com ^ | 01/07/2003 | Ed Fomalont and Sergei Kopeikin

Excerpt:

We became the first two people to know the speed of gravity, one of the fundamental constants of nature," the scientists say, in an article in New Scientist print edition. One important consequence of the result is that it places constraints on theories of "brane worlds", which suggest the Universe has more spatial dimensions than the familiar three.

John Baez, a physicist from the University of California at Riverside, comments: "Einstein wins yet again." He adds that any other result would have come as a shock.

[dansangel]

I would hold both of y'alls', too! :-)

[MHGinTN]

I'm in Johnson City, Pippin'. My Father was once the principle of Boones Creek School (had all grades back then).

[dansangel]

!!!!!!!WOW!!!!!!!!!

[pant, pant....fanning self....]

That hug was a knock-out!!!!

I need to miss seeing you for a day more often.....NOT!!! ;-)

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[dansangel]

Awwww....thank-you Mixer for the double-hugs! :-)

Uh, you DID say your tree was artifical, right? (I get worried about trees drying out!)

If so, I'm sure you could decorate it for ALL of the holidays! LOL! Let's see, you could put eggs on it for Easter, American Flags for Memorial Day, more flags and some sparklers for 4th of July....well, you get the idea! LOL!! :-)

[MHGinTN]

Rakish rascal! They are beauties though, eh? FR women are all the more impressive as talented, good-hearted, and lovely. [When you get my age, you see into their souls, and the outside shapes and curves diminish in importance. FR has good women, strong women, inspiring women. What a world it would be, if ... sigh.]

[ST.LOUIE1]

!!!!!!!WOW!!!!!!!!!

LOL!

[pant, pant....fanning self....]
That hug was a knock-out!!!!

Calm yourself, dansy. : )

I need to miss seeing you for a day more often.....NOT!!! ;-)

Whew! maybe we'd better go to *freepmail*? LOL!!!!!

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Another one! I'm dizzy! But keep 'em comin'. : )

[Pippin]

Johnson City!

Hey! Right around my Dad's neck of the woods :^)

Ever heard of Limestone or Chucky Doak (spelling?)

Dad was born in Limestone and grew up around the Davey Crockett birthplace.

He went to Washington College wich is really a high school.

I have an aunt who lives in Greeneville and my cousin lives in Knoxville.

Two other aunts live in Limestone.

[Mo1]

Congrats MHGinTN on being FR's Finest

I think every debate about abortion should start with a simple declaration by everyone involved as to when they believe life starts or at what point do they believe an embryo should be considered a child. I say this bec I believe that most women who have bought into the "right to chose" have NEVER honestly asked themselves this question, and perhaps more important, try not to for fear of their own answer. If you could just get them to seperate their thinking from the sirens for just a few minutes

Lee'sGhost ... That is an excellant point .. if only they would stop for a moment and ask themselves

Here is my youngest when I was 3 1/2 months pregnant

And here she is 2 years later

I still don't understand how the Pro-Choice crowd can decide when life starts

To me .. all my children are my life

[Mixer]

If so, I'm sure you could decorate it for ALL of the holidays! LOL! Let's see, you could put eggs on it for Easter, American Flags for Memorial Day, more flags and some sparklers for 4th of July....well, you get the idea! LOL!! :-)

That was what I was saying to my wife....too funny!

[FreeTheHostages]

Thank you so much for your thoughful post. I had hoped not to offend but to receive guidance, because this issue (although you're right, it's a very small percentage of abortions) is one that troubles me.

Just to make sure I understand, when you write while your mind deals with the realities of allowing some abortion because of the hardness of our collective hearts, you do mean in the short run, right? I guess one way to look at this is that in the long, we'd live in a society where it was so very clear that rape was not a stigma for the rape victim -- only for the rapist -- that women weren't traumatized so much by the idea of carrying their babies to term.

I also whole-heartedly agree with you that such issues, which I find hard, have to be placed in the greater context: most unwanted pregnancies are not of this sort and abortion-on-demand probably just decreases the level of care and preparation people take generally with their pregnancies (e.g., getting married). And that also affects the early child welfare of the infants that are born. It's very very disputable that the pro-abortion people are right to suggest that abortion-on-demand maximizes the welfare in even the short run of children that are born. Abortion-on-demand discourages marriage, and the institution of marriage has a most salutorious effect on the early years.

Thanks very much for your post. I plan to read it repeatedly today.

[Pippin]

(((((((LOUIE))))))))!

Hugs from the world's cutest hobbit!

[ST.LOUIE1]

Rakish rascal! They are beauties though, eh? FR women are all the more impressive as talented, good-hearted, and lovely.

They surely are! And all have a really great sense of humor....why else would they put up with my hug fettish and wolfish ways ? : )

[When you get my age, you see into their souls, and the outside shapes and curves diminish in importance.
FR has good women, strong women, inspiring women.

I'm sure you're right, MHG, but I'm not looking forward to the 'curves' diminishing. : )

What a world it would be, if ... sigh.]

Maybe someday.