Posted on 12/27/2002 6:50:38 AM PST by yankeedame
Friday, December 27, 2002
Lincoln statue won't be embraced by all
The Associated Press
RICHMOND, Va. - Abraham Lincoln is returning to the capital of the Confederacy, much to the chagrin of the Sons of Confederate Veterans.
Five days before the Civil War ended in April 1865, the president and his youngest child, Tad, traveled to still-smoldering Richmond soon after Southern forces abandoned the city in flames. On April 5, 2003, the 138th anniversary of that visit, a bronze statue of the pair commissioned by the United States Historical Society will be unveiled at the Civil War Visitor Center of the National Park Service.
"Here is a national hero, a small boy, and a beautiful city by the James River, all united again," said Robert Kline, chairman of the nonprofit group society, which works on behalf of museums and other groups on projects of historic and artistic value. "This time Lincoln's in Richmond for all time."
Richmond, home to towering statues of Confederacy figures including Robert E. Lee, Stonewall Jackson and J.E.B. Stuart, was abandoned after Union forces led by Gen. Ulysses S. Grant attacked on April 2, 1965.
The Sons of Confederate Veterans view the Lincoln statue as "a slap in the face of a lot of brave men and women who went through four years of unbelievable hell fighting an invasion of Virginia led by President Lincoln," Brag Bowling, the SCV Virginia commander, said Thursday. The group had only recently learned of the statue, and had no immediate plans to protest.
The life-size statue by sculptor David Frech will show Lincoln and his son on a bench against a granite wall. The words "To Bind Up The Nation's Wounds" will be etched into a capstone.
Oh, there's guilt for the North too, just less guilt for the North. It's a matter of degree.
Your closer to God than I am. Tell me, does he have a beard, and a loud booming voice? Is he really black, or a white guy from up north like we always knew?
Read some of the copperhead papers of the time and see what they thought.
Remember the victors write the history except in the 2oth century.
You show your true spirit with this comment.
I'll tell you an' the rest of them yankees wut. Ya'll jus' go on bring yur Mister Abrehim Lincon dolly down har an sit him on our wall. An' you know wut we gonna' do? We gawn bitch an' moan an' make awl kinna noise 'cuz we ur be-in victomized by yankee agression agin!
An' then we go say, "yessir mistuh boss man Yankee, sir. Its awl my fawlt. I know that. Them Farakan fellers on that cummunity channel is right. We-uns ain't nuthin' but pure-tee evil white deevils. Ah'm sorry I ain't payin enuf taxes. How 'bout some of that there repuration money? You want some that? Here, you can have awl you want-IN CONFEDERATE MONEY! Then yew kin kiss my johnny reb ...!
But don't yew wurry about yer precious Lincun dolly, we lernt back in '65, not to do nuthin' but talk!
We jus ain't figured out why ya'll think we need taught agin every day over one thing or another.
Here is something you may find interesting. Note the date.
Revelation and prophecy on war, given through Joseph Smith the Prophet, December 25, 1832. HC 1: 301302. This section was received at a time when the brethren were reflecting and reasoning upon African slavery on the American continent and the slavery of the children of men throughout the world.
14, War foretold between the Northern States and the Southern States; 58, Great calamities shall fall upon all the inhabitants of the earth.
VERILY, thus saith the Lord concerning the awars that will bshortly come to pass, beginning at the rebellion of cSouth Carolina, which will eventually terminate in the death and misery of many souls;
And the atime will come that bwar will be poured out upon all nations, beginning at this place.
For behold, the Southern States shall be divided against the Northern States, and the Southern States will call on other nations, even the nation of Great Britain, as it is called, and they shall also call upon other nations, in order to defend themselves against other nations; and then awar shall be poured out upon all nations.
And it shall come to pass, after many days, aslaves shall rise up against their masters, who shall be marshaled and disciplined for war.
And it shall come to pass also that the aremnants who are left of the land will marshal themselves, and shall become exceedingly angry, and shall vex the Gentiles with a sore vexation.
And thus, with the asword and by bloodshed the inhabitants of the earth shall bmourn; and with cfamine, and plague, and earthquake, and the thunder of heaven, and the fierce and vivid lightning also, shall the inhabitants of the earth be made to feel the wrath, and indignation, and dchastening ehand of an Almighty God, until the consumption decreed hath made a full fend of all gnations;
That the cry of the saints, and of the ablood of the saints, shall cease to come up into the ears of the Lord of bSabaoth, from the earth, to be avenged of their enemies.
Wherefore, astand ye in holy places, and be not moved, until the day of the Lord come; for behold, it cometh bquickly, saith the Lord. Amen.
On that I can agree. Let's see, 1853 Illinois law banning blacks from living in the state and 1859 Oregon constitution banning blacks from living in the state are two that come to mind. Their idea of banning slavery was to ban blacks from even living in the state. That was mighty hospitable of them.
Of course this doesn't cover the movement, led in Illinois by men like lincoln, called the African Colonization Society. Or does it cover the less than 200,000 members of the Abolitionist Party at the beginning of the war, out of a nation of 20 million people.
LOL, more people in the north were more concerned it seems with not living near blacks than freeing them. Yeah, a real paragon of virtue those yankees. < /sarcasm>
I've seen numerous quotes he's provided to back-up his point of view. He's been a valuable contributor (With very little, if any flames) to this thread. With all due respect, I've not seen you provide as many documented peices of information on this thread. Not even in the same ballpark.
A differing point of view does not a "Troll" make. Even IF he shows up on every thread and disagrees with the same people.
Ps...I've never seen the person I'm defending post before I saw him in this thread...Just in case you're wondering.
I only wanted to see if your opinion has changed, but as I said on the first thread. We shall see.
That's funny, but it is also innaccurate and (I think) deliberately provocative. Them bastards fought like hell, and in the process kicked Yankee ass up and down the board.
It's still funny.
LOL!!
Just so you know...
I think more than one "Defender of the South" on this thread is a cold, hard RACIST. I think they are here straight from Stormfront.com, or where ever.
Do I have any proof? Nope. Will I name names? Nope (The "no proof" problem). Can I set here and give specific examples followed by my reasoning for thinking someone might be a cold, hard RACIST? Maybe, but probably not in a convincing manor. And definately not convincing enough to win an argument on the best forum on the internet.
I just "Think it". And that's about the best I can offer...Anyone intersted can take that or leave it. I am simply giving my opinion. And hopefully, someone a lot better at all this than I am, can "out" those who are racist and get them off this fine site once and for all.
We'll see...
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.