Statue of Abe Lincoln: "...a slap in the face of a lot of brave men..."

The Cincinnati Enquirer ^ | Friday, December 27, 2002 | AP

[yankeedame]

Friday, December 27, 2002

Lincoln statue won't be embraced by all

The Associated Press

RICHMOND, Va. - Abraham Lincoln is returning to the capital of the Confederacy, much to the chagrin of the Sons of Confederate Veterans.

Five days before the Civil War ended in April 1865, the president and his youngest child, Tad, traveled to still-smoldering Richmond soon after Southern forces abandoned the city in flames. On April 5, 2003, the 138th anniversary of that visit, a bronze statue of the pair commissioned by the United States Historical Society will be unveiled at the Civil War Visitor Center of the National Park Service.

"Here is a national hero, a small boy, and a beautiful city by the James River, all united again," said Robert Kline, chairman of the nonprofit group society, which works on behalf of museums and other groups on projects of historic and artistic value. "This time Lincoln's in Richmond for all time."

Richmond, home to towering statues of Confederacy figures including Robert E. Lee, Stonewall Jackson and J.E.B. Stuart, was abandoned after Union forces led by Gen. Ulysses S. Grant attacked on April 2, 1965.

The Sons of Confederate Veterans view the Lincoln statue as "a slap in the face of a lot of brave men and women who went through four years of unbelievable hell fighting an invasion of Virginia led by President Lincoln," Brag Bowling, the SCV Virginia commander, said Thursday. The group had only recently learned of the statue, and had no immediate plans to protest.

The life-size statue by sculptor David Frech will show Lincoln and his son on a bench against a granite wall. The words "To Bind Up The Nation's Wounds" will be etched into a capstone.

[talleyman]

LOL!

[talleyman]

"After the war the North passed the Civil Rights Act of 1866"

Wonder why the South in Reconstruction didn't jump at the chance?

[Petronski]

Iniquities of the South? The same were practiced in the North. The same were introduced to the South by the North. Yet, no guilt for the North? Why?

Oh, there's guilt for the North too, just less guilt for the North. It's a matter of degree.

[laotzu]

"The Lord knows the hearts of Men"

Your closer to God than I am. Tell me, does he have a beard, and a loud booming voice? Is he really black, or a white guy from up north like we always knew?

[CyberCowboy777]

First off, the South never said that slavery was immoral, freeing the salves was forced upon them. What they may or may not have done if left on their own is not relevant. They missed their opportunity the day of succession without complete freedom.

Second, most of the North was long working towards a reasoned and thought out plan for the abolishment of slavery. The only reason that the more painful forced process was use in the south was because of the War.

Thirdly, You will not ever accuse me of condoning or participating in slavery. You are the worst type of human if you must revert to placing a scourge of humanity on me in order to argue. I have plainly said that Slavery was wrong.

I have spoke only of the Christians in the North and abroad who fought the practice of slavery and of the Leadership of the South who were too stupid to see the ground swell of support for the North because of their endorsement of slavery in the CSA and the expansion of slavery into the territories.

Christians have called slavery immoral for over 2000 years. Those that condone slavery and called themselves Christians were either not so or ignorant of the teachings of Christ. At the time of and preceding The War the Body of Christ was very much involved in the abolishment of slavery of any kind.

The North had many more who voiced and prayed true freedom than the South and the South lost.

Lastly you arrogant SOB, I have never disparaged the people of the south nor claimed superiority. The War had wrongs on both sides and the lost of life was not necessary. However the CSA were MORE wrong and Lost.

[dts32041]

Actually it wasn't the worse thing, if the assisnation had occured in 64 or 63 the rats would have rolled over much as they do today and negotiate for a truce.

Read some of the copperhead papers of the time and see what they thought.

Remember the victors write the history except in the 2oth century.

[CyberCowboy777]

Your closer to God than I am. Tell me, does he have a beard, and a loud booming voice? Is he really black, or a white guy from up north like we always knew?

You show your true spirit with this comment.

[putupon]

Do you still claim the rebs won't vandalize this statue?

I'll tell you an' the rest of them yankees wut. Ya'll jus' go on bring yur Mister Abrehim Lincon dolly down har an sit him on our wall. An' you know wut we gonna' do? We gawn bitch an' moan an' make awl kinna noise 'cuz we ur be-in victomized by yankee agression agin!

An' then we go say, "yessir mistuh boss man Yankee, sir. Its awl my fawlt. I know that. Them Farakan fellers on that cummunity channel is right. We-uns ain't nuthin' but pure-tee evil white deevils. Ah'm sorry I ain't payin enuf taxes. How 'bout some of that there repuration money? You want some that? Here, you can have awl you want-IN CONFEDERATE MONEY! Then yew kin kiss my johnny reb ...!

But don't yew wurry about yer precious Lincun dolly, we lernt back in '65, not to do nuthin' but talk!

We jus ain't figured out why ya'll think we need taught agin every day over one thing or another.

[LexBaird]

The Lord knows the hearts of Men

Here is something you may find interesting. Note the date.

THE DOCTRINE AND COVENANTS

SECTION 87

Revelation and prophecy on war, given through Joseph Smith the Prophet, December 25, 1832. HC 1: 301—302. This section was received at a time when the brethren were reflecting and reasoning upon African slavery on the American continent and the slavery of the children of men throughout the world.

1—4, War foretold between the Northern States and the Southern States; 5—8, Great calamities shall fall upon all the inhabitants of the earth.

 VERILY, thus saith the Lord concerning the ^awars^• that will ^bshortly^• come to pass, beginning at the rebellion of ^cSouth^• Carolina, which will eventually terminate in the death and misery of many souls;

 And the ^atime will come that ^bwar^• will be poured out upon all nations, beginning at this place.

 For behold, the Southern States shall be divided against the Northern States, and the Southern States will call on other nations, even the nation of Great Britain, as it is called, and they shall also call upon other nations, in order to defend themselves against other nations; and then ^awar^• shall be poured out upon all nations.

 And it shall come to pass, after many days, ^aslaves^• shall rise up against their masters, who shall be marshaled and disciplined for war.

 And it shall come to pass also that the ^aremnants^• who are left of the land will marshal themselves, and shall become exceedingly angry, and shall vex the Gentiles with a sore vexation.

 And thus, with the ^asword^• and by bloodshed the inhabitants of the earth shall ^bmourn^•; and with ^cfamine^•, and plague, and earthquake, and the thunder of heaven, and the fierce and vivid lightning also, shall the inhabitants of the earth be made to feel the wrath, and indignation, and ^dchastening ^ehand^• of an Almighty God, until the consumption decreed hath made a full ^fend of all ^gnations^•;

 That the cry of the saints, and of the ^ablood^• of the saints, shall cease to come up into the ears of the Lord of ^bSabaoth^•, from the earth, to be avenged of their enemies.

 Wherefore, ^astand^• ye in holy places, and be not moved, until the day of the Lord come; for behold, it cometh ^bquickly^•, saith the Lord. Amen.

[CyberCowboy777]

Are you ignoring the 20 years before Lincoln?

Fighting for the preservation of slavery is well documented and it is on the part of the South.

I do not care what other issues the CSA fought for, preservation of slavery was one of them and it was evil.

[billbears]

20 years before the Civil War the North was working in Government and in private to stop the spread of slavery

On that I can agree. Let's see, 1853 Illinois law banning blacks from living in the state and 1859 Oregon constitution banning blacks from living in the state are two that come to mind. Their idea of banning slavery was to ban blacks from even living in the state. That was mighty hospitable of them.

Of course this doesn't cover the movement, led in Illinois by men like lincoln, called the African Colonization Society. Or does it cover the less than 200,000 members of the Abolitionist Party at the beginning of the war, out of a nation of 20 million people.

LOL, more people in the north were more concerned it seems with not living near blacks than freeing them. Yeah, a real paragon of virtue those yankees. < /sarcasm>

[Senator Pardek]

The South = BBQ-eating surrender monkeys.

[Johnny Shear]

Sorry, Walt is a troll. He beelines for these threads so he can stir up the nest. As best I can yell, it's the ONLY thing he does. He contributes nothing of value that I can see.

I've seen numerous quotes he's provided to back-up his point of view. He's been a valuable contributor (With very little, if any flames) to this thread. With all due respect, I've not seen you provide as many documented peices of information on this thread. Not even in the same ballpark.

A differing point of view does not a "Troll" make. Even IF he shows up on every thread and disagrees with the same people.

Ps...I've never seen the person I'm defending post before I saw him in this thread...Just in case you're wondering.

[Petronski]

That's a very cleverly-constructed strawman, but you assume much about me that is neither in evidence nor accurate at all. We have a very strong reaction in this thread to the presence of the statue (even a fella in #9 who said the only flaw with Booth's plan was the delay in getting it done). I think the statue will see repeated vandalism (anti-Yankee vandalism), and you disagree in the strongest possible terms.

I only wanted to see if your opinion has changed, but as I said on the first thread. We shall see.

[Cogadh na Sith]

Oh that's going to make you some friends....

[LexBaird]

Sorry about all the hyperlinks in the above post. I don't know enough HTML to edit it thoroughly.

[Senator Pardek]

"Friends"? What's that?

[Petronski]

The South = BBQ-eating surrender monkeys.

That's funny, but it is also innaccurate and (I think) deliberately provocative. Them bastards fought like hell, and in the process kicked Yankee ass up and down the board.

It's still funny.

[Johnny Shear]

But..before I interrupted..you were making a point involving 'Inbred Morons'; please continue....

LOL!!

Just so you know...

I think more than one "Defender of the South" on this thread is a cold, hard RACIST. I think they are here straight from Stormfront.com, or where ever.

Do I have any proof? Nope. Will I name names? Nope (The "no proof" problem). Can I set here and give specific examples followed by my reasoning for thinking someone might be a cold, hard RACIST? Maybe, but probably not in a convincing manor. And definately not convincing enough to win an argument on the best forum on the internet.

I just "Think it". And that's about the best I can offer...Anyone intersted can take that or leave it. I am simply giving my opinion. And hopefully, someone a lot better at all this than I am, can "out" those who are racist and get them off this fine site once and for all.

We'll see...

[talleyman]

Please re-read #240. We all agree slavery was evil - in both the North and the South. The Southern fixation with preserving it was a direct result of some in the North seeking to force its abolition in the South and the Territories. "Because you demand it, I refuse it." (cf Post #240.) The North hated slavery so much they couldn't get their hands on enough tobacco and cotton.