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Supreme Court Rejects Gun Rights for Felons
Newsmax.com ^ | Wednesday, Dec. 11, 2002 | Newsmax.com wires

Posted on 12/23/2002 6:37:45 AM PST by jjm2111

The Supreme Court on Tuesday made it harder, if not impossible, for federal courts to restore gun rights to felons who have served their time. The action came in the case of a Texas gun dealer.

The case before the justices contains what may be a textbook example of congressional split personality.

Congress gave the authority to the Treasury Department in 1965 to restore gun rights to felons. But for the last decade, in annual appropriations laws, Congress has prohibited Treasury from acting to restore those gun rights.

The case put the Bush administration in the unusual position of arguing for a limitation on an American's right to own a firearm.

In two recent unrelated cases, the U.S. Solicitor General's Office has told the Supreme Court in briefs that individuals have a Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms.

Though the Supreme Court has never ruled on that constitutional right, the administration's position represented a departure from those of past administrations.

In the Texas gun rights case, however, a top Justice Department lawyer argued in October that Congress has shown an express desire not to let felons have weapons, even if the felons represent no threat to the public safety and even if Congress has not revoked the law giving the Treasury Department the authority to restore firearms rights.

Because Congress has made its will clear, the administration argued, the courts have no right to interfere.

For many years, federal law has made it illegal for felons to transport, possess or receive firearms and ammunition.

In 1965, Congress enacted a federal law authorizing the Treasury secretary, through the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, to restore firearms rights to felons if they were not "dangerous to public safety" and if the restoration of such rights was not "contrary to the public interest."

However, in 1992 the non-profit Violence Policy Center released a study showing that ATF had approved about a third of the 22,000 requests from felons for restoration of gun rights.

The ATF later conceded that 69 of the felons who had been granted restoration of gun rights had been re-arrested for crimes such as attempted murder, first-degree sexual assault, kidnapping, child molestation, illegal possession of a machine gun and drug trafficking.

Since that revelation, Congress has told the Treasury Department in annual appropriations laws that it may not spend money to act on requests from felons who want their firearms rights restored.

The Case

Then came the case of Thomas Lamar Bean.

A Treasury-licensed gun dealer, Bean attended a gun show in Laredo, Texas, in March 1998. Afterward, Bean and three associates decided to have dinner across the border in Nuevo Laredo, Mexico.

Bean asked his assistants to remove all guns and ammunition from his car. Unfortunately, they forgot to remove about 200 rounds of ammunition in the back seat.

The car was stopped at the border, and Mexican officials charged Bean with introducing ammunition into Mexico, a felony.

After being held in custody for nearly two months, Bean was tried and sentenced to five years in prison. He remained in a Mexican prison for only four months because of a treaty between the United States and Mexico allowing for the exchange of each country's imprisoned citizens.

Under the treaty, Mexicans are allowed to serve their time in Mexican prisons and Americans are allowed to serve their time in this country.

Bean was transferred to a prison in Texas, where he was released by a federal judge and placed on 10 months of probation.

When he applied to have his firearms rights restored, however, he received a form letter from Treasury saying it did not have the authority to act on his request.

Bean took his case to federal court. There the same federal judge who had freed him from prison ruled that just because Congress had tied the ATF's hands, it did not mean that firearms rights could not be restored.

The judge ruled that the prohibition was not meant to be used against like Bean, who should never have lost his rights in the first place.

The judge ruled that ATF's inaction in response to Bean's request was equivalent to a denial of his request. Under federal law, a U.S. court can review denials by federal agencies.

The judge also concluded that Bean, then 60, was no threat to anyone and restoring his rights would not be "contrary to the public interest." When a federal appeals court agreed, the Bush administration asked the Supreme Court to review, and the justices heard argument in October.

Tuesday, a unanimous Supreme Court reversed the lower courts.

Speaking for the entire court, Justice Clarence Thomas said the absence of a application denial by the ATF "precludes judicial review" by a federal judge, according to U.S. law.

Federal gun law "leads us to conclude that an actual adverse action on the application by ATF is a prerequisite for judicial review," Thomas said.

Copyright 2002 by United Press International.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: banglist; constitution; gun; rights; scotus
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I don't thik this was posted before. In short, the "felon" in question was the gun dealer who was committing the "crime" of having one box of shotgun shells in his truck while in Mexico. I think this decision was buried in the back pages.

More and more I'm thinking GWB & Co. does not really care about gun rights. I got a link to this article from the newsletter put out by the The Sight M1911 . It's really good site for 1911 enthusiasts.

1 posted on 12/23/2002 6:37:45 AM PST by jjm2111
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Gun rights erode at the rate of 100 MPH under dems and 25 mph under the pubbies imo
2 posted on 12/23/2002 6:42:06 AM PST by joesnuffy
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Convicted felons should do like G. Gordon Liddy who
says, "as a convicted felon, I cannot and do not own
any firearms.....but my wife has one hell of a collection...."

3 posted on 12/23/2002 6:44:36 AM PST by TRY ONE
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"Convicted felons should do like G. Gordon Liddy who says, "as a convicted felon, I cannot and do not own any firearms.....but my wife has one hell of a collection...."

Is that legal?

4 posted on 12/23/2002 6:51:50 AM PST by Kerberos
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To: jjm2111
"However, in 1992 the non-profit Violence Policy Center released a study showing that ATF had approved about a third of the 22,000 requests from felons for restoration of gun rights. The ATF later conceded that 69 of the felons who had been granted restoration of gun rights had been re-arrested for crimes such as attempted murder, first-degree sexual assault, kidnapping, child molestation, illegal possession of a machine gun and drug trafficking."

Hmmmmm--1/3 of 22,0000 people had their rights restored (~7300 folks). Of these, 69 later committed crimes, so the ATF had an error rate of less than 1% (0.9%). I think that is acceptable, especially compared to the NORMAL recidivism rate for criminals.

5 posted on 12/23/2002 6:52:17 AM PST by Wonder Warthog
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"Hmmmmm--1/3 of 22,0000 people had their rights restored (~7300 folks). Of these, 69 later committed crimes, so the ATF had an error rate of less than 1% (0.9%). I think that is acceptable, especially compared to the NORMAL recidivism rate for criminals."

To get an accurate comparison I think it would be interesting to see how many people, who have never been convicted of a crime and purchase a firearm, an then use that firearm to commit a crime.

6 posted on 12/23/2002 6:57:46 AM PST by Kerberos
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I have a friend whose brother was once an up and coming democrat in Texas. He got caught in some sort of campaign kickback scheme and was prosecuted and sent to federal prison for a couple of years. He was a huge hunter and his family owns lots of land, and according to his sister, it was particularly painful that he couldn't legally own or use a firearm anymore.

A couple of years ago, my friend told me that her brother could pay around $25,000.00 (I think I'm right about this figure) to have some of his gun rights re-instated. It must be some obscure Texas law we have here, but I found it very interesting. Wish I'd paid more attention and had gotten more details. Will try to find out more info from her one day. Sounds like one of those rich man's loopholes to me.
7 posted on 12/23/2002 7:09:07 AM PST by demkicker
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8 posted on 12/23/2002 7:12:23 AM PST by Free the USA
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To: Wonder Warthog
And it won't be long before mundane 'crimes' soon become felonies.

No one has yet suitably explained to me why the 2A has been singled out of the BoR to be forever denied a felon. The one right that "shall not be infringed" can be forever denied to a person for fish and game violations like possessing a bald eagle feather.

9 posted on 12/23/2002 7:14:47 AM PST by Eagle Eye
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Two points to make here:

First, like other posters, I don't see how a conviction in Mexico of an "offense" that is not a crime in the US would count as a felony.

Second, like many SC decisions, while this case was, on its face, a gun rights case, the issue that the SC decided was whether a judge could take over a legislative function - the fact that this case involved gun rights was peripheral to the issue before the court.

10 posted on 12/23/2002 7:17:39 AM PST by white trash redneck
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Hell yes! She isn't a convicted felon...just married to one.
11 posted on 12/23/2002 7:21:54 AM PST by Redleg Duke
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To: white trash redneck
BTTT for later
12 posted on 12/23/2002 7:26:04 AM PST by Double Tap
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My take on the news item (most comprehensive one I have seen on the case) is that BATF needs a good kick in the dupa to actually do its job.

Of course, BATF is still loaded with Clintonista/Renoid types which accounts for its dereliction of duty in this case.

The Supremes avoided the Constitutional question to simply wash their hands, effectively leaving the poor guy in limbo, for as long as the BATF wants to keep him there.

13 posted on 12/23/2002 7:28:31 AM PST by ninenot
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"Hell yes! She isn't a convicted felon...just married to one."

But I was under the impression that a convicted felon could not own or be in possession of a firearm. So even if Liddy did not purchase the weapons but they are still located in his principle place of abode, I'm assuming that he lives with his wife, could he then not be said to be in possession of a weapon?

14 posted on 12/23/2002 7:29:58 AM PST by Kerberos
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This is why more and more "crimes" are being made into felonies. Soon everyone will be a felon, and guess what, nobody will have guns.
15 posted on 12/23/2002 7:30:00 AM PST by 1Old Pro
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Well, the study you propose should have a sub-heading: "Where was the weapon purchased?"--with specific reference to 'the street' or a licensed FFL shop.

THAT may make a large difference in the findings of the study.
16 posted on 12/23/2002 7:30:45 AM PST by ninenot
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To: Eagle Eye
And it won't be long before mundane 'crimes' soon become felonies.

EXACTLY, in some states simply being "accused" of domestic violence now prohibits gun ownership.

17 posted on 12/23/2002 7:31:05 AM PST by 1Old Pro
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To: ninenot
"THAT may make a large difference in the findings of the study."

I think that would be correct in that it is probably a safe assumption that those who purchase firearms through unlawful channels may not have the best of intents for their use.

18 posted on 12/23/2002 7:34:39 AM PST by Kerberos
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Second, like many SC decisions, while this case was, on its face, a gun rights case, the issue that the SC decided was whether a judge could take over a legislative function - the fact that this case involved gun rights was peripheral to the issue before the court.

That's what I figgered too. However the fact that it was a Mexican "offense" there was no real felony in the first place. How can one be a felon for something that is not a crime in the USA? SCOTUS could have just declined to hear the case.

19 posted on 12/23/2002 7:37:29 AM PST by jjm2111
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To: 1Old Pro
Or routine restraining orders in divorces.

Or the VA alerting the feds that a vet has had treatment for PTSD.

20 posted on 12/23/2002 7:38:07 AM PST by Eagle Eye
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