Immigration: Where is the OUTRAGE??

The Sierra Times ^ | Dec. 20, 2002 | Jackie Juntti

[madfly]

I have been surfing the many news pages for months, and all the headlines, for the most part on a daily basis, mention the "War" in the Middle East. It is either Iraq, bin Laden, Palestine, Saudi Arabia or the like. Many articles about America going to fight over in that part of the world - the pretext being that we are fighting "terrorism".

I have yet to see headlines about the Invasion of America on our Southern Border. The SILENCE is deafening on this topic. The only time I read articles related to the Mexican invasion is when one or another ILLEGAL INVADER is spotlighted as not being able to get "instate tuition" at some tax funded school, or one of them needs very expensive medical care. All of this type of "news" coverage is based upon the bleeding heart mentality that we rich Americans should be opening our national door and bringing in all who wish to come and benefit from our years of hard work.

We have laws regarding "immigration" and we have a procedure to be followed to legally enter America. Many foreigners follow those rules and eventually are able to enter - legally - and then apply to become citizens. I welcome each and every one of those people. Members of my family originally entered America in this manner, coming in through Ellis Island. Another part of my family was here to greet them, as they were native Americans.

I can't fathom the silence of the media in reporting on the stealth invasion of America by all those who avoid detection at legal entry points. I can't understand why they are not making this a daily headline, with the numbers in bold print as they did during the Viet Nam war with the body counts.

I can't fathom why Bush, Cheney, Colin Powell, Ashcroft, and all those in Congress are not doing daily press conferences, alerting Americans to the invasion that has been, and continues to take place every single day of the year.

Where is the OUTRAGE they had following Sept. 11th? Do we need planes diving into buildings and fires raging in order to stand in front of cameras saying that AMERICA IS UNDER ATTACK!!!

Why are the leaders of this nation so silent on this INVASION at our Southern Border? What is the back room deal that has been cut to keep the Welcome Wagon Ladies standing there, tables heaped high with goodies paid for by the America taxpayer? Why are we not condemning Vicente Fox for sending in his stealth operatives as we condemn Osama bin Laden and his ilk? What is the difference?

We have almost daily "ALERTS!" about some threat of some kind from the "terrorists" but nothing about the INVASION of AMERICA from Mexico and elsewhere. Why is there such SILENCE on this matter?

Recently, Rudy Giulliani went to Mexico as a consultant to deal with the alarming crime rate there. In fact, he was alleged to be the target of a kidnapping attempt while there. I hope "dealing with the Mexican crime rate" doesn't mean sending them North to the U.S. Vicente Fox and his Coyotes have been doing that job already, and quite successfully.

I can hardly wait for Sen. 'Chatty' Patty Murray of Washington to hold a press conference exclaiming how Fox & Coyotes have built schools and all those same good things she is now applauding bin Laden for. Perhaps we will have Jim McDermott standing along side of her telling of his recent visit and how wonderful those folks are that just want to find a "better life" in America. Even better would be for all this to be "Bipartisan", and all those GOP politicians could stand with them pushing open the borders so everyone can have a miserable life when America is finally brought to her knees by the INVASION taking place before our eyes.

I am telling you, there is something mighty strange going on. America is being invaded and the leaders of America are pushing to open the gate even wider to the invaders. They have already granted AMNESTY to thousands and now want to grant more options for the last wave of invaders. They are keeping a lid on any news that exposes this invasion - twisting it to promote only the "plight" of those poor downtrodden ILLEGALS, so as to build up more bleeding hearts to open our homes to the invading troops. They won't even refer to them as what they are - illegal invading troops - they refer to them as "undocumented aliens" - that is supposed to make us feel sorry for them and to ignore the fact that our laws have been violated.

We also have George W. Bush - the president of AMERICA - opening the Social Security benefits to Mexicans. I guess welfare, education, health care, housing, unemployment, isn't enough. We need to send them SS checks too.

Maybe we should bring Rudy Giulliani back here to deal with the ALARMING CRIME RATE in the Federal Government. We have men in high places openly subverting American law and our Constitution. If nothing else, maybe Rudy, with his recent experience at attending funerals, could officiate over the death of America as we knew it.

Where is the OUTRAGE?

Bye, bye, Miss American Pie, Drove my Chevy to the levee but the levee was dry. Them good ol' boys were drinking whiskey and rye Singing 'This'll be the day that I die, 'This'll be the day that I die.'"

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[F.J. Mitchell]

Putting it in any terms is a PC no no, self defence is a PC no no, it seems that every adverse reaction to this "INVASION" is a PC no no. (an invasion it is, please let's stop calling rape merely a unilateral sexual experience, no more wrong than right because one participant was willing and one participant opposed it, therefore 50% was welcome and 50% was unwelcome, ergo each neutralized the position of the other and nothing really happened.)

It's time for a kick arse policy against illegal entry, and those who oppose it should be considered the enemy.

[F16Fighter]

"The Free Republic is the internet's premier 'hate the mexicans' web site."

Must be a treat to be looking out into the asylum courtyard from your tiny cell window, humming John Lennon's 'Imagine'...

[Ben Ficklin]

I suggest that you go back and follow that link. It takes you another thread with no link.

[Reaganwuzthebest]

I think it keeps them from dealing with reality.

Either that or some of these people are getting rich off the backs of illegal aliens and will resort to any tactic to keep the gravy train from getting disrupted.

[Ben Ficklin]

If it is not a myth then I'm sure that one of you will link to the stats to support the assertion.

[Nuke'm Glowing]

I just jumped into this thread and must say that your post was well written and well intended. However, the problem with illegal immigration is that it has enabled the terrorists to cross using the same network. It was documented by Fox News with Geraldo doing a great story on Iranian and Iraqi agents beign smuggled into the U.S. via Mexico for over 3 years and continuing to do so after 9-11. I'm sorry. If we do not seal the borders NOW, I can not take this so called "war on terrorism" seriously. We were able to seal our borders via land, sea and air during World War II; not totally, but effectively. But since there is this "we don't want to offend anyone" mentality of the politically correct morons of the nation, the price will be paid. I can forsee a day where instead of mourning 3000 souls, it could be 300,000. And then what will you say? The borders should remain open? That uncontrolled immigration is still "okie dokey"????? If you think that total control of our borders is not a prerequisite to a safe and secure nation, then do me one favor:

Go to each and every family member of the 3000 dead and say that to their face. They paid the price of our State Department being "politically correct" and our Justice Department being blind to the threats of terrorists on our soil.

[Ben Ficklin]

The world's history is full of migrations and the end of cultures.

In fact, our beginnings on this continent is one example.

[austinTparty]

Did I say I was FOR illegal immigration? I'm not. But legal immigration? You bet. And furthermore, Reagan was definitely pro-big business and pro-entrepreneurship (Perhaps you would rather get rid of all the jobs they create and the people they employ? How about we stifle any business over 100 people--that small enough for you? See where that takes the country.) He was a huge fan of and strongly influenced by Hayek and Smith and believed strongly in supply-side economics, economic liberty and free trade. With your screenname, you should know that.

[4Freedom]

The link is to a PRNewswire article detailing the results of a June 12, 2002 Zogby Poll. If you want to go to Zogby, go to Zogby.

The point is you lied about the post # and the presence of a link in another blatant attempt at manipulation. The source is there.

[Ben Ficklin]

I added a historical perspective to your poll. I provided a link to an article that demonstrated that the poll can be manipulated by how the questions are framed. Very different answers.

[Reaganwuzthebest]

Did I say I was FOR illegal immigration? I'm not.

That's not the impression I got from your posts, but if you're against illegal immigration, fine, then we agree.

But legal immigration? You bet.

And I'm in favor of it too, within reason. During the eighties and the economic boom we took in 500,000 annually, what was wrong with that number? Reagan didn't increase it to a million a year, George Bush Sr. did. Immigration is one thing, but we're being swamped. After 1924 and the Great Wave we had a rest period for 40 years. I'd say it's time for another one. Not cut off immigration completely, just bring it back down to more traditional levels.

[Snerfling]

Nothing lasts forever, but the USA can last a hell of a lot longer if people would put forth the tiniest bit of effort. It is not inevitable. It is being deliberately engineered.

Ah, but my dear sir, it IS inevitable. The reason for this is simple: it's already a done deal. The illegals are outbreeding the productive sectors of society by a significant margin. If you live in SoCal, a little drive down Harbor Blvd will open your eyes. Take it out a generation or so, and it's obvious to anyone what's happening.

Pesonally, I don't mind any longer. There's something called the 5 stages of grief: denial, anger, attempted resolution, depression, acceptance. Those of us who fought the earliest battles over Prop 187 back in the early 90s are well past stage 5. They won. Accept it and start dealing with how society will be structured in the future.

Me, I look to So. America. After all, if the US was merely a reflection of the societies/cultures/values of its earliest immigrants, then why would this not hold true today? The point is, it does. Therefore, the US will tend to increasingly resemble Mexico City ie where the immigrants are coming from today.

Is this a bad thing? No, not really, as long as you're part of the productive class. The wealthy/middle-classes in So American live like kings - their purchasing power is tremendous. We're already experiencing that in SoCal - no one I know never does any of their own yard-work, etc.

One other thing: I think the real opposition to illegal immigration is NOT because it's against the law. It's skills and education. If the illegals where all engineers, there wouldn't be a peep. How often are these threads directed at Asians? None, even though there is a significant amount of 'illegal' immigration coming from there as well.

[Missouri]

>>There has been several references on this thread to the high hispanic population in California prisons.<<


If you would go back and look at post #193, I stated Mexican Nationals in California prisons NOT Hispanics in California prisons. Everyone here knows there's a differance. So again, keep your story straight.

[B4Ranch]

This is not how prison pop rates are measured.

ALPHABETICAL LISTING OF LAPD'S MOST WANTED CRIMINALS

Ben, referencing #25, before you think that I am being manipulated, please reread the capital letter sentence, especially the heavy bold words.

Do you see the difference between your sentence and mine? ie., prison population vs most wanted. I did not give you a listing for criminals names in prisons. My point is and was that these illegals come here, commit crimes and flee back to Mexico.

The percentage of crimes commited by legal hispanics is much lower than that of illegal hispanics. Can you understand why? The legal hispanics obeyed our laws of immigration and did not come here looking for victims. They came here to enhance their lives legally. BIG DIFFERENCE IN THE TWO GROUPS!

[nicollo]

judgeandjury:

My: "Americans are people who live in America."
Your: "Correction: Americans are those people who are citizens of the United States of America.

Get to the spirit of my comment. Or do you deny aspiring Americans, too? Good thing LaFayette didn't run into this sentiment in 1776. Btw, the Supreme Court long ago ruled that non-citizens are party to American constitutional rights. Do you disagree?

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Reaganwuzthebest:

You'll find most people on these threads are not anti-immigration, but against illegal immigration... The point you're missing is either we're a nation of laws or we're not... Personally I don't even see how this issue is debatable.

By the same logic, prohibition, the 55 mph, 70% tax rates, War on Drugs confiscation of property, etc. were/are not debatable simply because they were/are the law? I repeat:

malum prohibitum, non malum in se

If the law does not accomodate reality, the law loses its meaning. You'll probably think I'm suggesting we liberalize immigration. Read me carefully: I'm suggesting that we consider the effect of our laws. Tightening enforcement won't make the law anymore effective. Didn't work during prohibition, didn't work with the '55', and it don't work with WOD.

Your argument should not be against the failure of enforcement, it should be against legalized incentives for immigration. Every immigrant for himself. NO WELFARE FOR IMMIGRANTS, legal or otherwise. I know you people say this all the time. However, the anger speaks louder than the logic. The message is lost in the noise.

I was accused on this thread of somehow opposing Prop. 187. I guess that's because I said people will continue adn always try to get into this country, legally or otherwise. I am not for rewarding illegals.

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Fitz:

The answer to Mexico and all of Central and South America's problems isn't to have every last of their citizens move here... Really there is no good reason prosperity ends at the Rio Grande.

Yes. Meanwhile, nothing's gonna change down there. I know it well. The very worst problem in Latin America is unequal justice. I've seen the system at work. They are corrupt to the bone (Chile excepting). Latin America doesn't need the "Chicago Boys" or American capitalism. It needs American courts.

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Nanny:

My: Defeatist attitudes lead to defeat. If the sky's gonna fall, it's gonna fall on me without my umbrella.
Your: Sounds like some things that were probably said to the patriots in 1770 something.

Quite the opposite. The defeatist arguments of 1770 were against change. It was the patriots who spread optimisim and glory and hope. There's sad little hope on this thread.

You wrote,

Our present situation of illegal immigration has bestowed the rights of citizenship in this nation without price, burden, or sacrifice. I understand why citizenship has no meaning for many - I have always found it to be true that if you do not have to pay for something, you don't hold it dear. T

I don't know that citizenship is any easier today than ever before. Unless, of course, you were a jew on a boat in the Carribean in the 1930/40s. Too bad they didn't have the El Paso map to get in. Rich jews got in. Same thing during the 1890s. To paraphrase your Momma, same as it ever was don't make it right. Just 'cuz it aint' right don't mean it ain't happening.

I'll repeat from above, for you are absolutely correct on this: illegal immigration ought not be rewarded.

[Reaganwuzthebest]

The illegals are outbreeding the productive sectors of society by a significant margin.

You're seeing something as inevitable that may not be. Are you aware there's a case right now in federal court that could determine that children of illegals are not necessarily automatic citizens?

The case itself involves a son born here to Saudi parents, but if the government wins in the Supreme Court the implications are enormous in that when illegals are deported, their children go with them. It also take away a huge incentive that illegals now have for crossing the border, that anchor baby which allows them to stay and bring in their families.

[B4Ranch]

All it would take to awaken the 'ELITES', is for a few of their women to be murdered in this fashion. The 14% would rise to 90% overnight when they realized extradition is almost impossible from Mexico for a murderer or a life sentence criminal.

[Missouri]

>>the people who came here in earlier times were good folk, but the people coming today are purely scum".<<



A big differance between earlier times and now is back then there was no welfare for anyone. Earlier times immigrants had to work. In no way the taxpayer had to support them. Is that true today ?

[FITZ]

Meanwhile, nothing's gonna change down there. I know it well. The very worst problem in Latin America is unequal justice. I've seen the system at work. They are corrupt to the bone

It would change if we quit being the safety valve and it might change anyhow even if we keep on. Mexico seems to be getting pretty unstable ---we might not like the way the next election goes.

[nicollo]

the problem with illegal immigration is that it has enabled the terrorists to cross using the same network.

Did you notice a different tone on this thread tonight? Folks are finding more in common than before. It is generally agreed that illegal immigration is repugnant. The parting comes at immigration in general. I find the solutions for illegal immigration defective. Ultimately, the only way to control the illegal immigration, as you suggest is an imperative, is to legalize it -- entirely.

The anti's here don't want that. I'm not saying it'd be good thing. It is the only workable solution, if you're looking for ultimate solutions.

Who's gonna want to legalize the illegals? Not me. That's an incentive for more. No Chinese Wall is gonna stop 'em. And, as I said, border crossings are only half the problem. We'd better get around to dealing with the problem more effectively, and with more constructive rhetoric.

Thanks for your post, Nukem'. You are correctly alarmed in this regard you mention.