Smallpox Comitatus

self ^ | 12/18/02 | Self

[Joe 6-pack]

Title 18 USC., Part I, Chap. 67 Sec. 1385. - Use of Army and Air Force as posse comitatus

"Whoever, except in cases and under circumstances expressly authorized by the Constitution or Act of Congress, willfully uses any part of the Army or the Air Force as a posse comitatus or otherwise to execute the laws shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both."

Circumstances expressly authorized by the Constitution....

Article I.

Section 8. The Congress shall have power to...

...provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States;

...define and punish piracies and felonies committed on the high seas, and offenses against the law of nations;

... declare war, grant letters of marque and reprisal, and make rules concerning captures on land and water;

... make rules for the government and regulation of the land and naval forces;

... make all laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into execution the foregoing powers, and all other powers vested by this Constitution in the government of the United States, or in any department or officer thereof.

Section 9.

...The privilege of the writ of habeas corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in cases of rebellion or invasion the public safety may require it.

Article II

Section 2. The President shall be commander in chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the militia of the several states, when called into the actual service of the United States..."

So much has been made in recent days about how badly the Constitution will be scarred by the use of U.S. Military on U.S. soil in the event of terrorist acts following up to the September 11, 2001 attacks. Many of these issues are raised by so-called libertarians who profess to be Constitutional purists, who lose sight of the fact that at the time of the drafting of our Constitution, and for some period thereafter, the VAST MAJORITY of U.S. military activity took place on U.S. soil. Moreover, many of these same persons heretofore railed against the projection of U.S. military force abroad, cautioning against, "foreign entanglements."

The facts of the matter are thus...

We have been attacked...in a manner more viscious than Pearl Harbor, the incursions of Pancho Villa, the sinking of the Lusiitania, or any other assault against our nation suffered during the 20th Century.

Efforts to continue attacks against our nation continue.

Liberal immigration policies have permitted the enemy to grow within.

Posse Comitatus is NOT an integral part of the Constitution; rather a proscription against the use of the Federal military in a law enforcement capacity against U.S. Civilians, UNDER MOST CIRCUMSTANCES. Exceptions have been written into the law, and, believe it or not, U.S. Military frequently supports U.S. Law enforcement in the following capacities...

1. Virtually not a day goes by where U.S. Army bomb detector K9s support the U.S. Secret Service, State deprtment, or DoD who request K9 sweeps in anticipation of dignitary visits.

2. U.S. Army / AF EOD personnel support local law enforcement who encounter unexploded U.S. or foreign, "souvenier," munitions or other IEDs which exceed the technical capacity of local EOD personnel.

When the enemy is within, are we to believe that the Department of Defense no longer has a role because the opponent is on U.S. soil? This is perhaps one the most absurd notions that political commentators of any stripe have ever proffered. Most curiously, the concept is most fiercely advocated by those who've tried to minimize the DoD's role abroad, suggesting that forward projection is not a matter of defense. We are a nation at war, and the warfighting component of the government should be given the lead.

Persons arguing aginst the DoD's role in the current conflict on Constitutional grounds need to realize that the DoD, formerly, the War Department, is Constitutionally organized and has a Constitutional role...on U.S. soil and beyond.

While I don't pretend to know more than anyone else on the subject, I can confidently assert that I know more than most. I served as an active duty military police officer in the U.S. Army for ten years. In my last two years, I served on a Defense Coordinating Element (DCE) responsible for organizing DoD support for FEMA ops in the event of natural or man-made disasters. I resigned effectively, in December 2000, prior to 9/11. Up to that time, to my awareness, FEMA officials, and military supervisors were painfully cognizant of the implications of Posse Comitatus and virtually all contingency planning was conducted with such considerations...even in cases where, in my opinion, justifications for exceptions were valid.

I've been deployed to quite a few of the world's finest sh!t-holes and have been inoculated against everything from Bubonic Plague, to Japanese Encephilitas to Yellow Fever. I've never developed any symptoms greater than an itchy arm. My immunization record is far longer and more replete than my resume will ever be, and I've yet to suffer ill-effects. Should a small-pox vaccine come available tomorrow, I'd accept it, not because it was mandated, but simply, because I really don't want to contract small-pox!

[Poohbah]

If everyone is vaccinated, all hell will break loose as many will become ill, and many will contract smallpox and die.

Define "many." Compare that number to the numbers of nonimmunized people who will die of smallpox if there is a large outbreak.

[DBtoo]

Last week I had a doctor's appt., and I asked my doctor what she thought about the smallpox vaccine and that whole issue. She said what you have been saying. She also does not want one, and hopes that since we are in the middle of nowhere they will not enforce it here. She is a very intelligent woman and the best doctor in this area. Since we are a hub for a huge chunk of the state, we have a rather large hospital and many doctors. She's the best and there are some very good ones here. She knows what she is talking about and so does FormerLurker and other doctors and researchers.

There is so much information out there that I don't know how anyone can deny it, unless they are scared, and denying the danger and becoming angry over it is a coping mechanism.

[Sabertooth]

Don't forget the Marines!

I was living in Castaic at the time, across the I-5 from Peter Pitchess Wayside Honor Rancho. The Marines (I think) were brought in on big transport helicopters at dusk and were deployed into the L.A. from there. Those guys hit the prison grounds fully armed and ready to go. Very impressive.

Within 24 hours, order had been restored.

[DBtoo]

It would be helpful if people other than self-serving morons would run for office so that we could have some decent choices.

[sweetliberty]

"Afraid Former Lurker will just re-enroll"

Well, if he does, he should be easy to spot.

[Poohbah]

Look for someone who posts over-the-top crap about vaccination.

[sweetliberty]

And flouride.

[Poohbah]

Is FormerLurker concerned about his precious bodily fluids?

[discostu]

And H1Bs and crop cirles. Basically anything that could be construed as conspiracy busting.

[sweetliberty]

My guess is that Former Lurker has already been contacted by Liberty Post and is likely signing up as we speak...uh, post.

[Poohbah]

Well, it's speech in a metaphysical sort of way, especially for those Freepers who move their lips as they read or type. (I'm not going to engage in any irresponsible speculation regarding which Freepers that category encompasses. :o)

[sweetliberty]

LOL!

[aruanan]

Please post any scientific studies you might know of that prove the smallpox vaccination actually works.

Have you ever heard of Edward Jenner? He improved on the primitive form of innoculation called "variolation" which attempted to give a person a mild case of smallpox and, with it, protection against a deadly case. Unfortunately, it wasn't a certain thing that a mild case would obtain from variolation. Jenner saw that people who contracted cowpox did not become infected with smallpox. He innoculated with cowpox and then later with smallpox. The patients did not develop smallpox. As the practice of innoculation became standardized, it was empirically demonstrated to be an effective means of preventing smallpox, though the molecular basis for immunization had still not been discovered.

Of course, folks like krodriguesdc would say that it was a purely poc hoc ergo propter hoc phenomenon: smallpox disappeared due to increase public sanitation--they just happened to be innoculating everywhere that modern sanitation was instituted and mistook the effects of sanitation for effective innoculation. This argument, though, is a case of fetid dingos kidneys since it has been demonstrated since Jenner's day that a. there is indeed a molecular basis for immunity that satisfactorily explains why they found empirically that innoculation worked, and b. members of a clean society with modern plumbing and sewage systems cannot avoid getting a communicable disease that doesn't depend on dirty toilet seats and open sewers to spread.

[aruanan]

What did Jenner do? Did he attempt to stick up for his creed or to prove that he was right? No; he wanted money. He said he was looking forward "in the fond hope of enjoying independence," declaring he was in an impecunious condition. He accepted the verdict of the people.

This is libel against a dead guy.

Jenner received worldwide recognition and many honours, but he made no attempt to enrich himself through his discovery and actually devoted so much time to the cause of vaccination that his private practice and personal affairs suffered severely.Parliament voted him a sum of £10,000 in 1802 and a further sum of £20,000 in 1806. Jenner not only received honours but also aroused opposition and found himself subjected to attacks and calumnies, despite which he continued his activities on behalf of vaccination.

Though smallpox is no longer around, there is no end to the supply of morons such as hounded Jenner in his day. Someday someone will figure out a vaccine for that.

[PatrioticAmerican]

"are we to believe that the Department of Defense no longer has a role because the opponent is on U.S. soil?"

Yeah, 'cause boy George has told us that we need a Homeland Defense department to handle domestic defense.

[DBtoo]

I thought of the Earth is Flat comparison also.

[discostu]

The administrators already did, they banned FL. But don't stop posting fact to counter his lies.

[DBtoo]

Sabertooth, are you always so nasty with people whom you don't agree with? Do you really think the name-calling shows your wisdom, knowledge and maturity?

[Let's Roll]

Yeah - he uses the same cut and paste over and over and ...

[DBtoo]

Sabertooth was the first one on this thread to ping Admin Moderator because he didn't like what FormerLurker was saying. FormerLurker was not frothing at the mouth and hurling personal insults such as Sabertooth was.