Bills could end child support payments from men who aren't biological dads

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[BuddhaBoy]

I second Constible Tom's words.

[Mamzelle]

re:Fraud is fraud is fraud.

Flesh and heart are not matters of commerce.

[knak]

Gee thanks. I just don't get it. Men have hearts and compassion, much more so than a lot of women think. I can't see telling my husband that his child he loves isn't his and ripping his heart out. But I would never. I guess there are some that just don't care about anyone but themselves. Pity.

[constable tom]

Hence the second paragraph of that post, in which I said there is no real way for mere laws to address emotional issues. If a bond has been established under deceitful circumstances, the adult (duped "father") must make his own personal moral decision. The "fraud is fraud is fraud" line pertained strictly to financial responsibility, or, as you put it, "commerce". Do you always read and respond so "selectively"? Do you ever recognize when you've taken an incorrect position and are fighting a hopelessly losing battle? Just curious...

[Rytwyng]

Flesh and heart are not matters of commerce.

If the DNA doesn't match, it ISN'T MY FLESH. Got it?

[Smogger]

This is one serious hangup you've got here. Two new threads on this subject in one day.

Due to the rise in the numbers of illegitimate children and the proliferation of DNA testing, and with several states considering new laws to address this issue, it is certainly current issue.

Question: Why the ad hominem attack on Budda? Who cares if he wants to post two or thee threads a day on the subject as long as they are not duplicates?

[Hodar]

"If it can't happen to you, due to the precautions you take, why is it such an overwhelming concern?" You can buy his claims of brotherly charity, but I think there's something interesting in this story.

Sorry, non-sequitor. If the topic were beating and raping nuns, people not associated with the Catholic church would be just as angry. This is a topic where men are subject to fraud by virtue of being men. Women are excused from fraud ($84,500+ per count) and excused by virtue of being women. It is an unfair and unjust system.

[crystalk]

A very good study done about 3 yrs ago by a female researcher showed that 39% of the men who had ever been delinquent or in trouble with child support...

That in 39% of the cases the child was not even theirs! She just took problem dads, not the ones that paid real regular and were OK.

Looks to me like, if the child is not theirs they somehow know or suspect it at some level, and sense it isn't really bonding to them and not their own, and next thing you know they skip paying or are late.

Whereas if it IS their own they will send the money if at all possible, even if the woman hates them and has a court ordered stay-away and has charged them with abuse and all the usual rest of nastiness.

A frightful number of men are paying for other peoples kids, gives one flew over the CUCKOO's nest a whole new meaning, doesn't it?

Other studies show that 5% of all IN wedlock births, the father is not the husband. Milkman, Mailman, etc jokes are too true to be funny any more.

[BuddhaBoy]

Why the ad hominem attack on Budda?

My (current) girlfriend suggests that the woman is "intrigued". Heh, heh.

[Myrddin]

Your scenario almost happened to me last June. I received child support lawsuit papers from the City of Los Angeles. The biological father shared my first and last name, but not my middle name. The LA court has access to California DMV and Social Security databases. The information on the bio dad was incomplete, so they picked me randomly out of the DMV records. Shortly, I found that my information was plastered all over this investigators records. My employer had been contacted and my former residence identified. It took 6 weeks of data collection and long distance calls to disentangle this fraud. The name of the "respondant" on the suits was not my name, but all the information fraudulently gathered from California DMV and Social Security databases was my info. I could easily have ended up with forced child support payment for children of a woman I've never met, in a city I've never visited and at least one child who was a biological impossibility due to the consequences of my cancer treatments in 1985. The outrageous laws need to be fixed. No DNA match, no responsiblity...unless you have informed consent and intentionally adopt the non-biologically related child.

[BuddhaBoy]

Speechless............

[Rytwyng]

My (current) girlfriend suggests that the woman is "intrigued". Heh, heh.

101 alert... 101 alert...

[Mamzelle]

What ad hominem? Check back through the thread for names hurled at me, to which I am sanguine (except for that Lott shot). The internet can be a boisterous place. To wit, I am a liar, on the side of perfidous women, a victim of various female frustrations. On and on. But except for that dreadful Trent Lott insult, I am only amused.

BB has posted more than these two on this subject, and other interesting threads with the theme of Those D@mned Women. Have I challenged his right to post, or rather expressed curiosity about the obvious attachment to the issue? Now, I shouldn't be intrigued? What are the threads offered for, if not intrigue.

[constable tom]

Are you reading this thread? Is it still entertaining for you? Do you still want to keep arguing for "the children" (really, lying sluts and a corrupt legal system)? Enquiring minds want to know...

[bmwcyle]

They go for who has a job and money.

[constable tom]

Wow. I guess you are still entertained. I've lost my appetite for corresponding with you. Actually, every time I see your handle attached to a post from now one, I think I'll just skip that one.

[BuddhaBoy]

Not a problem, as she is a listener too. She knows the deal.

[constable tom]

Wow. It's one thing to read about this in the abstract, another to have lived it, as you have. I read Bias recently, too.

So, any chance of turning the tables on Gil Garcete over this issue and getting him voted out of office? He's the DA who is ruthlessly pursuing these default judgements in LA, right?

[Mamzelle]

It'd help if you didn't end up in my "new posts" box, since you weary of the correspondence.

[crystalk]

Similar thing (didn't go quite as far) happened to me some 25 yrs ago, investigators were showing me pictures of the kids and everything, and my box full of threatening letters, and my MIDDLE INITIAL was different, and my LAST NAME also differed slightly.

yet there were demands I sign things, start paying, admit to child support (children did live there in the city where I was)-- EVEN THOUGH I HAD NEITHER BEEN IN, NOR EVER EVEN SEEN THAT CITY...at the time the children had been born there.

It took several irate screaming phone calls and nasty letters from me to get them to back off.