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Oregon Gas laws (- Yet another attack on freedom)
CAPITALISTCHICKS.COM ^ | FR Post 12-1-2002 | Debbie Brannigan

Posted on 12/01/2002 1:27:53 PM PST by vannrox

Oregon Gas laws

Debbie Brannigan (Email Author)

I spent most of my life in a suburb of Detroit, MI: the Motor City of America. I've been pumping my own gas for 20+ years now. Imagine my surprise when I went to work in Portland, OR and attempted to fill my own gas tank, only to be told by the 'trained fueling operator' that it was against the law for me to fill my own gas tank. I was not "qualified" to handle class1 flammable liquids!! I thought it was a joke but it’s true. There is a fine of up to $500 if I am caught trying to perform the 'fueling operation' on my own.

ORS 480.315-320

Yep, ORS 480.315-320, that's the one. Check it out on the Oregon State government website: www.leg.state.or.us

The following is taken directly from the text of ORS 480.330:

"An owner, operator or employee of a filling station service station, garage, or other dispensary where class 1 flammable liquids are dispensed at retail may not permit any person other than the owner, operator or employee to use or manipulate any pump, hose, pipe or other device for dispensing the liquids into the fuel tank of a motor vehicle or other retail container."

ORS 480.385, Civil penalty for dispensing law violation:
Civil penalty shall become due and payable 10 days after order: up to $500.

There are 17 declarations listed which try to rationalize this completely irrational law. Too many to list in this writing but here are some of my personal favorites:

ORS480.315

1) The dispensing of Class 1 flammable liquids by dispensers properly trained in appropriate safety procedures reduces fire hazards directly associated with the dispensing of Class 1 flammable liquids.

7) Exposure to toxic fumes represents a health hazard to customers dispensing Class 1 flammable liquids.

10a) The significantly higher prices typically charged for full-service fuel dispensing in states where self service is permitted at retail discriminates against customers with lower incomes, who are under greater economic pressure to subject themselves to the inconvenience and hazards of self-service.

11) The increased use of self-service at retail in other states has contributed to diminishing the availability of automotive repair facilities at gasoline stations.

14) Self service dispensing at retail contributes to unemployment, particularly among young people.

And, last but not least.....we can't forget about 'the children':

17) Small children left unattended when customers leave to make payment at self service stations creates a dangerous situation.

No, I'm not kidding: those are all for real. Can Big Brother's elitist agenda be any clearer?

Declaration 7 states that exposure to fumes presents a health risk to customers but what about the 'qualified fuel dispensing operator'? There are no masks, no special procedures and no form of protection from these fumes for the attendant. There is nothing this 'qualified' person does any differently than I would. Exposure to fumes for them is OK, I guess. Why can't I do this myself again?

Declaration 10a is by far the most outrageous: "high prices of full service discriminate against low income customers who are subjected to the inconvenience and hazards of self service."

First off, the keyword here is 'convenience'. Convenience is a luxury, not a right. Oregon lawmakers need to learn the difference apparently.

Secondly, it amazes me that Oregon's legislature would even have the nerve to play the "low income discrimination" card in this argument. The state of Oregon has the highest gas prices in all of the contiguous United States thanks to taxes and restrictions imposed upon it's service stations. Oregon not only demands its gas station proprietors hire full time attendants to pump gas but also imposes a 24 cent per gallon “licensing tax” which is due every month of operation. Of course government employees are exempt from paying this additional tax and may file for a refund on the gas they use. Where is the concern for the low income folks now? The poor of Oregon now pay the highest gas prices in the entire country! Rather than cut taxes and lower prices for everyone, the state of OR has decided it's better to impose the highest taxes and charges for all: including the poor. Typical rhetoric. (ref: ORS 319.020 for licensing tax info)

Declarations 11 & 14 claim that self service stations contribute not only to unemployment but also to diminished availability of service stations. This reminds me of a scene from "Anthem" by Ayn Rand. Prometheus presents his great discovery of electricity to the World Council of Scholars. They tell him it would "wreck the plans of the World Council" by wreaking havoc on the current Council of Candles. When government restricts free market evolution, the result can only be stagnation. Can you imagine life if the government had stepped in to halt the 'diminished availability' of blacksmiths, chimney sweeps, milkmen, 8 tracks tapes, rotary phones, etc, etc. If there is market demand for a business it will survive without intervention.

Self-serve gas stations have not led to higher unemployment rates in other states. Most of those stations are equipped with automated electronic pumps and surveilance. More high tech equipment = more high tech maintenance & sales = more high tech jobs. Hmmm. Oregon has the highest gasoline prices in the country. It also has the highest unemployment rate. Oregon lawmakers claim to be passing these laws in an effort to reduce unemployment and help the low income citizens. Obviously, the opposite effect has taken place. Perhaps it is time to rethink the current strategy?

Oh and the best for last!

Declaration 17: small children left alone while paying for gas poses a 'dangerous' situation. Are children all over the country spontaneously combusting at these self serve stations? What are these children doing.....drinking the gasoline when mom's not looking? I could find no data anywhere to support a higher rate of injury to minors at self service stations vs. full serve stations. A vast majority of self serve stations are equipped with pay at the pump service, so you never have to leave the perimeter of your car. If it does not offer this, drive 1/4 mile to one that does. Don't want to do that: take the child inside with you.

It has not been quite a decade since this law was imposed and already the arguments for keeping it intact are " so many people wouldn't know how to pump their own gas now". So here is yet another law fully enforced and completely ridiculous. It is another step up the government ladder of dependancy, where we leave Liberty and Freedom on the ground below.

Let me end this with a fitting quote from Benjamin Franklin: "People who are willing to give up their freedom for securtiy deserve neither"



TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Oregon
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To: vannrox
Wrong call on this one. Gas is the same price or cheaper in places where you have to pump it yourself. Look at the price of non-self serve gas in other states, talk about a rip off!
61 posted on 12/01/2002 5:50:23 PM PST by tje
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To: baseballmom
I pump my own 99% of the time. Gas is about 1.47 in Philly area.

Here in Greenwich, CT, gas is about $1.70 a gallon, give or take. And that's self serve. In NJ, when I go there (not too often), I always fill up. Well, I don't fill up, I ask the guy at the Vince Lombardi rest stop, the last rest stop in the state before the NY border, to fill up my tank.

62 posted on 12/01/2002 5:50:55 PM PST by Koblenz
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To: Rocksalt
it does create some jobs I will admit

Well yeah, but so would throwing bricks through windows and paying repairmen to fix them. The jobs are economically inefficient.

63 posted on 12/01/2002 5:58:21 PM PST by ThinkDifferent
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To: gcruse
The law is socialist, stupid, economically ridiculous. It's a great thing! It's great because it is a state law. The people of Oregon have decided to do this to themselves. Would that the Tenth Amendment applied to all other areas of state decision making.

Absolutely right on all counts.

64 posted on 12/01/2002 5:59:09 PM PST by ThinkDifferent
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To: FreedomCalls
I guess everybody thinks the same way (or at least a lot of people), because if they wanted it, if it was so damn important to them, they'd have it. It wouldn't be such a big deal for the legislature to pass a law.
65 posted on 12/01/2002 5:59:28 PM PST by ladylib
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To: vannrox
Sounds like Oregon created another Make-Work job.

How much higher were gas prices due to all that?
66 posted on 12/01/2002 6:00:26 PM PST by A CA Guy
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To: tje
The variance in gasoline prices throughout the states is really a function of the difference in state gasoline taxes. Look at this page and you can see that if you live a little north of the Georgia/North Carolina border it is really worth it to drive over to Georgia to fill up. Likewise if you are headed south on US441 hang on until you get south of the border.

Just giving a quick glance at the table, it appears the GA/NC border has the biggest tax differential.

67 posted on 12/01/2002 6:08:13 PM PST by FreedomCalls
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To: ThinkDifferent
"The jobs are economically inefficient."

Could you expound on that a little for me? I'm sure you're right,but I'd like to hear what makes them so.
68 posted on 12/01/2002 6:17:36 PM PST by Rocksalt
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To: ThinkDifferent
The law is socialist, stupid, economically ridiculous. It's a great thing! It's great because it is a state law. The people of Oregon have decided to do this to themselves. Would that the Tenth Amendment applied to all other areas of state decision making.

Absolutely right on all counts.

We also have a system of Interstate and US highways that connect communities to the rest of the United States. These laws interfere with interstate commerce. According to Article I, Section 8, Congress has the power to regulate interstate commerce.

Article I Section 8 The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

.........

To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;

I think there should be a buffer zone within a mile of any Interstate or US highway in which the states would be prohibited from prohibiting self-service gasoline stattions.
69 posted on 12/01/2002 7:15:53 PM PST by Paleo Conservative
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To: Rocksalt
It's a form of the broken window fallacy. When customers are forced to pay for having their gas pumped even if that service has no value to them, that money cannot be spent on goods and services that they do actually want. Thus, economically efficient transactions are prevented from occurring.
70 posted on 12/01/2002 7:17:47 PM PST by ThinkDifferent
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To: vannrox
You know, somebody posted this PMS from the capitalist chicks several months ago. This has been the law in Oregon for at least 40 years.
71 posted on 12/01/2002 7:19:31 PM PST by r9etb
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To: Who dat?
The state of Oregon has the highest gas prices in all of the contiguous United States thanks to taxes and restrictions imposed upon it's service stations.

I just paid $1.29 a gallon in Salem, OR. And my hands don't smell of gasoline.

72 posted on 12/01/2002 7:22:40 PM PST by aimhigh
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To: Slyfox; ladylib
So you need a LAW to go to a full service station? PUH-LEEZE!!!
73 posted on 12/01/2002 7:24:19 PM PST by DLfromthedesert
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To: Paleo Conservative
"...I think the a federal law should be passed requiring all retail outlets selling gasoline within one mile of an Interstate or US highway to have self-serve pumps..."

Shirley, you jest...
74 posted on 12/01/2002 7:29:57 PM PST by error99
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To: gcruse
"...It's a great thing! It's great because it is a state law. The people of Oregon have decided to do this to themselves..."

And if the feds tried to force Oregon have self-serve gas;
And if Oregon resisted the new federal law;
Then historians would call it a rebellion over
the "cause" of self-service gasoline...
(if you catch my drft)
75 posted on 12/01/2002 7:33:48 PM PST by error99
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To: DLfromthedesert
Did I say I needed a law? Nope, I didn't. In fact, I think the law is stupid.
All I said was that it was nice to have someone else do it for me.
76 posted on 12/01/2002 7:34:03 PM PST by Slyfox
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To: TightSqueeze
"...Apart from this uncivilized barbarism, Florida is pretty cool..."

Wait till you see the bikini-girl hot dog vendors on the roadside - its a hoot !
77 posted on 12/01/2002 7:35:41 PM PST by error99
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To: vannrox
Hmmm, I wonder if Oregan(o) has a big earthquake fault too?
78 posted on 12/01/2002 7:35:55 PM PST by rockfish59
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To: vannrox
In the same spirt of keeping us safe I think Oregon should pay me not to visit there. Albeit I do so for free thus far........

Stay Safe !

79 posted on 12/01/2002 7:37:13 PM PST by Squantos
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To: Rocksalt
"...Who enjoys smelling like gas?..."

Amazing as it may sound, it is quite possible to perform this task without getting gasoline all over your shoes...
80 posted on 12/01/2002 7:38:35 PM PST by error99
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