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Physical Scientists Need a Liberal Arts Education
Modern Age ^ | Winter 1992 | E. Christian Kopff

Posted on 10/30/2002 8:03:45 PM PST by cornelis

It is not so obvious that physical scientists need a liberal arts education, rooted in the study of language. They themselves assert that they have no time for it. They have insisted on the abolition of language requirements in almost every university graduate program in America. This development is directly related to the massive amount of fraud which now typifies scientific publication in this country. This scientific community has lost track of the historical and ethical roots of our civilization, the only civilization which has fostered the scientific ethic and considerable scientific research and discovery. Increasingly young men enter the sciences who do not understand that science is not a given, but an achievement, a tradition of research and discovery which si the hard-won accomplishment of one culture, fostered carefully and slowly for millenia until the sixteenth and seventeenth centuries. Scientists have lost touch with their own culture. They live without a narrative structure which frames and makes moral sense of their lives. They seem to belong to no culture and feel the claims of no cultural norms, claims that would be introduced and reinforced by a rigorous study of their own cultural traditions over the past twenty-five hundred years. For such people the borderline between fudging, misreporting of results, and outright fraud becomes as unclear as their own cultural heritage. All too often it is those who report or investigate such fraud who find themselves de-funded by the "profession." The attainment of truth is possible only within a tradition, as Alasdair MacIntyre has suggested. A rootless, traditionless, monoglot scientific elite has lost the basis of discovery, in science or any other area. Since they cannot discover truth and will not live without grants, they must lie.

Recently conservatives have talked much of valuing creativity and an openness to the real world. If such an attitude is to be more than talk, we must face the fact that creativity is not found in every tradition. Ours is one of the few creative ones and we must work to re-establish our children's direct contact with that tradition, which is their own, after all. Despite all the changes recent decades have seen, culture is still transmitted primarily through language. The essential works necessary for understanding and transmitting our culture were written in Greek and Latin. Translations are marvelous tools, but no translation can be safely used or taught except by one who knows the original tongue. An educational curriculum founded on Greek and Latin gave us Jefferson and Adams, Burke and Samuel Johnson, not to mention Copernicus and Newton, Luther and Calvin, Michaelangelo and Bach. Educators have developed curricula and texts which can teach these languages on any level from pre-school through college. Most subjects that are important for formative education can be be taught through and with these languages. The materials are out there, lying in the warehouses of the Cambridge and Oxford University Presses. We have in our hands the making of a reactionary revolution of excellence. The questions we must ask ourselves are the following: Do we have the will to give our children their own culture back again? Do we have the courage to restore meaning and creativity to our nation?



TOPICS: Culture/Society; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: classics; education; godsgravesglyphs; greek; language; latin; liberalarts; science; scientism; scientist
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To: PatrioticAmerican
Besides, most engineers are far more educated and experienced in life and the arts than any liberal ever will be

Kopff also notes earlier in the article that "When Donald Kagan, an ancient historian, addressed the National Association of Scholars in June 1990, he said that as new Dean of Yale College, he planned to improve the quality of the faculty by hiring scientists. He had given up on the humanities."

21 posted on 10/30/2002 9:09:10 PM PST by cornelis
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To: PatrioticAmerican
Who pays for liberal arts when it is unable to generate a product?<p. But this betrays some naivete. Back to the books you sucker.
22 posted on 10/30/2002 9:10:25 PM PST by cornelis
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To: cornelis
I think the author needs to search his roots and discover just what a liberal education was. It first come into being during the renaissance and was equal amounts of language, history, science and physical education. Somehow I doubt that his modern interpretation of Liberal Arts includes the later two.
23 posted on 10/30/2002 9:11:40 PM PST by Boiler Plate
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To: AriOxman
Most freshman engineering student can barely put together a coherent paragraph unless they are explaining something technical. Chances are you will use maybe 20 percent of the skills developed in an engineering classes while you will use much more of the skills learned in the humanities as you go through life. I believe you will appreciate the humanities classes later in your career and life as they will come in handy.

Good luck
24 posted on 10/30/2002 9:12:46 PM PST by Fzob
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To: cornelis
So much to learn, so little time!
25 posted on 10/30/2002 9:14:22 PM PST by Nebullis
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To: Billthedrill
Were science to attempt to function under the assumption that Mendeleev's table is no more valid than an alchemist's arcana and that their relative truth is merely a function of the observer, science as a body of knowledge would come crashing down into pop irrelevancy. However, it would at last be accessible to the sociology majors.

Exactly.

In physics class you learn how a P-N junction diode works, whereas in sociology you would discuss how you feel about semiconductors :P

26 posted on 10/30/2002 9:15:19 PM PST by Hawkeye's Girl
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To: Boiler Plate
It first come into being during the renaissance

As a professor in classic he would correct you on that: have you not read Cicero? I suppose the Boston Tea Party happened at Pearl Harbor?

27 posted on 10/30/2002 9:15:25 PM PST by cornelis
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To: Nebullis
Dear Nebullis, you credentials excuse you!
28 posted on 10/30/2002 9:16:22 PM PST by cornelis
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To: cornelis
The classes aren't horrible... It is the mandatory waste of time/credits to which we are subjected... And then we have to hear about how we are falling behind students in other countries!!
29 posted on 10/30/2002 9:17:17 PM PST by Krafty123
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To: AriOxman
Yes, that is another problem. Most of this stuff should be done with in high school.
30 posted on 10/30/2002 9:18:47 PM PST by cornelis
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To: Fzob
If I am an engineering major, then the University's job is to make me a good engineer, not teach me humanities.
31 posted on 10/30/2002 9:19:08 PM PST by Krafty123
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To: AriOxman
But wait. The same guys who build the bomb are not the same guys who say when to use it.
32 posted on 10/30/2002 9:21:31 PM PST by cornelis
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To: cornelis
uh...no. Try completing an engineering or, in my case, a physics major sometime. It's hard enough as it is without a bunch of useless touchy-feely literature crap to take up valuable course time. Unbeknownst to this poor fellow, most successful science majors also devote many hours to research projects in addition to their strenuous degree-track courses.

Moreover, all of these falsifications that make such waves in the press are almost universally scorned by knowlegeble folks. These guys who go straight to the press instead of waiting of the peer-review process set off all sorts of alarms in the minds of most professional scientists; it is a prime indicator of fraud. Very rarely does fraud sneak by editors of professional jornals, and when it does (as with the element 118 guy) it is quicky reported on and discussed. There is no epidemic of "fudging, misreporting of results, and outright fraud" due to an "unclear cultural heritage."

Nor is there some evil conspiracy in the "profession" to squash whistleblowers. Such accusations, however, are often made by raving nutters whose pet (mathematically inconsitent) theory is easily smashed by a bunch of 16 year olds on an astronomy bbs.

And where does this guy get off claiming we have no "narrative structure" or "moral sense"?! some of the world's most influential figures have a background in science. Heck, the "Man of the Century" is the also the world's best-known physicist! Furthermore, to claim scientists have no culture is simply ignorant. Vast collections of works have been written about the unique cultures within the scientific community. An entire genre of literature, science fiction, often scorned by this sort of intellectual snob, is largely written and consumed by scientists and scientifically trained people.

Personally, I don't care what any freaking journalism-major thinks about the issue. Whether or not a scientist appreciates Shakespeare or Italian opera has no impact on his ability to objectively ferret out the deep mysteries of nature. I DO NOT WANT OR NEED useless intellectual-appendix "liberal arts" courses on top of quantum mechanics, optics, partial differential equations, and abstract math to help me understand the laws of nature. This guy can take is "reactionary revolution" and shove it up his...ear!

GRRRRR!

< /rant >

33 posted on 10/30/2002 9:21:59 PM PST by Constantine XIII
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To: Constantine XIII
GRRRRR!

Temper, temper!

34 posted on 10/30/2002 9:24:33 PM PST by cornelis
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To: Constantine XIII
Well said!
35 posted on 10/30/2002 9:25:05 PM PST by WFTR
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To: AriOxman
If I am an engineering major, then the University's job is to make me a good engineer, not teach me humanities.

I believe the university's job is to make you an educated engineer. As such the humanities will be needed.

BTW, IMO no amount of schooling can make you a good engineer. They're born that way. Schooling just gives them the tools they need.

36 posted on 10/30/2002 9:25:22 PM PST by Fzob
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To: AriOxman
Amen brother! If we have to waste our time on English 101, World Marxism uh..history, etc., why shouldn't they at least have to take and pass some sort of fundamental logic course or Calculus I?

I know a guy who didn't get his engineering degree for nearly two decades because he couldn't pass some silly writing course. Luckily he was able to find an employer who recognized his talents in his specialty and hired him without a diploma.

Ahh...spleen pressure falling...:o)

37 posted on 10/30/2002 9:26:19 PM PST by Constantine XIII
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To: Constantine XIII
I see you have been deprived. Sorry to hear that.
38 posted on 10/30/2002 9:27:40 PM PST by cornelis
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To: cornelis
Most undergraduates are not even interested in a real education. In fact, most undergraduates aren't capable of covering more than one area of knowledge.
39 posted on 10/30/2002 9:28:57 PM PST by Nebullis
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To: Fzob
An equal percentage of Humanities and Social Science Majors can't balance their checkbooks.
40 posted on 10/30/2002 9:29:02 PM PST by Krafty123
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