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Physical Scientists Need a Liberal Arts Education
Modern Age ^ | Winter 1992 | E. Christian Kopff

Posted on 10/30/2002 8:03:45 PM PST by cornelis

It is not so obvious that physical scientists need a liberal arts education, rooted in the study of language. They themselves assert that they have no time for it. They have insisted on the abolition of language requirements in almost every university graduate program in America. This development is directly related to the massive amount of fraud which now typifies scientific publication in this country. This scientific community has lost track of the historical and ethical roots of our civilization, the only civilization which has fostered the scientific ethic and considerable scientific research and discovery. Increasingly young men enter the sciences who do not understand that science is not a given, but an achievement, a tradition of research and discovery which si the hard-won accomplishment of one culture, fostered carefully and slowly for millenia until the sixteenth and seventeenth centuries. Scientists have lost touch with their own culture. They live without a narrative structure which frames and makes moral sense of their lives. They seem to belong to no culture and feel the claims of no cultural norms, claims that would be introduced and reinforced by a rigorous study of their own cultural traditions over the past twenty-five hundred years. For such people the borderline between fudging, misreporting of results, and outright fraud becomes as unclear as their own cultural heritage. All too often it is those who report or investigate such fraud who find themselves de-funded by the "profession." The attainment of truth is possible only within a tradition, as Alasdair MacIntyre has suggested. A rootless, traditionless, monoglot scientific elite has lost the basis of discovery, in science or any other area. Since they cannot discover truth and will not live without grants, they must lie.

Recently conservatives have talked much of valuing creativity and an openness to the real world. If such an attitude is to be more than talk, we must face the fact that creativity is not found in every tradition. Ours is one of the few creative ones and we must work to re-establish our children's direct contact with that tradition, which is their own, after all. Despite all the changes recent decades have seen, culture is still transmitted primarily through language. The essential works necessary for understanding and transmitting our culture were written in Greek and Latin. Translations are marvelous tools, but no translation can be safely used or taught except by one who knows the original tongue. An educational curriculum founded on Greek and Latin gave us Jefferson and Adams, Burke and Samuel Johnson, not to mention Copernicus and Newton, Luther and Calvin, Michaelangelo and Bach. Educators have developed curricula and texts which can teach these languages on any level from pre-school through college. Most subjects that are important for formative education can be be taught through and with these languages. The materials are out there, lying in the warehouses of the Cambridge and Oxford University Presses. We have in our hands the making of a reactionary revolution of excellence. The questions we must ask ourselves are the following: Do we have the will to give our children their own culture back again? Do we have the courage to restore meaning and creativity to our nation?



TOPICS: Culture/Society; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: classics; education; godsgravesglyphs; greek; language; latin; liberalarts; science; scientism; scientist
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1 posted on 10/30/2002 8:03:45 PM PST by cornelis
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To: cornelis
No. It's HORRIBLE. I am a Freshman Engineering major at Pitt... And I am stuck taking 6 Social Studies/Humanities/ect. classes. What an utter waste of time - I would much rather take 6 other engineering courses. Why are liberal arts majors exempt from taking even 1 EE or CE course? And "educated adults" complain because the US lacks students in Applied Science/Engineering.
Ari
2 posted on 10/30/2002 8:16:06 PM PST by Krafty123
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To: AriOxman
We pray for you.

But what exactly is horrible? There are many factors.

3 posted on 10/30/2002 8:17:40 PM PST by cornelis
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To: cornelis
I do not recommend this. A liberal arts education is truly liberal. All you do in humanities classes is read stupid ass liberal/socialist books about the oppressive white man. F*** that! ONLY take science classes. DON'T take ANY humanities classes. The "cultural context" that this dumbass pines for is long gone. Accept it. We have effectively divorced ourselves from our history; there's no sense of continuity, of "us" or "ours" anymore. Also, I don't see why moral standards can't be demanded outside of one's cultural heritage. Do I really need to study Aristotle to know I'm not supposed to lie about my experimental results? What a POS article.
4 posted on 10/30/2002 8:32:54 PM PST by billybudd
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To: cornelis
I read Liberal Arts books for fun, do the Liberal Arts Professors read Physics books for fun?
5 posted on 10/30/2002 8:34:34 PM PST by Doctor Stochastic
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To: cornelis
I would agree that working scientists find an education in history, philosophy, and the language arts, especially English composition for those in the U.S., but unfortunately they will not obtain this in the politicized, value-free morass that is the modern university. What they will obtain is a weird amalgam of anti-intellectual tripe which holds as its base hypothesis the notion that there is no "absolute," meaning objective, truth, which is profoundy antithetical to what makes science work. Were science to attempt to function under the assumption that Mendeleev's table is no more valid than an alchemist's arcana and that their relative truth is merely a function of the observer, science as a body of knowledge would come crashing down into pop irrelevancy. However, it would at last be accessible to the sociology majors.


6 posted on 10/30/2002 8:41:51 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: Doctor Stochastic
Never "just for." Too much like dying "just for votes." Funism eventually ends in dispepsia.
7 posted on 10/30/2002 8:44:46 PM PST by cornelis
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To: Billthedrill
What they will obtain

It is true that many of the great books programs spawned by the U of C have been hijacked by debunkers. In any case, the author directs us toward learning the languages. Good programs exists (even many at the high school level) that allow, through language, the texts to inform us.

9 posted on 10/30/2002 8:50:41 PM PST by cornelis
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To: Dutch-Comfort; AriOxman
You have a real point.

This is one of the reasons for the popularity of alternative schooling.

10 posted on 10/30/2002 8:51:50 PM PST by cornelis
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To: cornelis
Liberal Arts majors desperately need physical sciences and economics...
12 posted on 10/30/2002 8:57:57 PM PST by xm177e2
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To: cornelis
They have insisted on the abolition of language requirements in almost every university graduate program in America. This development is directly related to the massive amount of fraud which now typifies scientific publication in this country.

What a nerve! Hasn't he heard about Michael Bellesisles (sp?), the History prof who was just fired from Emory for faking his gun-control data?

13 posted on 10/30/2002 8:58:11 PM PST by expatpat
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To: AriOxman
In today's world a good liberal education must equip one to read Scientific American, to read a graph, and understand basics of the sciences.

Many universities now require a good number of science and math courses for everyone.

On the other hand, I do think that science majors should know about culture...because they must be able to communicate with the human world (and in the process they must understand it).
14 posted on 10/30/2002 8:58:12 PM PST by edwin hubble
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To: cornelis
I suspect that this whine was written by a PhD in "classics" who suddenly realized that his degree has no market value. Instead of recognizing his own mistakes and urging young people to take classes that have some value, he is begging that people make engineers and scientists waste their time taking his class.

I understand the need for everyone to be educated about our history and culture, but the real transmission of ethics and values will only come through the family, the church, and to some extent our primary and secondary schools. By the time someone reaches college, making him go to classes in Greek and Latin is not going to make him an ethical person.

Much of what has gone wrong with this country in the past forty years has come from our forgetting the basic fact that first we have to make a living. I think learning about American history and even some about the classics is a wonderful thing. I've spent a great deal of time, particularly since leaving college, reading books about history. However, my first job is to make a living, and social science and humanities classes are not a part of my gaining the expertise needed to make a living.

Maybe when we reach the point where the average person won't spend half of his working life supporting the government, we can require technical people to waste their time on these nonsense classes. Until then, don't bother me. I have too much to do trying to support you.

WFTR
Bill

15 posted on 10/30/2002 8:59:36 PM PST by WFTR
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To: cornelis
I agree. The function of any school is not to instill knowledge, but a love of knowledge and a basic set of skills necessary to obtain and augment it. The most powerful item in the world used to be a library card. It is now a computer keyboard.

The difference between a wise teacher and an arrogant, postmodern fool is this: the former realizes that a journeyman carpenter needs tools and to be taught their use, the latter tries to present the carpenter with a finished house, ends up giving him or her a tarpaper shack and proclaims it a palace.

16 posted on 10/30/2002 9:00:32 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: cornelis
bump for later read and comment
17 posted on 10/30/2002 9:02:11 PM PST by Dr. Frank fan
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To: expatpat
The article is an excerpt!
18 posted on 10/30/2002 9:03:37 PM PST by cornelis
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To: cornelis
I might consider a liberal arts class when liberals consider engineering. Besides, most engineers are far more educated and experienced in life and the arts than any liberal ever will be. Who pays for liberal arts when it is unable to generate a product? Engineers and others whom are not working in the liberal arts, such as farmers and doctors, are the producers in society while the arts is a taker. The arts produces nothing for society except entertainment, and I cannot eat entertainment and it doesn't keep the rain off my head.

Ever notice that liberals want others to understand them, but they are unwilling to understand anyone else?

19 posted on 10/30/2002 9:06:21 PM PST by PatrioticAmerican
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To: WFTR
these nonsense classes

Kopff, who teaches classics at Boulder, noted that the educational curriculum was not a matter of texts, not classes.

20 posted on 10/30/2002 9:07:08 PM PST by cornelis
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