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Orlando gays puzzle over gay candidate who is also a Reagan conservative
The Associated Press in Sun-Sentinel ^ | October 28 2002 | Mike Schneider

Posted on 10/28/2002 9:25:10 AM PST by FlaFreedom

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Well, lets see how this plays in Peoria...errr Orlando.
1 posted on 10/28/2002 9:25:11 AM PST by FlaFreedom
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To: FlaFreedom
Well, duh. This is where diversity falls apart. What advantage, really, is there in having politicians with one form of sexuality over another? Or one skin color rather than another? It makes no difference. One might choose to tout it as diversity, but it's quite pointless.

Real diversity is when different ideologies are represented, so that good, honest debate may take place as politicians search for the solutions that will best benefit society. This is the form of diversity in which Leftists have absolutely no interest. It's why the gays won't vote for the gay guy if he's conservative and why Harry Belafonte belittles Colin Powell's accomplishments.

The only group that opposes diversity is the Left.

2 posted on 10/28/2002 9:34:39 AM PST by ClearCase_guy
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To: FlaFreedom
Well, the fact that people are surprised is just evidence of a particular type of profiling, which everybody does. Black=liberal democrat. Gay=liberal democrat. Jew=liberal democrat. Rich=Republican. Christian=Republican. And so on. The working assumption is that one's identifying trait is determinative of one's political philosophy.

I guess more than anything else it's a form of bigotry, and it plays directly into the D's strategy of interest group politics.

3 posted on 10/28/2002 9:35:12 AM PST by r9etb
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To: FlaFreedom
Mayor Hood and UCF Pres. Hitt oppose special treatment and special discrimination laws for gays.
4 posted on 10/28/2002 9:42:27 AM PST by stainlessbanner
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To: FlaFreedom
If there truly was a genetic connection between gayness and political affiliation, then there would be no way on God's green earth that this man could possibly have anything to do with conservative ideas.

I lived next door to a couple of gay guys once. Both of them voted for Ronald Reagan, both times, because, "Carter and them guys don't know how to run a business let alone the entire federal government."

5 posted on 10/28/2002 9:50:44 AM PST by Slyfox
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I had a gay friend that once told me, "it was a heck of a lot easier to come out of the closet as a gay to straight people, than it was to come out of the closet as a conservative to other gays."
6 posted on 10/28/2002 9:52:19 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: FlaFreedom
The chair of the local Democratic Party, for one, equated gay Democrats who support Howell with a "Jew voting for Hitler."

It's amazing how casually those RATS drop the Nazi analogy. They constantly compare Republicans to Nazis, the Klan or whatever. You would think that Republicans routinely march Jews into ovens and lynch black people. But let anyone accuse them of being pro-Communist (no matter how accurately) and they immediately scream "McCarthyism!". The irony is that McCarthy was 90% right, and certainly never killed anyone. The left OTOH slanders conservitives with false accusations all the time, but unlike McCarthy it never hurts their careers.

7 posted on 10/28/2002 10:01:27 AM PST by Hugin
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You would think that Republicans routinely march Jews into ovens and lynch black people.

You bet. It's always interesting to remind Leftists that, while the US didn't march anybody into ovens, we did put people in concentration camps -- and the President who did it was a Dem. Also, the lynchings and Jim Crow laws that the US experienced in the past were tactics used by the Democrats to maintain their authority in the South.

But somehow, the Republicans get blamed for all the evil in the world.

8 posted on 10/28/2002 10:11:42 AM PST by ClearCase_guy
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His Web site also has a picture of Howell with his arm around a woman and [his son] in what could be interpreted as a family portrait.

Here is the photo, you be the judge. As mentioned in the article, the web site recently added a line indicating the woman is Howell's campaign manager. Also, if you look carefully, you'll notice Howell is crossing his fingers behind his back.


9 posted on 10/28/2002 10:29:29 AM PST by governsleastgovernsbest
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Don't forget that "Nazi" was short for "National Socialist People's Party".
10 posted on 10/28/2002 10:31:48 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants
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Not only the Nazi analogy, but how about the "if you're gay you should be voting this way" thing. Pure stereotyping of the kind that would have people calling for an apologizing if uttered by a conservative.
11 posted on 10/28/2002 10:42:06 AM PST by CaptRon
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Don't forget that "Nazi" was short for "National Socialist People's Party".

The word "Nazi" is a contraction for Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei (NSDAP). In English that would translate to National Socialist German Worker's Party.

Socialist Workers. Hmmm. Yeah, that sounds very right wing to me. Try again, Rats.

12 posted on 10/28/2002 10:47:26 AM PST by Denver Ditdat
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Socialist Workers. Hmmm. Yeah, that sounds very right wing to me. Try again, Rats.

I think this is a wonderful example of the extreme arrogance of modern American leftists. Look, millions of Germans throughout the 1920's, 1930's and 1940's thought that the National Socialist Workers Party was a (wait for it!) Socialist Workers Party Hah! What suckers! Apparently they had no idea what the party stood for!

Of course, the wonderfully wise American Leftists of the current age see through this right away. They understand that the Nazis were right-wingers. They know better than the Germans who actually lived through the Nazi period.

13 posted on 10/28/2002 11:11:01 AM PST by ClearCase_guy
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To: Blood of Tyrants; ClearCase_guy; Denver Ditdat
Hitler added the "socialist" part to the National Socialist Workers' Party to make it more attractive to the electorate of 1920's Germany. Honestly Hilter was not socialist in common usage of the word. If fact Hitler preserved capitalism in Germany in many ways - Hitler saw Stalin and communism as a threat to the desires of the Nazis.

Hitler was evil - no doubt about it - but is was not because of his economics; it was for many other reasons.

14 posted on 10/28/2002 12:09:58 PM PST by afuturegovernor
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Okay. But it is still fun to tweak their noses with the full name of the Nazi party.
15 posted on 10/28/2002 12:29:38 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants
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To: afuturegovernor
State ownership of major industries sounds like one of the hallmarks of socialism to me. Also the concentration camps. I think the Nazis and the Commies have more in common than not. Really there's very little difference between the two. I'm confused by your comments - the Nazis were indeed a socialist movement.
16 posted on 10/28/2002 12:34:56 PM PST by motexva
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Hitler added the "socialist" part to the National Socialist Workers' Party to make it more attractive to the electorate of 1920's Germany.

I disagree with you. This viewpoint presupposes that Germans in the 1920's were politically naive. "I am a socialist, that is why I support the Socialist Party -- you know, the party that wants to prop up capitalism and oppress the workers. Socialism forever, that's my motto!"

The Germans had a rich stew of parties to choose from: Trade Unionists, Socialists, National Socialists, Communists. If Hitler called himself a National Socialist, but was not in anyway a Socialist, he would have been a laughingstock -- it would have been a dumb political move on his part.

Look at the Nazi's goals: control all aspects of society, re-invent religion, marriage and education so as to completely re-invent all social aspects of life. Outlaw dissent, smother the population with propaganda.

Sounds like typical left-wing goals to me. I consider myself right-wing because I want government to largely stay out of my life. Respect the rule of law, do only what is really necessary and let people run their own life. Does that sound like the Nazi philosophy?

Nazis were left-wing. By policy. By name. By action.

17 posted on 10/28/2002 12:39:40 PM PST by ClearCase_guy
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To: ClearCase_guy
You are soooooo right. Well said:

Real diversity is when different ideologies are represented, so that good, honest debate may take place as politicians search for the solutions that will best benefit society. This is the form of diversity in which Leftists have absolutely no interest.

18 posted on 10/28/2002 12:40:18 PM PST by GOPJ
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To: afuturegovernor
Hitler was third way.
19 posted on 10/28/2002 12:40:18 PM PST by chudogg
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To: ClearCase_guy
It's why the gays won't vote for the gay guy if he's conservative...

Agreed, but be careful. There are many conservatives who won't vote for a fellow conservative because he is gay. It can go both ways (so to speak).
20 posted on 10/28/2002 12:43:52 PM PST by BikerNYC
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