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Beltway Sniper Shootings-FR Commentary-Thurs., Oct. 24,2002
Fox News, CNN, Press Conferences | October 24, 2002 | Fox News, CNN, Press Conferences

Posted on 10/24/2002 2:38:22 AM PDT by wewillnotfail

Overnite, two men arrested while sleeping in their car at a reststop in MD. John Mohammed aka John Williams and his stepson Lee Malvo. Mohammad is thought to be the likely shooter.


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events; US: District of Columbia; US: Maryland; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: dc; maryland; religionofpeace; rop; shootings; sniper; terrorism; virginia
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To: Letitring
YES!!!!
1,161 posted on 10/24/2002 8:27:54 AM PDT by Mo1
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To: Letitring
Do you think that duck in a noose thingie activated the black muslim cells? Most of the people I've talked to thoughout the night and this morning seem to think so.

No Letitring, I don't think so. I don't believe LE would go on national television and say something that would jeopardize the citizens of this nation.

I believe Moose said that on his own to draw the sniper out. To make him make a move for the capture. But then I could be wrong.

1,162 posted on 10/24/2002 8:28:24 AM PDT by TexKat
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To: Carolinamom
LOL, I hope there is alot of radical pamplets in that car. :)I feel like the PUBLIC stopped another kill this morning. Wasn't there an exxon station right near that rest area? Off track, just something I wonder about.
1,163 posted on 10/24/2002 8:28:30 AM PDT by Letitring
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To: Letitring
Probably!
1,164 posted on 10/24/2002 8:28:32 AM PDT by mondonico
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To: GeorgeandtheDralgore
Where's the brain?

Doing what he does every night, Pinky...Trying to take over the world!

1,165 posted on 10/24/2002 8:28:35 AM PDT by mhking
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To: mhking
Fox News has an American Imam on saying that the perps aren't "real" muslims...urges all muslim-Americans to contact LE with any info they might have.
1,166 posted on 10/24/2002 8:28:47 AM PDT by LisaFab
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To: Letitring
Yeah, what IS with this media PC? All last night, they knew the guy was a Muslim, and they never mentioned that nor terrorism or even WONDERED ALOUD if there was a connection.
1,167 posted on 10/24/2002 8:29:01 AM PDT by Yaelle
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To: lsucat
crackers and "HONEY"...where have we heard that before..

Didn't one of them BIG BOYS in Saudi Arabia have something to do with Honey Imports or something??

Sac

1,168 posted on 10/24/2002 8:29:06 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Letitring
FOX Interviewing Islam apologist..trying to blame the shootings on "common criminals

"The Religion of Peace™"

1,169 posted on 10/24/2002 8:29:10 AM PDT by aeronca
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To: wewillnotfail
I really hope this is the guy. But some things in this don't pass muster.

The FBI searched a location near Marion, Ala., known as Camp Ground Zero USA — a place known to train militia groups. FBI sources told Fox News "they are not at liberty to comment" on the investigation and cannot confirm or deny their agents are investigating Camp Ground Zero USA. FBI sources told Fox News "they are not at liberty to comment" on the investigation and cannot confirm or deny their agents are investigating Camp Ground Zero USA

What? A search is not an investigation? HUH?

and

The Pierce County, Wash., sheriff's office said Muhammad was once stationed at Fort Lewis — an Army post south of Tacoma that provides some of the most intense sniper training in the military.

Why would a guy exposed to some of the most intense sniper training in the military need to go train with a bunch of bubba militia wannabes?

"Camp Ground Zero" sounds like a recent (post 9/11) setup. Or is the name supposed to invoke images of terrorism?

Let me get this straight, a black guy named Mohammed is training in Alabama in a "militia" training camp....? Is any one else ready to break out the BS repellent?

The image (something the nooze is expert at creating) is that Bubba Beerbelly is training arab type terrorists as part of some (sigh) grand right wing conspiracy.....

All in an election year, when the second amendment is (as always) an issue.

1,170 posted on 10/24/2002 8:29:29 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe
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To: BJR
If they knew it was them for 4 days and they had the license plate, then they could have saved the bus driver by releasing that info, maybe??
1,171 posted on 10/24/2002 8:29:59 AM PDT by Yaelle
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To: estpeter
What is the meaning of "duck in a noose"?

If you scroll back (or just go to google and do a search on "duck noose"), you'll see an eerily similarity to a Cherokee parable that basically says: You caught me, but in the end, bringing me down will prove to be your undoing (if I'm reading the parable right, and if you believe it relates to the parable). Could be perps felt the net closing in and tried to get the police to say that...to purposely scare people into thinking sleeper cells are being awakened. But God KNOWS how many PsyOp hands that statement went through before they allowed Moose to say it...I just can't believe they'd let something like this, if it's this obvious to US as a possible warning, through. *That* smells.

Being one of those who changes opinions every half second or so, I'm currently sticking with: Probably Al-Qaeda sympathizers, if any connection with AQ at all, as opposed to trained agents.

1,172 posted on 10/24/2002 8:30:06 AM PDT by Kip Lange
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To: Smokin' Joe
Why would a guy exposed to some of the most intense sniper training in the military need to go train with a bunch of bubba militia wannabes?

Williams/Muhammed wasn't a military sniper. He was a PFC mechanic.

1,174 posted on 10/24/2002 8:30:43 AM PDT by mondonico
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To: Letitring
Just as an aside - the Liquer Store shooting in Montgomery took place less than a block and a half from an interchange for I-85. Sound familiar.
1,175 posted on 10/24/2002 8:31:11 AM PDT by commish
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To: areafiftyone
I just heard on local radio (DFW WBAP Mark Davis) that Muhammed served as a bodyguard for The Reverend Louis Farakan during the million man march. Can anyone verify? (I have read all of the 1000 postings thus far, sorry.)
1,176 posted on 10/24/2002 8:31:12 AM PDT by zeaal
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To: lsucat
I also heard a report on a Fox news station this morning that John Allen Muhammad had at one time kidnapped his children and taken them to a Carribbean island.
1,177 posted on 10/24/2002 8:31:13 AM PDT by all4one
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To: Smokin' Joe
Let me get this straight, a black guy named Mohammed is training in Alabama in a "militia" training camp

They have no record of him attending the camp (at least that is what the spokesman for the camp said this morning. But maybe he went under another name.

1,178 posted on 10/24/2002 8:31:31 AM PDT by areafiftyone
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To: TexKat
I think the shooting by this pair is over. However, we may find other involved directly or indirectly. That is why they are qualifying their statements.
1,179 posted on 10/24/2002 8:31:32 AM PDT by gswilder
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To: estpeter
The Rabbit Goes Duck Hunting - Cherokee

The Rabbit was so boastful that he would claim to do what-ever he saw anyone else do, and so tricky that he could usually make the other animals believe it all. Once he pretended that he could swim in the water and eat fish just as the Otter did, and when the others told him to prove it he fixed up a plan so that the Otter himself was deceived.

Soon afterward they met again and the Otter said, "I eat ducks sometimes." Said the Rabbit, "Well, I eat ducks too." The Otter challenged him to try it; so they went up along the river until they saw several ducks in the water and managed to get near without being seen. The Rabbit told the Otter to go first. The Otter never hesitated, but dived from the bank and swam under water until he reached the ducks, when he pulled one down without being noticed by the others, and came back in the same way.

While the Otter had been under the water the Rabbit had peeled some bark from a sapling and made himself a noose. "Now," he said, "Just watch me;" and he dived in and swam a little way under the water until he was nearly choking and had to come up to the top to breathe. He went under again and came up again a little nearer to the ducks. He took another breath and dived under, and this time he came up among the ducks and threw the noose over the head of one and caught it. The duck struggled hard and finally spread its wings and flew up from the water with the Rabbit hanging on to the noose.

It flew on and on until at last the Rabbit could not hold on any longer, but had to let go and drop. As it happened, he fell into a tall, hollow sycamore stump without any hole at the bottom to get out from and there he stayed until he was so hungry that he had to eat his own fur, as the rabbit does ever since when he is starving. After several days, when he was very weak with hunger, he heard children playing outside around the trees. He began to sing:

Cut a door and look at me; I'm the prettiest thing you ever did see.

The children ran home and told their father, who came and began to cut a hole in the tree. As he chopped away the Rabbit inside kept singing, "Cut it larger, so you can see me better; I’m so pretty." They made the hole larger, and then the Rabbit told them to stand back so that they could take a good look as he came out. They stood away back, and the Rabbit watched his chance and jumped out and got away.

1,180 posted on 10/24/2002 8:31:47 AM PDT by CPL BAUM
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