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Hanover County Shooting [Ashland, Virginia- North of Richmond]

Posted on 10/19/2002 6:14:56 PM PDT by William McKinley

Just reported. Took place outside of a Ponderosa Steakhouse. Not sure if it is related or not at this time. Police have shut down parts of I-95.


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To: Roscoe
"Then help narrow the search. Or just act like a jerk.

It's your choice."


Yeah, you're a cop.

As always, the onus should be on the innocent to prove it.

Get ready with that DNA sample...



2,781 posted on 10/20/2002 2:32:04 AM PDT by PLMerite
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To: Thumper1960
If that were true they would ignore your postings rather than respond to them.

I'd rather argue with a fence post than to waste time and words on someone I dislike, and I think most folks are the same way.

2,782 posted on 10/20/2002 2:34:42 AM PDT by PeaceBeWithYou
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To: PLMerite; MJY1288
Rumor has it that the MSP/ATF are asking some Maryland .223 owners to "voluntarily" submit their weapons for ballistics testing.

You guys should talk.

2,783 posted on 10/20/2002 2:34:53 AM PDT by patriciaruth
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To: PeaceBeWithYou
Perhaps.
2,784 posted on 10/20/2002 2:36:13 AM PDT by Thumper1960
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To: Howlin
Instead of checking for the gun ... how about tracking the sales of a large caliber, long gun silencer. Nobody hears the crack of report to gauge direction ... the guy next to you just falls.

The Silencer peculiarity is a winnowing of sorts. So, it's the Silencer bought by a guy wearing Brown Dress Slacks who's nice enough, but doesn't get out much and keeps to himself - a quiet guy.

Pick him up boys, my work is done.

2,785 posted on 10/20/2002 2:38:57 AM PDT by ArneFufkin
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To: PeaceBeWithYou
Actually.........there were discussions way back when where some people I used to associate with had very different ideas of what they sought for America. Some people have no idea what lengths others will go to for dark purposes.

For what it's worth.

2,786 posted on 10/20/2002 2:40:36 AM PDT by Thumper1960
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To: ArneFufkin
People have heard the shots, but a .223 doesn't have a whole lot of report anyways. And I do believe silencers are illegal in all 50 states.
2,787 posted on 10/20/2002 2:43:25 AM PDT by PeaceBeWithYou
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To: Texasforever
How many owners have been contacted? How many have been forced to submit to ballistic testing?

MJY1288 was contacted by phone by the Maryland State Police. Ballistic testing was never mentioned.

2,788 posted on 10/20/2002 2:46:11 AM PDT by patriciaruth
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To: patriciaruth
"You guys should talk."

I'm missing the inference here, you wanna expand on that?
2,789 posted on 10/20/2002 2:47:35 AM PDT by PLMerite
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To: PeaceBeWithYou
"And I do believe silencers are illegal in all 50 states."

Maybe illegal in some, but not all.

They do have to be registered under the NFA ('34), and I'm pretty sure it's illegal to use one in a murder. You could get in trouble for that.

But the physics behind silencers isn't that difficult, nor is it classified. I understand they're relatively easy to make if a person isn't picky about looks.


2,790 posted on 10/20/2002 2:51:13 AM PDT by PLMerite
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To: demlosers
21-14...............man is this a great country or what!
2,791 posted on 10/20/2002 2:51:27 AM PDT by Fighting Irish
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To: AGreatPer
21-14.......Ah, ND!
2,792 posted on 10/20/2002 2:52:27 AM PDT by Fighting Irish
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To: All
Washington Post is reporting that the victim is 37 years old. Other reports say he is 60. Hope he recovers fully.
2,793 posted on 10/20/2002 2:55:44 AM PDT by RS_Rider
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To: PeaceBeWithYou
Ooops. I was partially wrong. 16 states and D.C. don't allow ownership. In the others you can, but it's regulated the same as machine gun ownership.

The Legalities Of Silencer Ownership

Contrary to popular belief, silencers are legal to own under federal law. There are, however, 16 states, plus the District of Columbia , that prohibit the civilian ownership of silencers. At this time, the following states allow private ownership of silencers: AL, AR, AK, AZ, CO, CT, FL, GA, ID, IN, KY, LA, ME, MD,MS, MT, NE, NV, NH, NM, NC, OH, OK, OR, PA, SC, SD, TN, TX, UT, VA, WA,WV, WI, and WY. Of the sixteen states which do not allow civilian ownership, CA, IA, KS, MA, MO, and MI allow class 3 dealers and class two manufacturers to possess silencers.

Silencers, like machine-guns, are proscribed under the National Firearms Act (NFA) of 1934, and are regulated by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms. The procedure for owning a silencer may seem daunting at first, but actually requires less paperwork than buying an automobile. The buyer then has the chief law enforcement officer (Sheriff, Chief of Police, head of state police agency, district attorney, a judge with the power of arrest, or any other law enforcement officer approved for this procedure by the National Firearms Act branch of the BATF) sign the rear of the Form 4 attesting the prospective purchaser does not possess a criminal record and is not wanted. The two fingerprint cards must be completed and signed by a law enforcement agency. The completed paperwork is then sent to the Department of the Treasury with a check or money order for $200.00. The $200.00 is known as a transfer tax, as it must be paid each time ownership of the silencer is "transferred" (in this case, the dealer to the prospective purchaser). As long as the silencer is owned by the same person, the tax need not be paid again. Only if the owner sells it will a new transfer tax need to be paid. An owner may will his silencer to a lawful heir, with no tax incurred.

Once the paper work is submitted, it normally takes less than sixty days to receive the approved, stamped paperwork from NFA Branch. It is only upon the return of the approved paperwork that the dealer can allow the prospective purchaser to take possession of his new silencer. A copy of the approved paperwork must accompany the silencer at all times (the original should be stored in a safe deposit box). Silencers can be transported to other states which allow their ownership, but to transport a silencer into one of the sixteen states which prohibit private ownership can subject the owner to serious state felony charges.

criminal record and is not wanted. The two fingerprint cards must be completed and signed by a law enforcement agency. The completed paperwork is then sent to the Department of the Treasury with a check or money order for $200.00. The $200.00 is known as a transfer tax, as it must be paid each time ownership of the silencer is "transferred" (in this case, the dealer to the prospective purchaser). As long as the silencer is owned by the same person, the tax need not be paid again. Only if the owner sells it will a new transfer tax need to be paid. An owner may will his silencer to a lawful heir, with no tax incurred. Once the paper work is submitted, it normally takes less than sixty days to receive the approved, stamped paperwork from NFA Branch. It is only upon the return of the approved paperwork that the dealer can allow the prospective purchaser to take possession of his new silencer. A copy of the approved paperwork must accompany the silencer at all times (the original should be stored in a safe deposit box). Silencers can be transported to other states which allow their ownership, but to transport a silencer into one of the sixteen states which prohibit private ownership can subject the owner to serious state felony charges.

2,794 posted on 10/20/2002 2:56:37 AM PDT by PeaceBeWithYou
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To: PeaceBeWithYou
Hmmmm...That was definately strange.
2,795 posted on 10/20/2002 3:01:18 AM PDT by PeaceBeWithYou
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To: miffmole
why not do a MRI?"

Assume bullet is metal. Magnetic Resonance Imaging cannot be done when metal is present, as metal resonates too much in the magnetic field, like you can't put metal in a microwave.

CAT scan (computerized axial tomography) would be okay as it is just a bunch of Xray slices coordinating by a computer.

However, I suspect the simple Xrays they took in the ER have probably told them most of what they need to know for the moment.

2,796 posted on 10/20/2002 3:09:58 AM PDT by patriciaruth
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To: PeaceBeWithYou
Well, if the shots were heard ... the concept fades. I pray this murderer halts his needless path of death. The guy needs to die or be arrested ... today.
2,797 posted on 10/20/2002 3:16:43 AM PDT by ArneFufkin
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To: PeaceBeWithYou
AndAlsoWithYou

Good morning all. I've just gotten up and had no idea about this shooting last night. Trying to catch up with this thread, but with nearly 2800 posts amassed overnight, it's going to be tough. IMHO, this is a related killing. I did have a horrible thought - if this killer left the scene, headed to higher ground over the hundreds of cars stopped by LE on the interstate, and took a shot into the queue. I can't (don't want to) fathom the resulting panic.

I'm praying for this gentleman and his family.
2,798 posted on 10/20/2002 3:21:28 AM PDT by Quilla
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To: PLMerite
He already posted #2662. When I "pinged" you both together and suggested you talk (about his experience), I didn't know he'd already told his tale on this thread.
2,799 posted on 10/20/2002 3:28:33 AM PDT by patriciaruth
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To: Arkinsaw
f they catch this guy as a result of doing something they have been specifically forbidden to do they might have a problem when some judge tosses out the only murder weapon and everything discovered because of it/

I haven't read the whole thread but I'm glad to see someone finally brought this up.

2,800 posted on 10/20/2002 3:58:06 AM PDT by wewillnotfail
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