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Nosey mom tips off cops (Wichita Massacre)
Washington Times ^ | 10/15/02 | AP

Posted on 10/14/2002 11:36:24 PM PDT by kattracks

Edited on 07/12/2004 3:57:58 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

WICHITA, Kan. (AP)

(Excerpt) Read more at washtimes.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: carr; day6; kansas; trial; wichita; wichitamassacre

1 posted on 10/14/2002 11:36:24 PM PDT by kattracks
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To: kattracks
This is so D*AMN typical! The media ALWAYS ignores black on white crime and infact, doesn't even give the race when it is black on white until the absolutely have to. Indie is about to change his name to MADDOG!
2 posted on 10/14/2002 11:40:52 PM PDT by Indie
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To: kattracks
Toni Greene told jurors yesterday that she was just being a nosey mother when she
went through the jacket pockets of a young man her teenage daughter had met at
the mall days earlier.


That's why there are moms...because G-d can't be eveywhere at once.

I hadn't heard this wrinkle of this saga. Good for this lady.
As far as I'm concerned, she should say a few Hail Mary's, leave a few bob in the plate,
and just don't be nosy again.
Unless her intuition tells her otherwise!
3 posted on 10/14/2002 11:42:52 PM PDT by VOA
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To: Indie
Yep! Drives me crazy too.
4 posted on 10/15/2002 12:47:08 AM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: VOA
I agree with almost all you say. When it comes to your kids, I believe in being nosey, if you have the slightest inclination that you need to be. It's not that you don't trust them. It's that sometimes you need to protect them from themselves. It's a dirty job, but someone needs to do it. Your kids may hate you for a while. In time they'll understand. You shouldn't make it obvious, but you should do whatever it takes.
5 posted on 10/15/2002 12:51:36 AM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: kattracks; TroutStalker; alfa6; mjaneangels@aolcom; carlo3b; dennisw; Judith Anne; AK2KX; ...
"Wichita Massacre" murder trial "Ping List".

Please let me know if you want on (or off) this list.

See:  'I was afraid,' witness says [Wichita Massacre Day 6]  for more Day 6 details.
6 posted on 10/15/2002 5:05:47 AM PDT by KS Flyover
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To: VOA
Good for this lady? Are you kidding me? She lets her daughter bring home some gang banger from the mall and lets him sleep on her couch-- Just out of curiousity, how long was he there that he became so tired? She proved herself to be good citizen but a piss-poor mother. When her daughter turns up pregnant by this soon-to-be-executed homicidal maniac, are we all going to sit around again and sigh, "What a great Mom!" This is crazy. The woman is a bad mother for letting her daughter tramp around like that, even if she did bring to justice a murderous felon.
7 posted on 10/15/2002 7:18:43 AM PDT by Under the Radar
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To: Indie
Yet this particular article did indicate the race of the perps & victims, so what's your beef here?
8 posted on 10/15/2002 7:25:03 AM PDT by Psycho Francis
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To: Psycho Francis
Member profile

Psycho Francis-flame baiting liberal disruptor

After being banned under another name, RE-signed up 2002-10-01.

9 posted on 10/15/2002 7:51:07 AM PDT by republicman
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To: DoughtyOne
No your kids wont hate you, they will just mistrust you, which is worse. And that trust is not easily rebuilt. Don't be surprised when they start acting the same way.
Perhaps being more involved in our kid's lives would be a better solution than rummaging through their personal affects and violating their trust. What kind of lesson is that teaching them; That the end justifies the means or that two wrongs make a right?

My son trusts me. And I would never violate that trust.
10 posted on 10/15/2002 10:05:40 AM PDT by Search4Truth
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To: republicman
Stay on this "loser(disrupter)" Republicman this "psycho" seems to haunt these Wichita threads.
11 posted on 10/15/2002 2:14:41 PM PDT by Rightly Biased
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To: Rightly Biased
--Stay on this "loser(disrupter)" Republicman this "psycho" seems to haunt these Wichita threads.--

You can bet I will. And I hope you and others will too.

12 posted on 10/15/2002 7:29:22 PM PDT by republicman
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To: kattracks
I hope I live long enough to see these slimeballs hang.
13 posted on 10/15/2002 7:33:02 PM PDT by tet68
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To: Search4Truth
Yeah I know, I know. Let me give you a good dose of reality. When my 13 year old daughter was giving us trouble, I used my scanner to monitor her phone calls. We had a cordless phone and I could pick them up. During one of them she discussed suicide with one of her best girl friends. This best girl friend had a mom who allowed eighteen to 21 year old men to come over and mess around with her 13 year old at their home. My daughter got off the phone and asked if she could go over to her girl friend's home. As a matter of fact she did tell me she hated me when I said no. BFD. She's alive today and lives a pretty good life.
14 posted on 10/15/2002 11:13:45 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: DoughtyOne
Maybe you should consider some wireless cameras to monitor your daughter. You could also use some wireless microphones too. You could setup your own spy net

Well trust does not seem to be high on your list of values. There's not one word of this is your response.

Your spying of your daughter is contemptable. Maybe if your daughter trusted you more she would come to you with her concerns. But then, you have destroyed that trust.

I can't imagine an adult behaving in such a way.
15 posted on 10/21/2002 9:05:51 AM PDT by Search4Truth
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To: Search4Truth
I have to put in my .02cents..

I don't know if you're just extra lucky or naive. But keep an open mind.

I know of a parent who has 3 kids. 2 are great and they have a wonderful trusting relationship with their mom and dad. The parents do not feel a need to be snoopy etc.. On the other hand, they have one child who via their instincts know that some of the child's friends are bad. The child is "too secretive", combative and non-communicative. It's not the parents fault the child is that way....they've pulled their hair out trying to get the child to "behave properly"..

So, naturally, they are worried about the child's well-being, safety, education, drugs, sex and you name it, they are worried. They have EVERY RIGHT to investigate, snoop and be overly cautious. They have that right because they are expected to limit the behaviour of a child who is either starting to get out of control, or be out of control.
16 posted on 10/21/2002 9:19:52 AM PDT by Freedom2specul8
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To: Search4Truth
To: Search4Truth

Yeah I know, I know. Let me give you a good dose of reality. When my 13 year old daughter was giving us trouble, I used my scanner to monitor her phone calls. We had a cordless phone and I could pick them up. During one of them she discussed suicide with one of her best girl friends. This best girl friend had a mom who allowed eighteen to 21 year old men to come over and mess around with her 13 year old at their home. My daughter got off the phone and asked if she could go over to her girl friend's home. As a matter of fact she did tell me she hated me when I said no. BFD. She's alive today and lives a pretty good life.

14 posted on 10/15/02 11:13 PM Pacific by DoughtyOne
 

To: DoughtyOne

Maybe you should consider some wireless cameras to monitor your daughter. You could also use some wireless microphones too. You could setup your own spy net

If it contributed to saving her life, keeping her off drugs or keeping her from developing a sexual relationship with 18 to 21 year olds, when she was 13, I'd do it in a second.  Evidently you're have a bit of a comprehension problem here.

Well trust does not seem to be high on your list of values. There's not one word of this is your response.

Let me see, she talked of committing suicide with her friend, yet the issue of trust remains prominant in your mind.  Okay...

Your spying of your daughter is contemptable. Maybe if your daughter trusted you more she would come to you with her concerns. But then, you have destroyed that trust.

Well, she didn't come to me and tell me she was flunking out of middle-school.  She didn't tell me that she'd been caught on campus smoking.  She didn't tell me she was having sex with adult men at this girl friends home.  She didn't tell me she was using drugs over there as well.  My spying, as you call it, was instigated due to suspicions of these activites taking place, when they started coming to light.  It wasn't something that I practiced as a general rule.

I can't imagine an adult behaving in such a way.

And I can't imagine anyone being a big enough air-head to think that there would never be times when general rules would not apply.  When trust breaks down, parents have to react the only way they can.  If you can't grasp this, good for you.  It means you've never had to deal with the problems I did.

15 posted on 10/21/02 9:05 AM Pacific by Search4Truth

17 posted on 10/21/2002 11:17:58 AM PDT by DoughtyOne
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