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Maryland Sniper Shootings-FR Commentary
Fox News, CNN | October 10, 2002 | Fox News, CNN, Press Releases

Posted on 10/10/2002 2:15:12 AM PDT by Peach

To avoid multiple vanity threads regarding any news that comes from press conferences, let's keep a live commentary thread going again today.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Maryland; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: banglist; maryland; sniper; virginia
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To: ET(end tyranny)
Thinking over pattern of killings, leaning toward this being terrorist activity; not sure now with discovery of the tarot card. Someone posted that murderers with environmental connections in the 1970's left tarot cards at the crime scene. Someone else mentioned Michaels' association with the Wyly family and Green Mountain Energy. Did some research and came up with some very interesting information.

Michaels craft stores are indeed run by the Wyly family of Texas; their management and presence on the board of directors have come under much criticism the last several years. The Wylys also are involved with Green Mountain Energy company. Although marketing itself as friendly to the environment, apparently, it really isn't and there is a boycott campaign among enviros. So apparently, the Wyly family, also into oil investments, represent all that the enviros hate about America.

Of the killings, three have taken place at or near gas stations and one at a auto dealership, two at a Michaels and another, I think, near a Michaels. One was in front of a Crisp and Juicy restaurant (PETA and enviros share anger and anti-capitalistic leanings). Another was in front of the Post Office, symbol of our government, another target of their vitriol.

The group boycotting Green Mountain Energy seems to use legal means of protest. They have done a lot of background research on this company, linking it to the Wylys and what they stand for. Not all enviro groups use legitimate means. Browardchad posted a link to Earth Liberation Front and their MO bears a careful look. They operate in small cells to maintain security of group members. Like Al Queda terrorist cells, they easily fit the "sleeper cell" profile": they are anonymous and decentralized, allowing individuals to control own activities.It seems to me that a lot of the reasons why many of us, me included, have believed this series of murders to be a Muslim terrorist activity applies equally well to enviros, who hate America as much as foreign terrorists. A crazy group of enviros could decide to act on an issue presented by a legitimate group and do it "their way."

Enviro activists are also far more likely to use tarot cards than Muslims. The whole New Age movement has at its base the belief that we can be our own gods.

The only two shootings that do not fit in with this theme is the little boy and the older man from DC. And the only thing that I can see tying the two of them together is race (we presume the boy to be black), other than the fact that they are the youngest and oldest victims. The only thing I could find that could possible tie race into enviros is the upcoming environmental conference dealing exclusively with "people of color." The Second National People of Color Environmental Leadership Summit is going to be held in DC October 23-27, 2002. Not sure what to think about that.

The last concern of mine here is that the Wylys donate heavily to Republican politicians and, not surprisingly, donated a lot to the Bush campaign, a fact that raised a lot of ire at the time. If there is any grounds at all to this line of thinking, I would think that the president could be linked by association to this umbrella of concerns held by enviros.

522 posted on 10/10/2002 11:34:43 AM PDT by twigs
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To: swarthyguy
No apologies necessary. I'm glad you basically confirmed what I saw/heard for a split second on CNN as I was walking into a room.
523 posted on 10/10/2002 11:35:00 AM PDT by Peach
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To: ET(end tyranny)
It would cause people to drive out of their way, looping around the closed road. Not a big problem unless there's a concert at the nissan pavalion.
524 posted on 10/10/2002 11:36:05 AM PDT by relee
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To: Grampa Dave
Thanks for the link! Brings back the whole horrible thing...I was living in SF at the time of those killings, and the Zebra killings were the first thing I thought of when I heard about the Maryland killings.
525 posted on 10/10/2002 11:37:52 AM PDT by livius
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To: twigs
R. Michael Rouleau is CEO of Michaels. PETA has targeted Michaels because the stores sell rabbit skins for use in craft projects.
526 posted on 10/10/2002 11:38:48 AM PDT by Jrabbit
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To: Pete
I would not want to shop or gas up very close to an entrance ramp to I-270 until they catch this guy.
527 posted on 10/10/2002 11:38:48 AM PDT by relee
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To: Shooter 2.5
They seem to get a lot of things wrong. When I went to bed it was a head shot, shotgun, probably not related.

Then today, the shooting is consistent with other shootings, shot in upper torso.

When they get small things AFU it makes me skeptical of any new information that is released. I guess that is why free republic thrives.

I thought Fox was better than this .
528 posted on 10/10/2002 11:38:53 AM PDT by bluecollarman
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To: relee
There is a post in Breaking News that says FR was mentioned in the most recent press conference and that someone on FR is spreading incorrect information. Anyone hear anything about FR mentioned in the press conference?
529 posted on 10/10/2002 11:39:43 AM PDT by Peach
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To: Fred Mertz
Thank you. I thought knowing his first name would help, but it didn't. I had a teacher in Rockville named Mr. Ebert who I thought I heard became a lawyer. I thought it was high school(checked my yearbook) but it must have been jr. high.
My how time flies...
530 posted on 10/10/2002 11:40:03 AM PDT by valleygal
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To: walkingdead
Of course I'm sure I'll get some replies letting me know that it's ok for Arabs to buy white vans, and it means nothing. We wouldn't want to racial profile now would we.....

Don't forget to add, "Move along now, nothing to see here," and "Religion of Peace." Then you'll have the complete set of Ostrich Phrases.

531 posted on 10/10/2002 11:40:28 AM PDT by Chemist_Geek
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To: Peach
I think the abuse button may be pressed pretty quickly on that thread I just mentioned that's currently in Breaking News. It's not an attributed newspaper article that mentions FR (whew). We don't need a bad rep with the feds.
532 posted on 10/10/2002 11:42:17 AM PDT by Peach
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To: Peach
The Court TV website has a timeline for the shootings.

It was appear that the earliest in the morning was the third shooting, 7:41 AM, in Montgomery County, MD (Oct 3, lawnmower). The latest in the morning was the sixth, 9:58 AM, also Montgomery County (Oct 3, gas station).

The earliest in the afternoon was the eighth, 2:30 PM, in Fredericksburg, VA (Oct 4, parking lot), next earliest was the first shooting, 5:20 PM, in Montgomery County (Oct 2, windows of art supply store, nobody hurt), and the latest in the evening was the seventh, 9:15 PM, in DC (Oct 3, sidewalk).

Apparently the sniper keeps regular hours and might work part-time (or full-time but in a job that allows him to travel) but is occupied in the middle of the day (is the 2:20 shooting a fluke, a day he called in sick, etc.?).

533 posted on 10/10/2002 11:42:23 AM PDT by DonQ
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To: Pete
I hope you're wrong. One of my sisters works up that way and I have other family up in those parts.
534 posted on 10/10/2002 11:42:36 AM PDT by valleygal
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To: mystery-ak
witness says it was a white paneled van.

Seem like the van could be a White Chrysler Caravan Cargo Mini-Van or a White GMC Safari Cargo Minivan. Both vans don't have side windows. Don't know about the panels.

535 posted on 10/10/2002 11:44:13 AM PDT by aj1
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To: relee
I would not want to shop or gas up very close to an entrance ramp to I-270 until they catch this guy.

I don't want to alarm Freepers in the area since I am just speculating on the location but I agree with you.

536 posted on 10/10/2002 11:44:53 AM PDT by Pete
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To: Peach
I guess when one of us are BANNED we will figure it out??? LOL!!!
537 posted on 10/10/2002 11:46:38 AM PDT by antivenom
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To: DonQ
College student????
538 posted on 10/10/2002 11:47:56 AM PDT by antivenom
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To: valleygal
I hope you're wrong. One of my sisters works up that way and I have other family up in those parts

I hope I am wrong, too. However, on Tuesday I posted that I hoped I was wrong about them going West down 66. I wasn't. As others have said, it may be prudent to stay away from shopping centers and gas stations around Interstates until this guy is caught. If I was in your shoes, I would call my family and give them that advice.

539 posted on 10/10/2002 11:48:04 AM PDT by Pete
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To: DonQ
I wonder if he's a delivery guy (panel truck) who has a slow day and can take time to stake out a place he's already selected. Maybe on weekends he drives around looking for places with a clear shot and quick get-away.
540 posted on 10/10/2002 11:48:50 AM PDT by Peach
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