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A History of French "Warfare" (Surrender)
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Posted on 09/06/2002 5:33:20 PM PDT by zapiks44

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To: Isle of sanity in CA
Time to bring out a little blast from the past: France: An American Tourist’s Guide
21 posted on 09/06/2002 5:59:38 PM PDT by ABG(anybody but Gore)
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To: zapiks44
You left out the most important one of all: Algeria, 1954-1958. As British historian Paul Johnson said, this "left France without a soul." I think he is right. Their failure in Algeria convinced them that it is impossible to use force well, or morally.
22 posted on 09/06/2002 5:59:40 PM PDT by LS
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Down with all cheese-eating, surrender-monkey, Euro-Trash!!


23 posted on 09/06/2002 5:59:48 PM PDT by Cornjonny
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To: zapiks44
Let me add, though, to jump to Waterloo and miss 1798 to 1807, when French armies (after 1800, under Napoleon) utterly obliterated the rest of Europe's finest, is simply silly. This was a French army ALWAYS outnumbered (often 2:1 or 3:1) that force an entire Austrian army of 100,000 to surrender without a shot, they had been so badly beaten; and a French army that defeated two major enemies in two different battles at the same time (Jena/Auerstadt). Even Waterloo was a close thing, and a few minor changes in events would have left Napoleon the winner there, too.

Also, it is simply off to say that Martel defeated a "raiding party." He completely stopped Muslim expansion, because they had no answer for his massed infantry (the "wall of steel") or his stirruped-cavalry.

24 posted on 09/06/2002 6:03:45 PM PDT by LS
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To: ABG(anybody but Gore)
The Frankish Kingdom was based in Achen, Germany. It later spilt into German and French counterparts. The most famous of its leaders was Karl Der Grosse, aka Charlemagne.

I personally believe that the better part of France must have been lost during their violent revolution in which they tried to emulate, but sadly betrayed, most everyting this country stands for.

While traveling in Europe 2 years ago, I took my family through France. The only rule was that we would not spend a dime there. Instead, we lunched in a very charming town in Belgium -- Brugge.

At the days end, and after explaining why my wife and I detested the French, I asked my young sons to remember that day. That if they ever pass through France they should never contribute any money to that miserable economy or its thankless people.

25 posted on 09/06/2002 6:05:38 PM PDT by CT
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To: CT
I agree wholeheartedly. I'll always have a softspot for the British people, because they've always stood by us. As for the cheese-eating, surrender monkey, French ingrates.....
26 posted on 09/06/2002 6:11:34 PM PDT by ABG(anybody but Gore)
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To: zapiks44
Remember the kid down your block who always walked with a swagger and considered himself far superior to all the other kids - even though he was scrawny, limp-wristed, wore thick glasses, mumbled, couldn't throw a ball, and had greasy hair? Well, in countries, that's France.
27 posted on 09/06/2002 6:12:38 PM PDT by yendu bwam
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To: ABG(anybody but Gore)
Time to bring out a little blast from the past: France: An American Tourist’s Guide ..

In general, France is a safe destination, although travelers must be aware that from time to time it is invaded by Germany. Traditionally, the French surrender immediately and, apart from a temporary shortage of Scotch whisky and increased difficulty in getting baseball scores and stock market prices, life for the American visitor generally goes on much as before. A tunnel connecting France to Britain beneath the English channel has been opened in recent years to make it easier for the French government to flee to London during future German invasions

Classic!!

28 posted on 09/06/2002 6:13:47 PM PDT by Isle of sanity in CA
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To: CT
The only rule was that we would not spend a dime there.

LOL! I went to Paris on a tour from England while I was stationed there and bought all my souviners at the American Embassey.

29 posted on 09/06/2002 6:24:43 PM PDT by operation clinton cleanup
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To: ABG(anybody but Gore)
Ingrates is correct. If we didn't bail them out, they would be goose-stepping and speaking German while having members of their population being made into lampshades and soap bars.
30 posted on 09/06/2002 6:29:24 PM PDT by Cornjonny
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To: zapiks44
Just a few balancing points:

At Yorktown, the vast majority of "Washington"s" Franco-American Army consisted of French soldiers. The French fleet prevented the British fleet from reinforcing or evacuating Cornwallis's Army. The French general graciously allowed Washington to accept Cornwallis's surrender. There is no way we could have won that battle by ourselves. Of course we dare not say that in our history books.

On a single day in October of 1806, Napoleon crushed the Prussian Army with two hammer blows at Jena-Auerstadt. The Prussian army simply disintegrated. Intact Fortesses surrendered to summons from cavalry troopers. Not too shabby of an accomplishment against the best trained army in the World.

The French probably fought about a hundred pitched battles during Revolutionary and Napoleonic Wars 1792-1815, winning about 80% of all the battles. No one I know has matched that record against opponents who possessed the same technology.

If the American Army of May 1940 had faced the German Army they would have folded in 6 days not 6 weeks like the French did.

31 posted on 09/06/2002 6:35:01 PM PDT by Eternal_Bear
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Is the author familiar with who the Franks were. The Franks were Germans who migrated to the soughwest of france and the northern part of Spain. There was a Frankish kingdom for a brief period. It seems to have spontaneorsly dissolved and the population was absorbed into nothing. Look in the historical atlasses for a record.
32 posted on 09/06/2002 6:38:03 PM PDT by RLK
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(France gets beat up on 2 different continents by England and Germany plus the early future Americans - a guy named George Washington ring any bells?)

Actually, George Washington's major accomplishment in the French and Indian War was a humiliating defeat at the hands of the French.

33 posted on 09/06/2002 6:57:13 PM PDT by NovemberCharlie
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Didn't he build Ft Necessity between two hills rather than on top of them?
34 posted on 09/06/2002 6:58:45 PM PDT by weikel
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To: Eternal_Bear
The French actually had a good military record between the time of the accension of King Henry IV and Napolean's defeat at Waterloo. Since Waterloo the French have been terrible.
35 posted on 09/06/2002 7:00:36 PM PDT by weikel
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To: zapiks44
Austerlitz
36 posted on 09/06/2002 7:01:22 PM PDT by bert
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To: zapiks44
With the French being as they are...can anyone explain how they wound up with a rather impressive 'nuclear arsenal'?
37 posted on 09/06/2002 7:04:52 PM PDT by RCW2001
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To: weikel
Didn't he build Ft Necessity between two hills rather than on top of them?

Yep. When it rained, his stores of gunpowder got soaked, rendering them useless. Washington was forced, without an interpreter, to sign a document assigning him the blame for starting the war.

38 posted on 09/06/2002 7:06:58 PM PDT by NovemberCharlie
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France vs. Europe - War of Spanish Succession 1648 A.D. (France tries to fight rest of Europe over Spain and looses to Frederick William of Germany) France vs. Europe - 7 Years War or French Indian War 1756 A.D. (France gets beat up on 2 different continents by England and Germany plus the early future Americans - a guy named George Washington ring any bells?

This post is filled with garden variety stupidity, but this paragraph is breathtakingly stupid.

The war that ended with the peace of Westphalia in 1648 was the Thirty Years War, not the War of Spanish succesion. In the 30 yrs war, the French Bourbons completely vanquished the Austrian/Spanish Hapsburgs and established themselves as the dominant power in Europe.

In the War of the Spanish Succession (that ended in with the peace of Utrecht in 1713) the French, despite having to fight nearly alone against almost all of Europe, ended up getting exactly what they wanted (a submissive Bourbon dynasty in Spain) while the erstwhile Spanish allies basically got screwed.

As regards Washington, France, the Seven Years War and surrender, we don't want to go there, either. Washington surrendred to the French and then confessed to war crimes in a document written in French (which he could not read.)

And finally, your analysis of the first World War... well...

What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. . . . may God have mercy on your soul.

- Billy Madison

39 posted on 09/06/2002 7:09:37 PM PDT by Castlebar
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No. 19 . . . LOL!

Is that monkey actually eating CHEESE!?!?! Tell me yes! Please! Sacre bleu!

If only we could convince them to stick to wine and cheese and the ancienne cuisine (and perhaps some literature, Hugo and Stendhal for choice) and lose the warfare and politics . . . .

40 posted on 09/06/2002 7:10:34 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother
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