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Posted on 08/24/2002 2:37:20 AM PDT by FreedomFriend
Given that the illegal invasion in California and much of the country has come from our neighbor to the south, and being the Mexicans are considered "Hispanic", I think that it is only fair to show general graphic displays of the invasion.
For the following pictures, you will need to know what each color represents. Thus,, here is the key.
1990
Beige 0.0%-16.6% Hispanic
Yellow 16.7%-33.2% Hispanic
Green-Yellow- 33.4%-53.0% Hispanic
Olive Green- 53.3%-75.2% Hispanic
Forest Green- 75.5%-100.0% Hispanic
2000
Beige 0.0%-18.5% Hispanic
Yellow 18.6%-36.2% Hispanic
Green-Yellow 36.3%-55.6% Hispanic
Olive Green 55.7%-76.4% Hispanic
Forest Green 76.4%-98.4% Hispanic
Check out the size and scope of the invasion as it has manifested itself over the years in the LA area, and compare each LA area from 1990 to 2000.
LA Central 1990
LA Central 2000
LA East 1990
LA East 2000
LA Southeast 1990
LA Southeast 2000
LA North 1990
LA North 2000
LA West/Far West 1990
LA West/Far West 2000
Given that the numbers are slightly differentiating, the contrast between 1990 and 2000 is somewhat weakened. However, despite the number variation, the contrasts can clearly be seen.
The best solution to the problem of illegal immigration from Mexico might be for the United States military to invade and occupy Mexico. Then we could install a new government in Mexico to replace the 19th century type of elitist, corrupt government that is currently in place there.
I think the funniest thing I ever saw was when I was in a restaurant and the staff instantly became a "tour group" from Mexico. The manager and his wife and the white help covered while the Mexicans sat down and ordered a meal, pretending to be customers. The INS can check employees but not customers. The manager was POed because they all ordered the most expensive items on the menu. They had a great time being the most demanding customers and running his fanny off. The INS didn't have a clue.
When we lived in Mexico (for eight years), it took us five years of much burocratic nonsense, money (bribes) and numerous documents to even arrive at "resident status". Then to become a real immigrant there were many more burocratic hoops to jump through and mordidas to pay. We never became "imigrados," but were regarded as "residentes." If the Mexican government can and does exercise such strict, legal controls over immigration to their country, why can't we insist that our laws be obeyed? Please explain if you disagree and why.
I am concerned that the Republican Party and Pres. Bush are ignoring this growing menace to the Republic. If they don't wake up soon, they are sure to lose support. Tell your Reps and Senators (over and over--I have done so and will continue).
Or, you can stay where you are at, and work to change the current political reality: that there exists, among the Socialists haunting the counties and state agencies of California, an evil conspiracy managing the systematic recruitment and funnelling of illegal Mexican interlopers into the California Welfare abyss. They're building another immutable and dependent voting bloc that will further entrench their power. It's vile, and Californian's should rise up and assert their rights, codified through various Propositions, that have been oppressively seized by Marxist jurists and permitted by a grossly derelict Attorney General's office.
Or, you can choose to move to a state or county where your elected leaders care about your hard earned wages, our unique and precious American culture and community, and the fundamental rule of law.
California, from a political standpoint, is a corrupt cesspool right now. Californians, Arizonans, Texans etc. need to take their communities back. On a local, city, county and state level. It's the entitlements and benefits showered upon newly arrived illegals that feeds this serious disease threatening our national security, prosperity and American institutions. That's the source, and that's the cure. The School Board members, County Commissioners, State Welfare Bureauzombies and the rest of the cynical Political Class who are managing this infiltration need to be thrown out the door ASAP.
The nature and scope of the illegal immigration crisis is well developed here on FR at this point. Now what?
The maps showing the demographic concentrations of specific ethnic resident within cities, these tables and figures illustrating the population growth of particular ethnic or racial groups in select geographic areas, are really irrelevant to the discussion. The issue is illegal immigration by ANY foreign national, of any ethnicity, not the influx of any particular group.
Do we have too many Mexicans in Los Angeles and San Antonio? Are there too many Germans in Milwaukee? Are there too many Cubans in Miami? Are there too many Irish in Boston, too many Greeks in Detroit, too many Norwegians in the UP, too many Italians in Philly, too many Koreans in Seattle, too many Mormons in Salt Lake City? That's not for us to judge.
Mexicans, like Germans and Cubans and Poles and Russians and Scandanavians before them, should be expected to assimilate into the American culture - our language, our work ethos, our respect for the rule of law and property - as a precondition to their authorized entry here. No welfare from the people of the communities they are joining. If they don't have employment or a sponsor, they're not welcome here. Period. If they're not given a means of life sustaining resources by a third party (i.e. Government), they'll leave on their own. They won't starve when in the umbrella of family and friends in their homelands of Mexico, or Somalia, or Estonia or Malaysia. The guy with a sturdy back isn't going to bring Grandma and the toddlers into this country with him if there isn't some insipid ghoul from a Social Service Agency, Immigrant Support entity or left-wing religious advocacy mob there to take Grandma and the kids by the hand, and walk them down to the County Center to get them signed up for the food stamps, health care, housing and enrollment into public school systems that they are going to need to live amongst us.
If we have 20 million, 30 million or 50 million native born Mexicans here legally, working honestly, embracing English language and American cultural tools, obeying the law and raising their families in a peaceful, honorable and prosperously constructive manner, that's fine with me. We've got plenty of room for newly arrived Americans of good faith, hope and conduct. That's what we're about.
Mexican-Americans,...Anyone who sees themselves as this is part of the problem not part of the solution. People who reside in Mexico City are Americans or more properly north Americans.
Is that something you can back with documentation
Yes. Check out the State of California web site particularly review the governor's web page and news releases.
By your statistical comment, if my veteran buddies' parents were wetbacks, then their children and grandchildren would be the "progeny" which you reference
You're correct. Your veteran buddies are included if their parents immigrated after WWII.
Anybody out there know how one distinguished an illegal vs. legal immigrant, in the 1840s through 1870s
It's academic and beside the point. Immigrants before WWII and paticlarly before the 1900's were a fairly stable percentage of the California population and are statistically insignificant compared to the flood that started after WWII and is which is increasing geometrically with each sucessive decade since 1960.
I can't be angry with other people (and their progeny), trying to better themselves
I can; easily. The current generation of emigre are not pursuing their dreams on their own. The majority are depending on the public largess to get their start (starting with the birth of their new citizen progeny in public supported hospitals) and many are uncomfortable with assimilation.
I have a feeling that much of the Midwest is absolutely infested with them.
I wonder what a Map showing the concentration of Baptist worshippers would look like .... how about a map of blue eyed men and women? I'll bet they're heavily concentrated in the same areas that them Irish, Scotts, Germans, Dutch, Swedes and the rest of the Northern European horde who swarmed alarmingly over the American landscape centuries ago now live.
What's the point? The issue is the presence of ILLEGALLY resident foreign nationals here. There are a few sweethearts from the Al-Qaida glee club here that I'm fretting. They want to kill me.
I have news for him, if he had made this speech in America he wouldn't be president right now, and I certainly would never have voted for him. I don't intend to fall in line, let him take the Republican party on a wild ride left, just to keep a demoncrat out of office.
I'm pleased that you respected the sincerity of my comments. By way of reciprocation, tell me about your life experiences with immigrants.
Where do you live?
What is the current immigration situation in your area?
Do you have any friends who are or are connected with fairly recent immigrants?
Under the Constitution, the "progeny" are citizens. I'll grant some problems. There were problems, in the past, with certain ethnic and racial groups, and still are.
Basically, I disagree with your fears about "progeny." Maybe I have simply seen good examples, and you have seen either bad examples or no examples.
Respectfully,
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