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To: truth_seeker
I respect the sincerity of your comments so let's take them one at a time.

Mexican-Americans,...Anyone who sees themselves as this is part of the problem not part of the solution. People who reside in Mexico City are Americans or more properly north Americans.

Is that something you can back with documentation

Yes. Check out the State of California web site particularly review the governor's web page and news releases.

By your statistical comment, if my veteran buddies' parents were wetbacks, then their children and grandchildren would be the "progeny" which you reference

You're correct. Your veteran buddies are included if their parents immigrated after WWII.

Anybody out there know how one distinguished an illegal vs. legal immigrant, in the 1840s through 1870s

It's academic and beside the point. Immigrants before WWII and paticlarly before the 1900's were a fairly stable percentage of the California population and are statistically insignificant compared to the flood that started after WWII and is which is increasing geometrically with each sucessive decade since 1960.

I can't be angry with other people (and their progeny), trying to better themselves

I can; easily. The current generation of emigre are not pursuing their dreams on their own. The majority are depending on the public largess to get their start (starting with the birth of their new citizen progeny in public supported hospitals) and many are uncomfortable with assimilation.

77 posted on 08/24/2002 5:24:12 PM PDT by Amerigomag
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To: Amerigomag
I respect the sincerity of your comments so let's take them one at a time.

I'm pleased that you respected the sincerity of my comments. By way of reciprocation, tell me about your life experiences with immigrants.

Where do you live?
What is the current immigration situation in your area?
Do you have any friends who are or are connected with fairly recent immigrants?

Under the Constitution, the "progeny" are citizens. I'll grant some problems. There were problems, in the past, with certain ethnic and racial groups, and still are.

Basically, I disagree with your fears about "progeny." Maybe I have simply seen good examples, and you have seen either bad examples or no examples.

Respectfully,

80 posted on 08/24/2002 6:15:34 PM PDT by truth_seeker
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To: Amerigomag
The majority are depending on the public largess to get their start (starting with the birth of their new citizen progeny in public supported hospitals) and many are uncomfortable with assimilation.

Those folks shouldn't be here. You need to start raising hell with your elected officials, county boards and agencies, school administration brass and state welfare agencies to stop that largesse. You can't waltz into your neighboring county and be granted access to the benefits and programs funded by, and designated for, that county's legal residents. They'd tell you to scram, you aren't a legal resident of that county. Yet, these same agencies grant immediate eligibility to folks who aren't legal residents of our COUNTRY. That's absurd. Some ballsy and honorable county attorney has to take this to court, if there are state or federal mandates ensuring illegally resident foreign nationals access to the public resources WE fund. The drain on our public resources, especially in schools that are required to provide bi-lingual instruction to foreign nationals illegally living here is an onerous and oppressive insult to the taxpayers of that district.

Don't blame the immigrants, they're being recruited in Mexico, Somalia, Haiti and elsewhere by agents of Democrat and Ethnic Identity groups like LaRaza who are trolling for new entitlement voting blocs, and they're being actively directed into our welfare systems and schools. To the indigent Mexican, they are improving the economic lives of themselves and their families and agents within our government are literally grabbing them by the arm to give them goodies. What do you expect them to do? The bad guys are the ones facilitating their movement here and putting them on the dole.

81 posted on 08/24/2002 6:23:12 PM PDT by ArneFufkin
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