Posted on 08/07/2002 1:40:59 PM PDT by JohnFiorentino
A former NTSB Board member, Dr. Vernon L. Grose has petitioned the NTSB and Congress to reconsider the TWA Flight800 investigation.
In his letter to current NTSB Chair Marion Blakey, Grose urges NTSB to reconsider it's position. He states he has no desire to undermine much of the fine work done by the NTSB.
In writing to the Honorable Paul E. Kanjorski of the US House of Representatives, Dr. Grose is a little more pointed, stating; "I am available to you as a resource in obtaining whatever support you require to seek the truth that, in my opinion, has been subverted."
The complete text of Dr. Grose's letters can be viewed here.
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"They say that if you wave a magic wand, presto, you’re a federal employee, you’re all of a sudden better than the other person." The newly federalized guards may not be better than they were before, but they will be better paid and have better job security. The appropriate precedent is the Post Office, or Amtrak.
You won't answer this question because you have not made a single substantive argument so far.
I will restate it as many times as require to get you to answer it: If airport screeners are so highly qualified and deserving of far more than minimum wage, why is it that a high school diploma is not required of them?
Nope. No missile.
TOO MUCH physical evidence points, however, to an outward-open forward cargo bay door that failed ...
Too many other pilots 'in the line' in that flight coridor that evening saw -NO- missile ...
What - DO YOU THINK that TWA800 was the ONLY aircraft flying that evening?
That, my friend, would be extremely simple thinking on your part if so ...
Paging art bell - paging Art Bell ...
Trans World Airlines Flight 800:News Reports from Associated Press, Reuters, major newspapers, press releases from NTSB, FBI
The engines on the right side of the plane both suffered more damage than those on the left, Investigators have said the right side of the Boeing 747, near where the wings meet the fuselage, suffered the most smoke and fire damage.
The right inboard engine was relatively intact but suffered ``foreign object damage'' from debris sucked in while it was apparently still running.
A computer simulation of the final moments of Trans World Airlines Flight 800 has placed the blast that downed the plane in a small site on the jet's right side, The New York Times reported Friday. The simulation shows that almost everything in the first spray of metal, luggage and other material blown from the plane came from a confined area above and ahead of the right wing.
A safety board official told CNN Friday that investigators found "striking damage" to two seats in Row 23 on the right side of the plane; the two rows behind them -- 24 and 25 -- were missing. The row 26 seats were found. "There's no question that's interesting, but it does not get us to the end game," a federal investigator said.
A separate source identified the damaged seats as Nos. 9 and 10, the far right seats nearest the wing and over the center fuel tank. He described the damage as fist-sized holes in the steel-plated back supports. "There are holes in those seats," the source said. But, "there is no conclusion to be drawn from that evidence at this time." Rows 17 to 28 in the coach section of the doomed jetliner have been under intense investigative scrutiny for the past week or so because of fire damage where the passenger cabin meets the right wing.
Meanwhile, the mystery of what happened to TWA Flight 800 deepened Monday. Investigators who have examined the center wing box -- the area between the wings -- say it shows fire damage in some areas but not in others, sources told CNN's Carl Rochelle. Some of the fractures in the wing box have soot in them, while others do not, according to the sources. They said the finding suggests that a portion of the Boeing 747 may have broken before it burned in the July 17 explosion that brought down the jetliner.
Damage in the center section, where the metal bulges outward in some areas and dips inward in others, further puzzled investigators. Only one of the jumbo jet's three recovered engines shows fire damage, the sources said. Fans on the other two engines were intact when found and were not turning when the engines hit the water, the sources said. They said those two engines hit the water at a relatively "flat" angle, meaning they were moving forward -- not straight down.
Two rows of missing seats from the center of the jumbo jet could help pinpoint the location of the explosion that brought down the plane off New York's Long Island, killing all 230 people on board. As recovery efforts in the Atlantic Ocean continue, rows 24 and 25 on the right side of the Boeing 747 are still missing, a source who has seen wreckage recovered so far told CNN.
The missing rows are located just a few feet behind the front edge of the right wing, where the wreckage shows the greatest amount of fire damage. In rebuilding the jumbo jet in hopes of finding the cause of the crash, investigators have been concentrating on the midsection, from rows 17 to 28.
Referring to the seats in those 12 rows, Robert Francis, vice chairman of the NTSB, said Thursday they were more heavily damaged than other parts of the plane.
Two seats on the farthest right side of row 23 had fist-sized holes punched into their sheet metal back supports, sources told CNN Friday. Row 23 is directly in front of the missing rows.
Computer simulation Investigators are working with a computer simulation to try to recreate what happened when the plane was blown apart shortly after takeoff from New York's John F. Kennedy International Airport, an NTSB official confirmed. Such a simulation is standard in most crash investigations.
Investigators are looking closely at the engines, especially the third engine, which reportedly showed evidence of fire damage. In the Long Island hangar, investigators began tearing apart the No. 3 engine, the only one of the three recovered so far that shows fire damage. It's the engine closest to the fuselage on the right side.
Comment:The distinct crash similarities of aircraft type, radar returns, wreckage plot, sudden short loud sound, abrupt power cut, fodded engines, inflight damage, missing bodies, torn off noses, and start place of damage qualify three aircraft into one class from which the deduction may be made that one unifying cause had the same effects.
Another accident with the same similarities except for a torn off nose and less wreckage may also be included in that class. The unifying cause for all four accidents is the inadvertent opening of the forward cargo door inflight. 27 Mar 97
You mean "The Truth Squad" donm't you?
We, unlike a lot of you, base our conjecture and hypothesis on actual physical evidence as well as known trends and failure modes seen in certain equipment designs that occur time and time again -
- as opposed to the wide-eyed hypebole issued based on intangibles and well-entrenched, self-propagating contemporary theories ...
If airport screeners are so highly qualified and deserving of far more than minimum wage, why is it that a high school diploma is not required of them?
You said they deserved more than minimum wage. All they do is stand there and harrass people. Forty hours of training and you are an airport screener. How difficult is that? That qualifies for minimum wage in my book, and it will qualify for zero when all the airlines go out of business because travelers refuse to subject themselves to airport/concentration camps. I flew seven time in 2001, two times in 2002, and it will be zero times in 2003.
2) Since you love to "bet" I betcha that very few of them are without a high school diploma.
"In late December, The New York Times kicked up a stir by reporting that the Transportation Security Administration, a new federal bureaucracy, had backed away from plans to upgrade airport security by requiring personnel to hold high school diplomas. Such a requirement, it turns out, would remove one in four current employees -- 7,000 people -- from their jobs."
And that's not counting the non-citizens.
"Meanwhile, the government plans to lean on the INS to put the workers who would lose their jobs under the new law’s citizenship requirement on a naturalization fast track."
The TSA is not about security, it is about make-work.
Unlikely.
The possibility of correctly assigning the blame to the *first* causal event that worked to bring TWA800 down in the form of an aged Boeing 747-100: the inadvertant opening/failure of the forward cargo bay door, would -not- sit well with the aviation transport industry.
Since this event -has- happened before - much egg would be therefore scheduled for a lot of what are now clean-looking faces ...
... he's not an entirely a disinterested third party in this *only* looking for the truth - now is he?
What does he have in the works - a book perhaps?
Is he perhaps consulting for a movie-maker? A so-called maker of documentaries? (Who was it said: Follow then money!)
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