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Former NTSB Board Member Wants TWA800Investigation Re-opened By: John Fiorentino
8/7/02 | John Fiorentino

Posted on 08/07/2002 1:40:59 PM PDT by JohnFiorentino

A former NTSB Board member, Dr. Vernon L. Grose has petitioned the NTSB and Congress to reconsider the TWA Flight800 investigation.

In his letter to current NTSB Chair Marion Blakey, Grose urges NTSB to reconsider it's position. He states he has no desire to undermine much of the fine work done by the NTSB.

In writing to the Honorable Paul E. Kanjorski of the US House of Representatives, Dr. Grose is a little more pointed, stating; "I am available to you as a resource in obtaining whatever support you require to seek the truth that, in my opinion, has been subverted."

The complete text of Dr. Grose's letters can be viewed here.

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KEYWORDS: aviation; cia; fbi; ntsb; twa800list; twaflight800
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To: scouse
A spokesman for Los Angeles International Airport said: "We have instructions to confiscate anything that looks like a weapon or a replica. "If GI Joe was carrying a replica then it had to be taken from him."

Are these the new crack federal airport security workers? LAX is a joke of an airport... and you can't even get a shoeshine there, either.

21 posted on 08/08/2002 10:50:10 AM PDT by TheEngineer
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To: Raymond Hendrix
Yea it might be a good idea to find out who fired the missile. Who knows, it might even lead us to another terrorist.

You got it. That's exactly why the Feds have been covering it up.

22 posted on 08/08/2002 8:50:05 PM PDT by japaneseghost
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To: japaneseghost
It's been brought to my attention by some that another of my articles dealing with TWA800 is just "too unbelievable" or "way-out" to be taken seriously. I have decided to post here and on other threads the source verification for that article. The article in question is here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/727674/posts

Below you will find verification:


THE NEW YORK STATE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT OFFICE
AFTER ACTION REPORT
THE CRASH OF TWA FLIGHT 800
17 July 1996 OFF THE COAST OF LONG ISLAND, NEW YORK



EXECUTIVE SUMMARY........
(excerpts)

One of the missions the Guard accepted was controlling all flight operations at East Moriches as of 6:00 a.m. Sunday, July 21. Helicopter traffic grew heavier at the small Coast Guard station as the recovery operations at sea expanded. Divers were ferried out to the local-state-federal flotilla at sea and investigators, dignitaries and families were being transported to the Coast Guard station for briefings, etc. The need for tighter control over air operations became evident after it was learned that for the first 2 ½ days, a man claiming to be a U.S. Army Reserve lieutenant colonel bluffed his way onto the Coast Guard site -- wearing a U.S. Army Reserve green flight suit and flashing official-looking identification cards -- directed landings and takeoffs. It was later determined that he was an imposter. On Sunday, the Coast Guard requested, through SEMO, a grader to improve the landing strip. On Monday, July 22, a new asphalt landing strip was constructed by the Suffolk County Department of Public Works with assistance from equipment provided by the DMNA task force.

FULL TEXT HERE

http://www.nysemo.state.ny.us/TWA/SUMMARY.HTM





23 posted on 08/09/2002 2:46:30 AM PDT by JohnFiorentino
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24 posted on 08/09/2002 4:15:45 PM PDT by timestax
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25 posted on 08/09/2002 4:17:46 PM PDT by timestax
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To: Paul Ross
You mean anyone who doe's not agree with you is a disruptor? Maybe you should get over to DU where people of your mindset dominate. The biggest disinformation clown ever on FR was Michael Rivero. His blame it on the Navy garbage prevented a serious look at a man pad taking out 800 from ever being taken. If you can find it get the book Stinger. It was published in the late eighties, can't remember the author. Great read. What happened to 800 is described in the book only years earier and as a novel.
26 posted on 08/09/2002 8:10:33 PM PDT by willyone
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To: JohnFiorentino
Remember the clown at the I-40 bridge in Oklahoma? Sounds the same. Busy guy.
27 posted on 08/09/2002 8:13:10 PM PDT by willyone
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To: willyone
Gee, if the shoe fits. Disruptors are already screened by the able folks who have volunteered to keep this a civil forum...and a valuable one based on the 'signal to static' ratio. Disinformants are typically paid to produce static...perpetuating falsehoods, and confusion and complacency. Those on the payroll for Disinformation Ops, betray a key tactic when they engage in ad hominem attacks after attempting to personally smear even the most-respectable and professsional lead researchers, or raise a quibble into a mountainous objection, in any dispute over whatever controversy they are attempting to keep quelled. The 'cover story' has to be upheld at all costs.

As to man-portable SAMs taking out TWA Flight 800 I will keep an open mind. But SOME missile, from somewhere, appears from the overwhelming amount of information discovered to date to be the culprit. So I will reserve judgment as to all options. BTW: If it was a Navy fiasco (which I truly pray it wasn't) ... can you honestly say, from all we know about him, that Bill Clinton would not have done EXACTLY the same illegal stuff to keep a lid on it for his political momentum? (Can't you just hear Carville sneeringly say, It's the economy, stupid!).

28 posted on 08/10/2002 7:12:09 AM PDT by Paul Ross
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To: willyone
ALLEGED IMPOSTOR APPARENTLY IDENTIFIED

David Williams of Bay Shore, N.Y., entered the TWA Flight 800 crash site claiming to be an Army Reserve colonel. He was sentenced separately in 1996 to six months in jail for impersonating a doctor.



Authorities search for bridge collapse impostor
2002-06-07
By Clayton Bellamy
Associated Press Writer


TULSA - The man who called himself Capt. William Clark wore a green beret, camouflage fatigues and shiny boots. And he didn't hesitate to give orders after the deadly interstate bridge collapse.
But even as emergency workers followed his orders, they began to suspect something was not quite right about Clark, who claimed to be with U.S. Army Special Forces.

Maybe it was his paunchy stomach, or how he hot-rodded an all-terrain vehicle, kicking up rocks on the riverfront near a boat ramp used to launch rescue missions.

Indeed, authorities Friday continued searching for Billy Clark, an ex-convict from Tallapoosa, Mo. They say he impersonated an army officer to take command of the launch site for nearly two days after 14 people were killed when an Interstate 40 bridge fell in eastern Oklahoma.

Clark is just the latest in a string of alleged impostors who have bluffed their way into restricted areas after national disasters.

Jerome Brandl, who posed as a volunteer firefighter to gain access to the collapsed World Trade Center, was sentenced in March to one to three years in prison.

David Williams of Bay Shore, N.Y., entered the TWA Flight 800 crash site claiming to be an Army Reserve colonel. He was sentenced separately in 1996 to six months in jail for impersonating a doctor.

Catherine Felicitas, who pretended to be a doctor to meet relatives of victims of TWA Flight 800, was also removed from restricted areas after the crash of Swissair Flight 111 in New York in 1998.

Relatives and investigators say Clark, 36, has a history of assuming false identities to gain free meals, free rooms or merchandise.

"It's just a big ego trip," said Lt. Brent Grill, lead police investigator in Van Buren, Ark, where Clark is accused of renting rooms and not paying. "It's a fantasy of his, which becomes a reality when he gets to play the part."

Clark arrived in Webbers Falls just two hours after the May 26 bridge collapse and told Mayor Jewell Horne that he was in charge. He even gave media interviews.

What made him more convincing was that he already knew about one of the victims - Army Capt. Andrew Clements - before any bodies had been pulled from the river, Horne said.

He asked Horne for Clements' briefcase and laptop computer, which had been found in the water, Horne said. He searched them.

"He knew way too much way too early," nurse Melanie James, who had volunteered to help at the riverfront, told the Muskogee Phoenix. "He had the military thing down to a T. He was clean-shaven. He fit the part. His boots were even shined."

Authorities are not sure how Clark knew about Clements, his briefcase or his laptop.

Crawford County, Ark., authorities issued an arrest warrant for Clark Thursday on one charge of felony theft of services, alleging he didn't pay for eight rooms he rented at a Super 8 motel on May 28.

Clark told the motel clerk the rooms were for bridge collapse volunteers and put "Do Not Disturb" signs on seven of the rooms, which were never occupied, Grill said.

He said Clark approached Van Buren police officers who were at the motel on an unrelated call and told them he was a captain with U.S. Special Forces on leave from Pakistan.

The FBI is also investigating the impostor, but won't confirm they're searching for Clark. But Oklahoma Highway Patrol Capt. John Harris said the FBI told him that Clark is their suspect, too.

Grill said police in Searcy, Ark, have seen Clark's car, a powder blue 1985 Ford Mustang with New Mexico license plates. The car's registration gives a Las Cruces, N.M., residence, Grill said.

Clark left the car at a dealership and drove off in a truck he was test-driving, Grill said.

Clark was released from the Central Missouri Correctional Center in Jefferson City on December 11, after serving three years for felony stealing, said Tim Kniest, spokesman for the Missouri Department of Corrections.

He was paroled in Sept. 1999 but absconded two months later before returning to prison in January 2001 to complete his sentence, Kniest said.

Clark was also placed on two years probation in 1999 for passing bad checks in Butler County, just north of his bootheel hometown of Tallapoosa, Kniest said.





29 posted on 08/10/2002 8:21:58 AM PDT by JohnFiorentino
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To: JohnFiorentino
This is an incident that is much more readily accounted for by delusional people listening to their scanners than by anything more sinister. I bet you will find the same people at every big fire or wreck, too. All the more annoying to have to weed them out from Al Quaida's recon.
30 posted on 08/11/2002 6:33:46 AM PDT by eno_
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31 posted on 08/15/2002 7:03:38 PM PDT by timestax
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32 posted on 11/15/2002 4:55:34 PM PST by timestax
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33 posted on 11/15/2002 4:58:23 PM PST by timestax
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To: Alamo-Girl; _Jim
I hope it will be reopened!

Me too!

How I wish I knew this NTSB board member. I would love to talk to him about his reasons for believe the truth was subverted.

34 posted on 11/15/2002 4:59:02 PM PST by Republic
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35 posted on 11/16/2002 4:59:44 PM PST by timestax
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36 posted on 11/16/2002 5:17:22 PM PST by timestax
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37 posted on 11/18/2002 6:39:19 PM PST by timestax
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38 posted on 11/18/2002 6:46:18 PM PST by timestax
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39 posted on 01/09/2003 9:35:08 PM PST by timestax
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To: timestax
Was the investigation ever done? What was the 'outcome'?

I can remember some of Michael Rivero's posts. He had some radar 'shots' of the crash area, and the 'boat traffic' in the area. I distinctly remember his pointing out ONE 'ship/boat' that was 'leaving the scene' as the others were 'racing towards the crash site'. I think Michael was making the 'point' that the one ship/boat may have been the one that fired a missile.

40 posted on 01/09/2003 10:02:22 PM PST by mommadooo3
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