The Coming World War

Self | 08/05/2002 | Prysson

[Prysson]

The Coming World War

Many people will disagree with the assertion made by the title. War they will say is not inevitable. Unfortunately they are not looking at the facts…or at least they are not looking at the history.

1400 years ago an Islamic Empire established itself, sweeping across North Africa and into Spain and even Southern France before finally being stopped by the Franks. This clash between Islam and Western Civilization (or as some would refer to it a clash between Islam and Christendom) has not ceased since that day. Muslim incursions into Europe occurred again and again over the course of the millennium and a half that followed, and yes to be fair their were plenty of western incursion into the middle east.

This war has been ongoing and despite what some people might believe did not cease with the collapse and break up of the Ottoman empire following World War I. Contrary to popular belief the break up of the Islamic Empire did not in fact put an end to Imperial Islamic aspirations. Gahdafi, Ayatollah Khomeni, Saddam Hussein and others have all hinted at if not openly declared their intention to:

A. Establish an Islamic Empire. B. Spread that Empire to every corner of the globe.

The evidence out there is overwhelming. Just as a single example; as late as 1995 a council of more than 80 Islamic Nations gather to discuss the Islamic Conquest of Africa. Their stated objective was the total conquest of African as an Islamic continent. With Arabic as the official Language and Islam as the official religion. This council is not an anomaly neither in recent history nor in ancient history.

Since its conception Islam has attempted to spread its religion (by flame and by sword) to every corner of the globe. It is an imperative of the religion. I grow tired of people ignorant of the truth trying to tell me that Islam is a religion of Peace. I am particularly tired of people who have never read the Quran (Koran) telling me that it is a religion of peace. It is not. Their 1400 year old history of trying to conquer and convert the entire globe is proof of that. Their murderous and ceaseless attacks against western civilization are further evidence of that.

They claim that the West (lead by America) practices hegemony. That is actually very true. The west has practiced hegemony against the Islamic world for more that 1400 years. What else can you call it when for fourteen hundred years western civilization has fought off invasion after invasion. Now the west tries desperately to prevent the recreation of an Islamic Empire. Other forces at work in the Middle East try desperately to overcome this obstacle.

Why is war inevitable? For the same reason war was inevitable in Europe 1938. Because a world wanted to insist that peace was possible despite every peace of evidence that it was not. State Department type diplomats convinced their leadership that Hitler and Germany could be dealt with peacefully. That war could be averted. That violence was not necessary. What they got a war that brought them to their knees and almost destroyed them.

Today that same blindness, that same peace at all costs attitude pervades the rest of the world. Just as in 1938 the rest of the world wanted to stick its collective head in the sand and pretend that Germany was not really a threat…so to today is our world full of people who wish to stick our collective heads in the sand. We appease and prevaricate and in the end we give them time. Time to build their arsenals of weapons of mass destruction. All the while thinking that somehow we can convince these people not to use them. Somehow we can convince these people who have not ceased fighting us for fourteen hundred years to suddenly make nice. Somehow, we can convince these people whose only goal and objective is our destruction that we can live peacefully even though their very religion tells them that they must conquer us. (and don’t tell that it doesn’t because 1400 years of Islamic Conquest proves you wrong)

That is why War is inevitable. Because eventually they will have their weapons. And just as we fail to understand them and the reasons why the MUST conquer us…they too in their ignorance of us and our customs will fail to realize why they will never succeed in conquering us. That we would never let them and they will never have the power to succeed. Aided by their cultural failings that tell them that seeking peace and conciliation are weaknesses rather than a moral imperative they will see us as weak because we fail to do what we should which is ACT…and in the end that failure will cause a worse war.

Do not get me wrong. I do not intend to paint a doom and gloom picture and the destruction of the world. They are not powerful enough to defeat us, nor are they patient enough to wait until they are strong enough, before they strike. And in the end they do not understand us enough to know that they would be well advised not to. Such a war would only have one possible outcome. Their utter annihilation. It saddens me, and angers me some as well, that so many will be lost that do not need to be if we would only accept what is and what must be and strike now while we can and not wait until the inevitable explosion that is to come.

[lavaroise]

Not your war nor your peace will put your souls at rest but G_d. Author unknown.

[lavaroise]

I am religious...Not Muslim though...I just don't subscribe to your intolerant bible thumping view that ANYONE but "Christians" are DOOMED TO HELL!

The left would say that if you do not support Palestinians you are a homophobe.....

[stuartcr]

We hated Brits when we had a war with them, now they are friends...we hated southerners/northerners when we had a war with them, that's over....we hated Germans when we had a war with them, now we're friends....we hate Muslims now, eventually we won't. What's the big deal?

[Prysson]

Peace in Islamic terms is a very different thing than peace in Christian Western terms.

For a westerner who says...lets have peace. They mean lets stop fighting come to the table and settle our differences so we can stop the killing.

For a muslim in accordance with their faith. Peace is the Peace of Allah. It is achieved when all of the world falls under Islamic control. All infidels and unbelievers are killed. Those christians and Jews remaining are allowed to remain christians and jews but they exists as second class citizens and they must still follow the law of Muhammad.

Should a muslim kill you and you were a christian they would not be severly punished for it. Death can not be prescribed for a muslim killing a non-believer under the law of Mohammed. Women are property. Then when all of that is achieved and the world comes under the dominion of Islam...there will be peace. So to a muslim who says he wants peace...it is actually like saying I want to conquer you and force you to submit to my religion.

Now does every muslim in the world believe that...no I dare say they dont.I have no doubt that just as there are difewrent sects of christianity there are different sect of Islam. But what difference does that make. A minority of Muslim moderates who dont actually want to conquer the world is not a basis for an effective defense in the face of the vast majority of them that would gleefully slit our collective throats. If the Catholic Church was out screaming for the heads of all easterners would you argue that easterners shouldnt be concerned because Dutch Reformers dont hate them. The moderates are not in control. If they were I would not be advocating a war. If they as a people werent ceaslessly trying to expand there influence even at the point of the sword I wouldnt be suggesting that we fight them. But they are and no amount of burying our heads in the sand is going to make them stop.

By the way I am not saying that you hold any of the positions I argue against. I was just speaking generally.

[philosofy123]

Islam is like all other religions, it teaches that its way is the right way, and all others are wrong. That is a normal marketing technique. If you are selling coke and you advertise that it tastes just as good as Pepsi, and RC, then how you are going to differentiate between your product and other product. It is important to have pride of your product and faith that it is a better product. In addition, it would help if you have a persuasive program to steal market share from your competitors.

Just to illustrate that idea to the closed minded readers, Christianity teaches that no one can go to heaven except through Jesus Christ. Judaism, teaches that God chose them as his preferred people over the rest of humanity. God tells them what land to take over, and so on…

Having said that, I must go back to examine Islam and its barbaric technique to capture “market share”. It is obvious to the knowledgeable person how unfair their laws are. For example If you are a Moslem you may marry a no-Moslem woman, but her children must be Moslems. A non-Moslem man cannot marry a Moslem woman. If a Moslem chooses to convert to other religion, he must be killed, but people from other religions are welcomed and mostly forced to convert to Islam.

As you can see as the rest of the world started to take their religions less seriously, Islam continued its barbaric and rigid practice of forcing people by the sword to its fold. Only 75 years ago Islam was mostly in North Africa, now it dominates most of Africa. The latest territories are Nigeria, and the Sudan where Christians are slaughtered daily by Moslem maniacs.

The Us and the rest of the European Christians choose to look the other way. That is very similar to the Nazi threats; first it was against the retards, I am not one so who cares, then it was against the gypsies, I am not one so who cares, then it was against the Jews, I am not one so who cares,….If you don’t speak out, sooner or later it is going up your own bottom!

Now for the uninformed ignoramus masses, the 9/11 case is a wake up call for them to understand the world-wide Islamic campaign to capture concur, and convert through force. Peaceful Christians, who love their enemies, are like sheeps will be slaughtered by the Moslem swords. They can pray to their Jesus to defend them. However, from history, Jesus did not interfere in Constantinople, the holy land, Spain, Egypt, and Sudan! Neither the God of Moses care to drop food on the Jews in the desert anymore!

Religion id a good think for humanity, but it should be confined to the person, and his/her relationship with God. Governments should not have a preferential treatment for one religion over the others.

Now, that takes us back to the Moslems. The government of all Moslem countries pays its clerics, and funds its mosques. That makes it so simple to impose reform on Islam, through governments. In other words, dictators kings and presidents of all these rag-head Islamic nations can be held PERSONALY responsible for the teaching of hate in the Mosques. Say Bush calls all these losers and say, this Friday, I will monitor your mosques sermons, if I hear any hate, you will be killed! We may start with the friendly nations, the one we know exactly where everything is! Like Jordan, and Egypt! I am sure it can be done mush less dramatically and much more diplomatically. However, in essence, we should not shy away from threatening the leaders to impose good teaching in their mosques, or else!

We can control their leaders. We can impose on them to request teaching in the mosques that is more peaceful and less barbaric. WE can do like Clinton use to do, either do this or you will be dead in a drive by shooting, found in a park with a bullet in your head, or crashed in a mountain?

[Prysson]

Perhaps you are being sarcastic...but incase you arent.

I would argue that it is not so simple. Britain and Germany both share a common moral, cultural, religous history and background. We actually have a significant amount in common with them (though there is sufficient evidence that Germany is not so much of a friend as you would believe..but that is another matter)

The Muslims are different. They do not share a common world opinion. There culture is not similar. There is no common value system that we have as a basis for friendship. They want us dead or converted. That is no basis for friendship. They see us as an enemy and the strength and source of all that is evil. Their religion calls upon them to conquer the world and we stand in their way. Not a very effective basis for building a friendship.

But even putting that aside. Lets hypothesize for a moment that you are correct adn one day we will be friends and live in peace. What do you think will get us their? We had to defeat Britain twice to make them leave us alone. Germany we also had to fight twice eventually rebuilding their government for them. Do you think that the muslims who hate us and want us dead and have decalred war one us will just suddenly become friends because they will see the error of their ways. There is no historical evidence of that. I would argue that the only way we can accomplish your staed objective is to take up the guantlet of war that they have already smacked us with and get on with it. There knives are out and they have already stabbed us in the dark. We better get to fighting or it will get a lot worse. That is what the big deal is and that is what my point is.

[RetiredArmy]

Thanks Red. Agree.

[stuartcr]

The Japanese shared none of those with us...now look at our relations with them. Your thinking puts us in the same class as those in East Europe, and even further east, those countries that we, in the west, look at and say...'why don't those people get over it?' America is not like that yet. If you continue to hate, then that is what you will reap.

[Khepera]

Consult your bible.

[Marysecretary]

Billy Graham's son was on last night (Hannity and Colmes) and really ripped into Islam. He knows it's not a religion of peace. Were it so, then the clerics in this and other nations would have been infuriated about the 911 attack and said something about it. Nada is their response. It IS a demonic religion. But, Christianity wins in the end (I read the Book). Keep fighting the good fight!

[Marysecretary]

Why, Johnny, your anti-Christian bias is showing. For shame. If you love the Islamics, I do hope you will go over to Afghanistan or Somalia or someplace in the Middle East and stay there. I'm sure they can use you, like they used Johnny Jihad and others. I'm sure there will be a World War III as well at some point. It may be called Armaggedon or it may not. That's all in God's timing, not ours.

[Marysecretary]

Great answer, Prysson! You hit the nail on the old proverbial head! Thank you from all Christians on FR.

[aSkeptic]

Previous apology accepted.

There are a lot of matters here to discuss, so I don't really have the zeal to post all of my "positions" on them.

Position #1

I don't think invading Iraq is nessisary or desireable from a stratigic point of view. They might have WMD, but I have not heard of reports saying that they have any feasable way of getting them here. We have ICBMs and stealth bombers. We have all the bombs! H-bombs and A-bombs! (I think I stated this earlier)

Position #2

If Iraq or any other country invited us to a nuclear exchange, I would feel ablidged, civis americas sum, to join them. Since that option is foolish for a petty dictator like Sodom, I say BRING IT ON! WMD? For sodom, it would be weapons of certain destruction.

Position #3

If we were actually hit by a decapitative blow then things would be in chaos. All bets would be officially off. And I think this last position is certainly up for debate!

[Prysson]

Your Japanese example is yet another bad one. Japan also only became our "friends" after we destroyed them in war. Had we not defeated them in a war they would own most of the Pacific right now and we certainly would not be friends. And that is besides the point that they are not our "friends."
Strategic and economic allies yes but that does not make us "friends" We are still barbarians by their cultural perspective...ironic since they were the ones who were running around conquering killing and raping and looting the entire pacific rim.

Your world view is just too simplistic. You think because we arent at someones throat that they are our "friends" and that all is hunky dory. You dont think that countries like japan and Germany and other nations in the world ever try to damage the United States or bring us down a level just because you dont see bombs dropping. Being at peace with someone does not make them friendly. Of all of the countries in the world I would say that only the British Commonwealth are really our "friends" and even they get testy with us at times.

I do not "hate" muslims. If they were willing to live in peace I would gladly let them. The point is that they have never in their 1400 year history demonstrated that they want that and are willing to in fact "live peacefully" with us. That is the point I am trying to make. Hate has nothing to do with my arguments.

I dont know what you mean when you say that we are in the same class of countries as those who say "why dont those people get over it?"

Get over what exactly....are you suggesting that we just "get over" the destruction of the world trade center and the deaths of tousands of innocent lives. If that is what you are suggesting than i have to adamantly tell you no. I suppose we should have just "gotten over Pearl Harbor" rather than going to war with Japan...where would our "friendship" be then. Not only will I not "get over it" I will not ignore the mountain of evidence and the ceaseless tirades that they issue threatening to take us down. Are you one of those people who thinks if we just let by gones be by gones then everything would be alright. If you are then I dont know what more can be said to you. If you refuse to even see that right now there are forces in the world marshalling their weapons and there plans to destroy us then no amount of discussion is going to sway you and I wont even waste anymore time with you.

[Marysecretary]

It has to do with their eternal souls. Under Islam they are lost and they will go to hell without Christ. Those of you who are anti-Christian and not ashamed to say so, don't argue with me or other Christians on this post, argue with God concerning that fact. It's all written down in His Word.

[Prysson]

Thanks for accepting my apology...I think you bring some good point up but have to respectfully disagree about Iraq not being a threat because they dont have a delivery system. A suitcase Nuke needs no delivery system. And about five could bring our country to its knees. But that is a discussion for another time. Thanks once again for being o gracious in accepting my apology.

[Marysecretary]

And that's one heck of a good reason for America to be on Israel's side. We will be destroyed if we don't come along side her in her travail. I pray for the Peace of Jerusalem as often as I can.

[stuartcr]

You missed my point. It's irrelevant who won, or got destroyed, or whether they are 'friends' or not. After a period of time, it will be forgotten. It is sad that there are some in this world that will not allow this.

[Johnny Shear]

Cute...Just because I think the bible is a fine novel written by fine men who were wondering where they came from, I "Love Islamists".

You and people like you are as bad as the crazy muslims who scream about the infidels.