The Coming World War

Many people will disagree with the assertion made by the title. War they will say is not inevitable. Unfortunately they are not looking at the facts…or at least they are not looking at the history.

1400 years ago an Islamic Empire established itself, sweeping across North Africa and into Spain and even Southern France before finally being stopped by the Franks. This clash between Islam and Western Civilization (or as some would refer to it a clash between Islam and Christendom) has not ceased since that day. Muslim incursions into Europe occurred again and again over the course of the millennium and a half that followed, and yes to be fair their were plenty of western incursion into the middle east.

This war has been ongoing and despite what some people might believe did not cease with the collapse and break up of the Ottoman empire following World War I. Contrary to popular belief the break up of the Islamic Empire did not in fact put an end to Imperial Islamic aspirations. Gahdafi, Ayatollah Khomeni, Saddam Hussein and others have all hinted at if not openly declared their intention to:

A. Establish an Islamic Empire. B. Spread that Empire to every corner of the globe.

The evidence out there is overwhelming. Just as a single example; as late as 1995 a council of more than 80 Islamic Nations gather to discuss the Islamic Conquest of Africa. Their stated objective was the total conquest of African as an Islamic continent. With Arabic as the official Language and Islam as the official religion. This council is not an anomaly neither in recent history nor in ancient history.

Since its conception Islam has attempted to spread its religion (by flame and by sword) to every corner of the globe. It is an imperative of the religion. I grow tired of people ignorant of the truth trying to tell me that Islam is a religion of Peace. I am particularly tired of people who have never read the Quran (Koran) telling me that it is a religion of peace. It is not. Their 1400 year old history of trying to conquer and convert the entire globe is proof of that. Their murderous and ceaseless attacks against western civilization are further evidence of that.

They claim that the West (lead by America) practices hegemony. That is actually very true. The west has practiced hegemony against the Islamic world for more that 1400 years. What else can you call it when for fourteen hundred years western civilization has fought off invasion after invasion. Now the west tries desperately to prevent the recreation of an Islamic Empire. Other forces at work in the Middle East try desperately to overcome this obstacle.

Why is war inevitable? For the same reason war was inevitable in Europe 1938. Because a world wanted to insist that peace was possible despite every peace of evidence that it was not. State Department type diplomats convinced their leadership that Hitler and Germany could be dealt with peacefully. That war could be averted. That violence was not necessary. What they got a war that brought them to their knees and almost destroyed them.

Today that same blindness, that same peace at all costs attitude pervades the rest of the world. Just as in 1938 the rest of the world wanted to stick its collective head in the sand and pretend that Germany was not really a threat…so to today is our world full of people who wish to stick our collective heads in the sand. We appease and prevaricate and in the end we give them time. Time to build their arsenals of weapons of mass destruction. All the while thinking that somehow we can convince these people not to use them. Somehow we can convince these people who have not ceased fighting us for fourteen hundred years to suddenly make nice. Somehow, we can convince these people whose only goal and objective is our destruction that we can live peacefully even though their very religion tells them that they must conquer us. (and don’t tell that it doesn’t because 1400 years of Islamic Conquest proves you wrong)

That is why War is inevitable. Because eventually they will have their weapons. And just as we fail to understand them and the reasons why the MUST conquer us…they too in their ignorance of us and our customs will fail to realize why they will never succeed in conquering us. That we would never let them and they will never have the power to succeed. Aided by their cultural failings that tell them that seeking peace and conciliation are weaknesses rather than a moral imperative they will see us as weak because we fail to do what we should which is ACT…and in the end that failure will cause a worse war.

Do not get me wrong. I do not intend to paint a doom and gloom picture and the destruction of the world. They are not powerful enough to defeat us, nor are they patient enough to wait until they are strong enough, before they strike. And in the end they do not understand us enough to know that they would be well advised not to. Such a war would only have one possible outcome. Their utter annihilation. It saddens me, and angers me some as well, that so many will be lost that do not need to be if we would only accept what is and what must be and strike now while we can and not wait until the inevitable explosion that is to come.

Hmmm now we are getting somewhere...so you are a "religious" but not a muslim nor a christian....so that would make you what a buhdist...maybe a daoist...I dont know you seem to be some kind of generic deist perhaps. Well that is all fine and good. For the record I am yes a christian but ironically I do NOT believe that only people who are christians go to "heaven" That is just one of your own predjudices coming thorugh that seeks to label all christians as racist freaks coming through. But no doubt someone of your own very simple intelect does not find that glaring contradiction disturbing.

Nevertheless the scope and depth of my belief system is not something I particularly care to get into here. I admit to being a christian but I am certain not what most people would consider a "bible thumping freak". Yes I believe that Jesus Christ is my lord and Savior. Does that make me stupid...dont answer that you will no doubt in your infinate wisdom claim yes and then as per usual for someone like you offer no evidence to back up your claim. I do however have many "bible thumpers" as very dear friends, but that does not prevent them for fearing for my soul and nor does it prevent me from thinking their own perspective are incorrect.

I suppose in your own narrow world view I would be labeled a racist...I just dont know. Liberals have so perverted the world that to assign any value to any kind of cultural attribute immediately gets labeled as racist. In my opinion people like you who like to label anyone who has a different opinion as racist, hobophobe, sexist etc. are just as guilty of the hatred that you ascribe to others. Only you hate people for what they think.
Of course the truth is that you have no substantive argument to back up your own hateful opinions. You despise christians, and yet see no glaring contradiction in your supposed antipathy to those who hold what you deem to be racist opinons.

Your hypacrasy and callowness knows no bounds. You do not have any facts to back up your arguments. You have no relative information to add to the debate. You have infact already lost the argument since the fact is that everything I stated about the Islamic world is fact. You could not hold a discussion for even five minutes were your position to be that Muslims are peace loving people who wont only to get along with their neighbors. You would get even less far arguing that all christians are racists freaks. Factually you have no facts to bring to the table. Only your hatred and your spite.

Your spite does not however touch me. I pity you and so I am willing to waste some of my time on you but you certainly do not pose any real threat to me (Except in that idiots like you vote and somehow manage to have a political strength that weakens our national resolve).

But just so you know..I have brought to the table the fatcs of Islamic history and the reality of the Quran. Its own religious heritage and the lengthy history of tehir own action indict them in any rational argument.....you have brought to the table name calling. Your case as it stands is not impressive. Your method of argumentation is one I have long since regected. I dont care what you "call" me. You can not prove a racist intent. simply by naming me such. Since I do not fear your name calling it has no power over me. I will not silence myself simply because some uneducated buffon wants to call me bad names that he/she has been taught are sure fire winners to silencing debate. Your tried and tested methods of silencing opposition do not have any effect on me.

You call me a racist because I believe that western civilization is superior to eastern. I call you an idiot for thinking that cultural values are relative.

I have 1500 years of evidence to back me up. In two hundred years a nation built on our values carved a nation out of a wilderness and made it the most powerful and proserpous nation in the world. Our freedom are more complete, our wealth is more absolute, our poverty levels are lower and our military might is stronger than any nation on the face of the planet in its antire history. All of this comes from our cultural values and we did it in less then 400 years. In 4000 years the middle east has accomplished what. Poverty . Women as property. The creation and perpetuation of the slave trade. Intolerance of religion ( you should go there considering you attitude towards christians you would fit right in)

You wonder why I value my culture more then theirs. You say it is racits of me to think of our culture as better then theirs. DAMN RIGHT I DO. And I care not whether you or anyone else thinks it is wrong. I do not put my value systems at the whim and mercy of idiots like you. I am my own arbiter of value. The facts are there, the evidence is in. If the only thing you can come of with is relativism and name calling then stop wasting my time.

I am not making a christian argument. I find it interesting that people who are not christians find offense in anything where they even get a hint of christian viewpoint.

Christianity has nothing to do with the Islamic imperative toward conquest. The Christian faith did not create the quran nor did christians start the crusades. Teh first "Crusade" wasnt until 1095 more than 300 years after the mulsims swept across north africa (at the time the relative bible belt of christendom)

I am simply speaking of a very real threat that exists in the Islamic world. It isnt a Christian perspective that brings this up. Quite the contrary. Christians would faith fare far better under Islam then say hindu's since at least we supposedly worship the same God. I am talking about a religious imperative that exists in the Islamic faith to conquer (by the sword if need be) the entire world and convert it to Islam. This threat will not go away because a few Christians our silenced. It had 1400 years of evidence to back up the claim.

YHBT (you have been trolled), purposely, just to prove a point. I think what you replied with is called a straw man tactic. Never did I accuse you of being racist. And If you look at my posts can you really say I'm a liberal? The troll post, is in fact what I believe. I don't want to go to war (ala WWWIII) to satisfy someone elses religious insecuritys. And I don't appreciate being put up like a straw man for all the principles you are against. How do you know I am against everthing you believe?

I don't need to correct every bogus assumption you assert, but I will say that I do not hate christians. My mom is a christian, some of the people I work with are christians. Of course they are good people and I certainly don't condecend them even to myself.

If my reasoning can be proven to be faulty, with consequences drawn, then we can proceed to comunicate. Otherwise we might as well just hurtle feces at each other. We would achive the same result.

I'm a Christian. I don't hate anyone because of their religious beliefs. I do hate terrorists who unprovoked, come to our nation, kill thousands of our people then expect us not to retaliate.

Now that I've cleared that up, I'll address something else. I don't believe that everyone but Christians will go to hell. I believe you will though with the hatred you espouse. I pity you but that is about it.

I do agree with the originator of this thread on a couple of points. I've read the Quran. To call Islam a religion of peace is not accurate. Islam does encourage the deaths of non believers. Do I hate them for that? Nope. Will I submit to such garbage willingly? Nope. I will defend my life and the lives of others against anyone who takes the initiative to kill in the name of any religion. Not just Islam.

I do have a serious problem with your attitude. Your comment "And I am certainly not a Muslim Hating Genocidal Racist like you and the rest of ***your kind*** of Islam Hating Freaks" is uncalled for, out of bounds and hateful. I sincerely hope that you are banned from freerepublic. I prefer to avoid contact with people like you. The hatred that is so evident in your posts is why our world has so many problems today.

May your "kindness" be returned upon you as you would have it turned upon us. Hopefully, it will enlighten you to a bit of tolorance towards others. If not, it's your problem, not mine.

Mike

I actually have to apologize to you...one of your posts was right up against a Johnny Shear post and my comments regarding racism and name calling was to that individual who actually did refer to christians (and myself directly) as bible thumping freaks and racists. I was not inteding for that particular reply to be sent to so. I just got mixed up in who I was replying to. My deepest apologies.

I would however stand by a seperate statement that I did intend to be directed at you which was that none of the comments I made in my initial statement were christian oriented nor were they about christians versus muslims. So when you make a statement that says you wish to be left out of my war because you arent a christian is misleading and misinterprative of my original statement.

Once again I apologize for inappropriately replying to you with the post refering to you as a liberal and having no cogent argument. If you were to review some of the other comments you might find the Johnny Shears comments..that was what I was intending to address.

Well that would depend on where there origins were. If they are immigrants of some kind who have been naturalized then i would suggest that they go back to where they came from. If the were born here then deporting is not an option per se. Though in some instances they might be sent back to their parents nation of origin. As for american citizens born and bred in the USA who are muslim. Those individuals obviously cant be deported anywhere but I think that it is reasonable to be wary and watchful of their behavior.

Keep in mind I am not even speaking of this as an alternative as of this moment. I am speaking of this as a reality if terrorists should ever blow up nuclear weapons in say New York city or Washington. In reality I fear should that occur then the situation will actually be much worse. People would probably be killing muslims in the streets at that point.

That is actually exactly what my point is. Much of this kind of senselessness could be averted if we were to do the right things now. The reality is that we are at war. They have already killed an equivilant of 5% of the number of American lives lost in Vietnam. They have openly declared their intent to destroy us. There is a history 1400 years long of Islamic enmity toward the non muslim world. There own sacred writing call for this as a moral imperative. They have already launched attacks against us and continue to plan on doing so.

There is a mountain of evidence conveniently ignored that most of these countries directly supply terrorists group and yet we call them our friends. We vasilate and prevaricate when we should be sending a clear message. That further attacks against us will be met with the gravest of consequences. Iraq should be made an example of. Not out of any blood lust or religious hatred towards Muslims. I dont "hate" muslims. But neither will I suffer them to kill me and destroy my country or bring harm to my loved ones. Their religion however does in fact prescribe dominion and conquest, no matter who attempts to deny it...and I am not of the mind to give it to them.

If people in your position think I am speaking out of some kind of religious fervor against muslims you could not be more wrong. My religion does not call for conquest and global domination. It is not "religion" that makes me call for more direct action. It is self preservation.

I have already stated my reasoning for this. Now I would ask you to give a more directed argument against that.

You seem to disagree but I have to say that asking me where I would deport a million muslims to does not address the central issue of my argument.

As you said..lets have a debate..but in order to debate you you have to have a clear position. I think I have stated mine fairly succintly and no where in my argument does being a chrinstian anter into the logic of it.

Islam is like all other religions, it teaches that its way is the right way, and all others are wrong. That is a normal marketing technique. If you are selling coke and you advertise that it tastes just as good as Pepsi, and RC, then how you are going to differentiate between your product and other product. It is important to have pride of your product and faith that it is a better product. In addition, it would help if you have a persuasive program to steal market share from your competitors.

Just to illustrate that idea to the closed minded readers, Christianity teaches that no one can go to heaven except through Jesus Christ. Judaism, teaches that God chose them as his preferred people over the rest of humanity. God tells them what land to take over, and so on…

Having said that, I must go back to examine Islam and its barbaric technique to capture “market share”. It is obvious to the knowledgeable person how unfair their laws are. For example If you are a Moslem you may marry a no-Moslem woman, but her children must be Moslems. A non-Moslem man cannot marry a Moslem woman. If a Moslem chooses to convert to other religion, he must be killed, but people from other religions are welcomed and mostly forced to convert to Islam.

As you can see as the rest of the world started to take their religions less seriously, Islam continued its barbaric and rigid practice of forcing people by the sword to its fold. Only 75 years ago Islam was mostly in North Africa, now it dominates most of Africa. The latest territories are Nigeria, and the Sudan where Christians are slaughtered daily by Moslem maniacs.

The Us and the rest of the European Christians choose to look the other way. That is very similar to the Nazi threats; first it was against the retards, I am not one so who cares, then it was against the gypsies, I am not one so who cares, then it was against the Jews, I am not one so who cares,….If you don’t speak out, sooner or later it is going up your own bottom!

Now for the uninformed ignoramus masses, the 9/11 case is a wake up call for them to understand the world-wide Islamic campaign to capture concur, and convert through force. Peaceful Christians, who love their enemies, are like sheeps will be slaughtered by the Moslem swords. They can pray to their Jesus to defend them. However, from history, Jesus did not interfere in Constantinople, the holy land, Spain, Egypt, and Sudan! Neither the God of Moses care to drop food on the Jews in the desert anymore!

Religion id a good think for humanity, but it should be confined to the person, and his/her relationship with God. Governments should not have a preferential treatment for one religion over the others.

Now, that takes us back to the Moslems. The government of all Moslem countries pays its clerics, and funds its mosques. That makes it so simple to impose reform on Islam, through governments. In other words, dictators kings and presidents of all these rag-head Islamic nations can be held PERSONALY responsible for the teaching of hate in the Mosques. Say Bush calls all these losers and say, this Friday, I will monitor your mosques sermons, if I hear any hate, you will be killed! May start with the friendly nations, the one we know exactly where everything is! Like Jordan, and Egypt! I am sure it can be done mush less dramatically and much more diplomatically. However, in essence, we should not shy away from threatening the leaders to impose good teaching in their mosques, or else!

Revelation 11

The Two Witnesses

1 Then I was given a reed like a measuring rod. And the angel stood, saying, "Rise and measure the temple of God, the altar, and those who worship there. 2 But leave out the court which is outside the temple, and do not measure it, for it has been given to the Gentiles. And they will tread the holy city underfoot for forty-two months. 3 And I will give power to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy one thousand two hundred and sixty days, clothed in sackcloth."
4 These are the two olive trees and the two lampstands standing before the God of the earth. 5 And if anyone wants to harm them, fire proceeds from their mouth and devours their enemies. And if anyone wants to harm them, he must be killed in this manner. 6 These have power to shut heaven, so that no rain falls in the days of their prophecy; and they have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to strike the earth with all plagues, as often as they desire.

Greek Fire

Greek Fire was the secret weapon of the Eastern Roman Emperors. It is said to have been invented by a Syrian Engineer, one Callinicus, a refugee from Maalbek, in the seventh century (673 AD). The "liquid fire" was hurled on to the ships of their enemies from siphons and burst into flames on contact. As it was reputed to be inextinguishable and burned even on water, it caused panic and dread. Its introducation into warfare of its time was comparable in its demoralizing influence to the introducation of nuclear weapons in our time. Both Arab and Greek sources agree that it surpassed all incendiary weapons in destruction. The secret behind the Greek fire was handed down from one emperor to the next for centuries. Rumors about its composition include such chemicals as liquid petroleum, naphtha, burning pitch, sulphur, resin, quicklime and bitumen, along with some other "secret ingredient". The exact composition, however, remains unknown. For a thorough investigation of the weapon one can refer to Professor J.R. Partington's book, "A history of the Greek Fire and Gunpowder", Heffer, 1960. This volume quotes the ancient authorities extensively, with an excellent commentary. It also examines ancient and modern theories on the composition of the chemicals used in the Greek Fire. This is considered the most up to date source on the subject.

http://www.greece.org/projects/Romiosini/greek_fire.html

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The Witnesses Killed

7 When they finish their testimony, the beast that ascends out of the bottomless pit will make war against them, overcome them, and kill them. 8 And their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified. 9 Then those from the peoples, tribes, tongues, and nations will see their dead bodies three-and-a-half days, and not allow their dead bodies to be put into graves. 10 And those who dwell on the earth will rejoice over them, *make merry, and send gifts to one another, because these two prophets tormented those who dwell on the earth.

*The fourth pillar (of Islam) is the month-long Fast of Ramadan, commemorating Mohammed's first revelations, when Moslems abstain from eating and drinking during the daylight hours. At the end of the month gifts are exchanged between friends during the festival of goodwill.

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