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The Coming World War
Self | 08/05/2002 | Prysson

Posted on 08/05/2002 10:12:24 AM PDT by Prysson

The Coming World War

Many people will disagree with the assertion made by the title. War they will say is not inevitable. Unfortunately they are not looking at the facts…or at least they are not looking at the history.

1400 years ago an Islamic Empire established itself, sweeping across North Africa and into Spain and even Southern France before finally being stopped by the Franks. This clash between Islam and Western Civilization (or as some would refer to it a clash between Islam and Christendom) has not ceased since that day. Muslim incursions into Europe occurred again and again over the course of the millennium and a half that followed, and yes to be fair their were plenty of western incursion into the middle east.

This war has been ongoing and despite what some people might believe did not cease with the collapse and break up of the Ottoman empire following World War I. Contrary to popular belief the break up of the Islamic Empire did not in fact put an end to Imperial Islamic aspirations. Gahdafi, Ayatollah Khomeni, Saddam Hussein and others have all hinted at if not openly declared their intention to:

A. Establish an Islamic Empire. B. Spread that Empire to every corner of the globe.

The evidence out there is overwhelming. Just as a single example; as late as 1995 a council of more than 80 Islamic Nations gather to discuss the Islamic Conquest of Africa. Their stated objective was the total conquest of African as an Islamic continent. With Arabic as the official Language and Islam as the official religion. This council is not an anomaly neither in recent history nor in ancient history.

Since its conception Islam has attempted to spread its religion (by flame and by sword) to every corner of the globe. It is an imperative of the religion. I grow tired of people ignorant of the truth trying to tell me that Islam is a religion of Peace. I am particularly tired of people who have never read the Quran (Koran) telling me that it is a religion of peace. It is not. Their 1400 year old history of trying to conquer and convert the entire globe is proof of that. Their murderous and ceaseless attacks against western civilization are further evidence of that.

They claim that the West (lead by America) practices hegemony. That is actually very true. The west has practiced hegemony against the Islamic world for more that 1400 years. What else can you call it when for fourteen hundred years western civilization has fought off invasion after invasion. Now the west tries desperately to prevent the recreation of an Islamic Empire. Other forces at work in the Middle East try desperately to overcome this obstacle.

Why is war inevitable? For the same reason war was inevitable in Europe 1938. Because a world wanted to insist that peace was possible despite every peace of evidence that it was not. State Department type diplomats convinced their leadership that Hitler and Germany could be dealt with peacefully. That war could be averted. That violence was not necessary. What they got a war that brought them to their knees and almost destroyed them.

Today that same blindness, that same peace at all costs attitude pervades the rest of the world. Just as in 1938 the rest of the world wanted to stick its collective head in the sand and pretend that Germany was not really a threat…so to today is our world full of people who wish to stick our collective heads in the sand. We appease and prevaricate and in the end we give them time. Time to build their arsenals of weapons of mass destruction. All the while thinking that somehow we can convince these people not to use them. Somehow we can convince these people who have not ceased fighting us for fourteen hundred years to suddenly make nice. Somehow, we can convince these people whose only goal and objective is our destruction that we can live peacefully even though their very religion tells them that they must conquer us. (and don’t tell that it doesn’t because 1400 years of Islamic Conquest proves you wrong)

That is why War is inevitable. Because eventually they will have their weapons. And just as we fail to understand them and the reasons why the MUST conquer us…they too in their ignorance of us and our customs will fail to realize why they will never succeed in conquering us. That we would never let them and they will never have the power to succeed. Aided by their cultural failings that tell them that seeking peace and conciliation are weaknesses rather than a moral imperative they will see us as weak because we fail to do what we should which is ACT…and in the end that failure will cause a worse war.

Do not get me wrong. I do not intend to paint a doom and gloom picture and the destruction of the world. They are not powerful enough to defeat us, nor are they patient enough to wait until they are strong enough, before they strike. And in the end they do not understand us enough to know that they would be well advised not to. Such a war would only have one possible outcome. Their utter annihilation. It saddens me, and angers me some as well, that so many will be lost that do not need to be if we would only accept what is and what must be and strike now while we can and not wait until the inevitable explosion that is to come.


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To: Prysson
I agree that there is going to be a war. Just killing OBL or Saddam will not simply "end it." There are too many bad guys out there who have been "programmed to hate" American and our way of life and they will not stop. The only way to cure a cancer is to kill it off. This will not stop. Either we go do it once and for all, or we continue to simply kill each other off 10 or 15 at a time for the next 100 years. BUT, BUT, BUT, if the bad guys have nukes, bio, chemical, etc, by cracky they ARE GOING TO USE THEM. It is the only way they can put a big hurt on us.

People think that it is hard to do but it is not. Think about it:

Walk a homicide bomber onto the subway of NY City and blow it. How many will ride the sub tomorrow? Put a homicide bomber to just WALK UP to various terminals, outside with the crowds, just inside the terminals where security is not looking yet, and blow it. How many people will show up tomorrow if say they blew one at the same time at JFK, Dulles, Atlanta, O'Hare, LAX, SF, etc. It is not that hard to do. Then have them walk into a couple of the larger malls of America, like the one in Minnesota and simply set it off. Who goes to the malls tomorrow? NO ONE! Or, set on off on the ferries in NY, SF or the large ones on Puget Sound here in Seattle. The WA state ferries carry over 25,000 commuters each day. Blow one bomb on one of the larger vessels and the entire system shuts down. Blow a couple in cars on some of the larger bridges, Brooklyn, Golden Gate, etc, and see how many people will want to cross tomorrow.

It is all about causing terror. It is about damaging our economy. If they have the bombers in place and have the bombs, they will do this and more and they WILL use them. They could practically shut the country down with a couple of days or waves of bombings. IT IS NOT THAT HARD TO DO. And, they have the experience with this stuff. It is their MAIN weapon to use against us. They have no navy, no real army, no air force in which to use to hit us. So, they use bodies packed with bombs.

41 posted on 08/05/2002 2:54:03 PM PDT by RetiredArmy
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To: Let's Roll
Roll...

Russia has had their fill of the peaceful Islamics for a very long time, imagine they in league with the Chinese and Indians. The Chinese in particular would show them no mercy.

42 posted on 08/05/2002 2:56:33 PM PDT by cynicom
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To: Johnny Shear
You really have no sense of history do you. First of all I find it interesting that I have not oncementioned my religious affiliation and yet you so violently name me a christian, islam hating freak. A freak of course because I would be a christian. Yet you are too stupid to understand your own revelation. That you are a christian hating freak.

So why is it OK for nonchristians to hate christians and for Islamic people to hate christians but christians are not allowed to have an opinion.

Your utter lack of any understanding of the facts is a disgrace to yourself and whatever educational institution you went to but that is really beside the point. You fail utterly to look at the historical record and for that I have no patience and no mercy. Idiots like you who scream against christian antipathy and have no undersatanding of Islamic malevolenc e for anything nonmuslim.

What are you an athiest? you must be either that or a muslim judging by your hateful reaction towards christians.
If you are the one then your behavior only proves the point that muslims hate christians...but if you are an athiest that is even worse. Because at least in an Islamic world a christian may live as a second class citizen so long as they obey the laws of mohammed...but for an athiest...well you are just and infedel and you would be killed.

Your christian neighbors that you abhor so much because you claim they are intollerant. Take you abuse and your vile slander and your hateful words and suffer them because gloriously America is the kind of tolerant generous free land that christians can create. But in Islam you attitude would get you a bullet in your head. Maybe you should reconsider which side you are on.

Ignorance of history, and ignorance of facts, and ignorance of religious doctrine does not excuse stupidity it merely explains it.
43 posted on 08/05/2002 2:56:49 PM PDT by Prysson
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To: RetiredArmy
It is all about causing terror. It is about damaging our economy. If they have the bombers in place and have the bombs, they will do this and more and they WILL use them. They could practically shut the country down with a couple of days or waves of bombings. IT IS NOT THAT HARD TO DO. And, they have the experience with this stuff. It is their MAIN weapon to use against us. They have no navy, no real army, no air force in which to use to hit us. So, they use bodies packed with bombs.

All the more reason why President Bush is being careful of supporting Israel 100%, and not doing anything about Hamas, even though they are killing Americans.

44 posted on 08/05/2002 2:57:54 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: Prysson
"their very religion tells them that they must conquer us.

This points to the West's main problem. We have become, by and large, practical atheists. Liberalism is akin to color-blindness in that it is dead to the spiritual dimension in life.

45 posted on 08/05/2002 3:00:01 PM PDT by nightdriver
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To: RetiredArmy
You are right of course. Which is why I advocate closing our borders to Islamic countries. I also advocate deporting all muslim immigrants that is essence can ont Prove their innocence.

I know that people say this is America and we do not do those things here. That is false. We have done thos ehtings before and we can do them again. The Constitution of the United States is for American citizens I will not shed a tear over violating some terrorist immigrants civil rights. And I certainly wont shed a tear over kicking them out of the country. We are at war and it is high time we started acting likeit. We want to act like we are still the same old america and like nothing ahappened on 9-11 that in my opinion is the single most glaring failure of the BUSH administration. He encouraged this return to normalcy when he should have been grirding us for war. Now we are sitting idolly by until the next attack..and then I suppose we will go and attack someone else for awhile...until eventually they explaode a nuke in New York. It will be interesting to see how many people talk about preserving the constitutional right of these immigrants when one of them kills a million of us.

But oh thats right Bin Laden says they get to kill 4 million because of what they did to us...maybe we should just give them 4 million and call it quits...I wonder if people will think that will make him happy.
47 posted on 08/05/2002 3:05:35 PM PDT by Prysson
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To: Prysson
Basically Gabriel returns 500 years after announcing Christs birth to say 'look God and I got it all wrong'...even Satan can appear as an angel of light.
48 posted on 08/05/2002 3:09:28 PM PDT by Crazymonarch
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To: Wolfstar
lol
49 posted on 08/05/2002 3:28:46 PM PDT by aSkeptic
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To: Prysson
I am religious...Not Muslim though...I just don't subscribe to your intolerant bible thumping view that ANYONE but "Christians" are DOOMED TO HELL!

And I am certainly not a Muslim Hating Genocidal Racist like you and the rest of ***your kind*** of Islam Hating Freaks.

A little clearer now?
50 posted on 08/05/2002 3:32:22 PM PDT by Johnny Shear
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To: RetiredArmy
Thank you for your comments....finally someone who is seeing the big picture of just how vunerable we really are. A few bridges in the SF bay area...and that local economy is at a stand still. Same with Puget Sound area and of course NY. Aim at our infrastructure and commerce would come to a stand still in a matter of days. How prolonged it would be would be determined by how well we are prepared to withstand the inconvience and the amount of damage incurred. We as a nation can do anything and accomplish a great deal if we will just see the picture that is before us. And it ain't pretty.

Red

51 posted on 08/05/2002 3:33:46 PM PDT by Conservative4Ever
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To: aSkeptic
Got to find the positive in everything, even warnings about a possible world war. A little sardonic humor never hurt.
52 posted on 08/05/2002 3:50:31 PM PDT by Wolfstar
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To: Prysson
Since I am not a christian, may I please be exempted from your bloodbath. I don't want your taxes for it. And I certainly don't want my own DEATH a part of it. And I absolutely won't be happy being gassed for being critical of it.

We have all the bombs! H-bombs and A-bombs.

Yours,

aSkeptic

53 posted on 08/05/2002 3:51:18 PM PDT by aSkeptic
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To: Prysson
Don't forget the war stemming from poverty -- stemming from increases in socialism and global warming reactionary programs.
54 posted on 08/05/2002 3:52:50 PM PDT by The Raven
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To: Prysson
I'm sure you mean "illegal immigrants" don't you?
55 posted on 08/05/2002 3:53:28 PM PDT by aSkeptic
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To: Prysson
Gahdafi, Ayatollah Khomeni, Saddam Hussein and others have all hinted at if not openly declared their intention to:

A. Establish an Islamic Empire. B. Spread that Empire to every corner of the globe.

That's not a very impressive list of Islamic conquerors. Khomeini died in 1989 and his successors have domestic problems controlling fed up Iranians. Saddam is an enemy of the Islamists: he gassed thousands of them (when he was still one of "our" dictators). Gaddafi's peculiar "little green" philosophy has little influence beyond Libya.

By the way, so what if more of Africa goes over to Islam? That continent is a mess and Islam's strict discipline seems tailor-made for imposing law and order on unruly 3rd world hell-holes.

56 posted on 08/05/2002 4:17:37 PM PDT by faintpraise
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To: Prysson
Western Europe was a godawful mess between 538 AD and about December 1492. It had a few highspots, but in the earlier part of that nearly 1000 year long period, it was the kind of place the civilized parts of the world sought to pass by.

By "high spots" I would point to Venice, Ummayad Spain, Ireland, Cornwall, Brittany and Byzantium off and on.

The petty kingdoms and tribal alliances in that vast territory we now call France and Germany serve more as a basis for genealogies for descendants of the titled nobles than they do as something we want to point to as constituting high culture and civilization.

The supposed "invasion" Charles Martel "turned back" was very little more than an attempt by the Governor of Spain to protect an existing Moslem community across the Pyranees from tribal raiders and bandits. He apparantly underestimated how many of them there were.

Someday folks of predominantly Western European ancestry will come to grips with the Dark Ages and recognize that it was a terrible forge filled with disease and deprivation, but one which also prepared them for the role as world organizer. We will know that day has arrived when the Franks are "dethroned". In reality they were as important and meaningful to the march of progress as are those rebel elements of the Congolese Army today.

57 posted on 08/05/2002 4:37:36 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Prysson
Special note regarding missionaries in France: In the days of Charles Martel Christian missionaries were just then "invading France", particularly the North, just like the Moslem missionaries who were "invading France".

Did you ever check out this guy's lifestyle? A chick here, a concubine there, a wife in this town, and another one there; stories of casual murder; laying waste entire counties for no reason at all; etc.

Even though he was "one of their boys", I noticed the Catholic Encyclopedia does not treat Chucky-babe kindly. In contrast, their references to his Moslem opponent are proper and respectful. Must be a reason, eh?!

58 posted on 08/05/2002 4:46:56 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Prysson
Bookmark
59 posted on 08/05/2002 5:27:29 PM PDT by Robe
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To: Prysson
Very good article! World "leaders" have become delusional, and there will be a terrible price to be paid.
60 posted on 08/05/2002 6:00:53 PM PDT by sheik yerbouty
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