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To: aSkeptic
Hmmm now we are getting somewhere...so you are a "religious" but not a muslim nor a christian....so that would make you what a buhdist...maybe a daoist...I dont know you seem to be some kind of generic deist perhaps. Well that is all fine and good. For the record I am yes a christian but ironically I do NOT believe that only people who are christians go to "heaven" That is just one of your own predjudices coming thorugh that seeks to label all christians as racist freaks coming through. But no doubt someone of your own very simple intelect does not find that glaring contradiction disturbing.

Nevertheless the scope and depth of my belief system is not something I particularly care to get into here. I admit to being a christian but I am certain not what most people would consider a "bible thumping freak". Yes I believe that Jesus Christ is my lord and Savior. Does that make me stupid...dont answer that you will no doubt in your infinate wisdom claim yes and then as per usual for someone like you offer no evidence to back up your claim. I do however have many "bible thumpers" as very dear friends, but that does not prevent them for fearing for my soul and nor does it prevent me from thinking their own perspective are incorrect.

I suppose in your own narrow world view I would be labeled a racist...I just dont know. Liberals have so perverted the world that to assign any value to any kind of cultural attribute immediately gets labeled as racist. In my opinion people like you who like to label anyone who has a different opinion as racist, hobophobe, sexist etc. are just as guilty of the hatred that you ascribe to others. Only you hate people for what they think.
Of course the truth is that you have no substantive argument to back up your own hateful opinions. You despise christians, and yet see no glaring contradiction in your supposed antipathy to those who hold what you deem to be racist opinons.

Your hypacrasy and callowness knows no bounds. You do not have any facts to back up your arguments. You have no relative information to add to the debate. You have infact already lost the argument since the fact is that everything I stated about the Islamic world is fact. You could not hold a discussion for even five minutes were your position to be that Muslims are peace loving people who wont only to get along with their neighbors. You would get even less far arguing that all christians are racists freaks. Factually you have no facts to bring to the table. Only your hatred and your spite.

Your spite does not however touch me. I pity you and so I am willing to waste some of my time on you but you certainly do not pose any real threat to me (Except in that idiots like you vote and somehow manage to have a political strength that weakens our national resolve).

But just so you know..I have brought to the table the fatcs of Islamic history and the reality of the Quran. Its own religious heritage and the lengthy history of tehir own action indict them in any rational argument.....you have brought to the table name calling. Your case as it stands is not impressive. Your method of argumentation is one I have long since regected. I dont care what you "call" me. You can not prove a racist intent. simply by naming me such. Since I do not fear your name calling it has no power over me. I will not silence myself simply because some uneducated buffon wants to call me bad names that he/she has been taught are sure fire winners to silencing debate. Your tried and tested methods of silencing opposition do not have any effect on me.

You call me a racist because I believe that western civilization is superior to eastern. I call you an idiot for thinking that cultural values are relative.

I have 1500 years of evidence to back me up. In two hundred years a nation built on our values carved a nation out of a wilderness and made it the most powerful and proserpous nation in the world. Our freedom are more complete, our wealth is more absolute, our poverty levels are lower and our military might is stronger than any nation on the face of the planet in its antire history. All of this comes from our cultural values and we did it in less then 400 years. In 4000 years the middle east has accomplished what. Poverty . Women as property. The creation and perpetuation of the slave trade. Intolerance of religion ( you should go there considering you attitude towards christians you would fit right in)

You wonder why I value my culture more then theirs. You say it is racits of me to think of our culture as better then theirs. DAMN RIGHT I DO. And I care not whether you or anyone else thinks it is wrong. I do not put my value systems at the whim and mercy of idiots like you. I am my own arbiter of value. The facts are there, the evidence is in. If the only thing you can come of with is relativism and name calling then stop wasting my time.
63 posted on 08/05/2002 9:55:17 PM PDT by Prysson
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To: Prysson
YHBT (you have been trolled), purposely, just to prove a point. I think what you replied with is called a straw man tactic. Never did I accuse you of being racist. And If you look at my posts can you really say I'm a liberal? The troll post, is in fact what I believe. I don't want to go to war (ala WWWIII) to satisfy someone elses religious insecuritys. And I don't appreciate being put up like a straw man for all the principles you are against. How do you know I am against everthing you believe?

I don't need to correct every bogus assumption you assert, but I will say that I do not hate christians. My mom is a christian, some of the people I work with are christians. Of course they are good people and I certainly don't condecend them even to myself.

If my reasoning can be proven to be faulty, with consequences drawn, then we can proceed to comunicate. Otherwise we might as well just hurtle feces at each other. We would achive the same result.

73 posted on 08/06/2002 7:03:43 AM PDT by aSkeptic
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