In-House Wars: For at least one, the goal was to drive people away.

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[justshe]

(Regarding the answer to stopping the 'in-house wars')

The answer is for everyone to just stop doing it.

I know that is hard for some, because things have gotten to the point where now things are personal. There are wounds in some cases, and in others there is anger. Makes it really hard for people to stand down. Unfortunately, I am pretty sure it has been planned this way.

Earlier tonight thanks to a tip from someone who I wish I had listened to earlier, we discovered someone who had at least 8 different accounts. One bashed Horowitz, Swaggert, and Art Bell. Another bashed Keyes. Another posted as a rabid Keyester. Another posted as a Klayman basher. Several seemed to have a thing for mocking Registered.

What was the guy's game? Here is a graphic and caption off of the profile of one of them:

I'm very sorry, but I just couldn't stand all the fighting any longer!

Yes, he wanted to get people fighting to where they would walk away.

One of this guy's incarnations posted a piece or two from anarchist website strike-the-root, which to me hints to what his ideology is. It would also explain why he had a knack for going after the DC chapter folks. I recall nrkybill (anarchy Bill) had some issues with you all. They are not the same people, I don't think, but if their ideology is the same and their main targets are the same, then it is possible that there is some connection.

Obviously, the goal is to drive people away. This is not happening on just one side, it is happening on all sides. It is a form of disruption that relies on the cover of good people engaging in flame wars with them so that the disruptors seem part of the mass rather than the agent provocatuers that they are.

There are two options, really. People can help us out in finding them by refusing to take part in the flame wars and being understanding when a person gets sent to the cooler, so that eventually the real problem children are rooted out.

And the other option is to let them win by letting them drive you away- with you being people from every single conservative faction we have. Rest assured though, if that one happens, if you make another home and it starts being successful, they will come there and do it to you there.

I've asked this before. I'll ask it again. (And this is not aimed at you, ... but at the forum). Please stop it with the personal attacks. One can have a rip-roaring take-it-to-the-mat political debate with someone without getting personal, without resorting to childish taunts, and still not have it be bland.

And the best thing that one can do otherwise is to use a little self-enforcement. A Bushie telling a Bushie to knock off the insults is going to probably work better than a Keyester telling a Bushie to knock off the insults, and vice versa.

My flame suits are back on, so everyone have at it again. But please at least think about it. Thanks, AM

[DeSoto]

Boring, juvenile but not all that entertaining to me. I understand your point however

I agree, that is why I lurk instead of post.

[RedBloodedAmerican]

And well you should have!

[Howlin]

That said, there is no question that the poster in question had said he was going to post some proof, and the injured party had pretty much said go ahead.

I, being the injured party in this case, NEVER said to post my REAL FULL NAME AND POLLING PLACE.......any attempt to portray my saying "Go ahead" as permission is a flat outdistortion of what happened on that thread, and is being put forth by somebody trying to take the heat off themselves for breaking a rule they KNEW is held high here on FR.

This may have been misconstrued as permission to post what he did.

Only to a person who was hell bent on posting it anyway. If anybody needs further proof that Registered is a stalker, you need only ask yourself two things: why was he looking for my voter's registration anyway, as I have NEVER said anything about my registration, period. And two) once he found it, all he had to do was CLICK ON MY NAME to see that I did, in fact, vote in November 2000, which WAS the last election and/or primary, was it not? Unless the state is having elections and not telling anybody, I'm current.

And another thing: Mr. "I Can't Tell Who is a Real Conservative or Not" was so busy trying to prove ME a liar -- because my election account said INACTIVE -- that he never even took the time to find out WHY......and if he had, he would have found out it is because I have applied to have my registration changed from Guilford County to Wake County and the paperwork hasn't gone through.

But, of course, that wouldn't have given him the chance to take to make ME look like a liar, would it, as he is spending all his suspension time on LP telling people. I ask you, who IS the liar here?

It's high time to stop pretending that people like that are "only trying to root out disruptors." Unless, of course, somebody on this forum wants to say that I am a disruptor.

Whatever I am and whatever I post, I have NEVER posted personal information about people. And not becasue I knew it wasn't allowed on this forum; the reason I don't do it is because it's not a good and honest thing to do. You can draw your own conclusions about people who do.

[terilyn]

[Southflanknorthpawsis]

Great post #383, Howlin. You have spoken the truth and it's about time people pay attention to what ACTUALLY occurs versus the version offered by the offender.

That episode of Registered posting your personal info and the fact he felt justified to delve into your personal life is not only shameful and unethical, but should be considered stalking.

It's not funny, entertaining or educational. It is pure and simple harassment and who knows what else.

I thought his temporary suspension was way too easy, but I never dreamed that I would see him defended for his dirty games.

It's really sad. What's more......he spends a great deal of time these days bad-mouthing Freepers on another forum. I guess some people don't get it when it's as close as sitting on their noses.

[Miss Marple]

I have read the whole thread.

In my opinion, Registered should be permanently banned, but that is not my decision. I do not like the fact that this is being treated like a joke. It is not.

I also am well aware that there are true disruptors here, and they mask themselves as anti-Bush conservatives. Not all anti-Bush people are disruptors, of course. However, I do seem to see a lot of people who have about 5 anti-Bush slogans that they repeat, without ever actually entering into any sort of discussion. Lot's of "just like his daddy" and "I voted for Bush but not again" stuff. Also accusations of socialism, NWO, etc. but no back-up stuff.

Now I realize some people have this position and actually do provide their evidence, such as it is, but there are an awful lot of posters lately that seem to have read Terry McAuliffe's instructions on how to sound conservative when posting on a web site.

[DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet]

And, if he gets away with it now, what's to keep him from doing it again to someone else?

Nothing. And that's what bothers me.

[Freedom2specul8]

AM....Since the claim has been made that howlin gave registered permission to post her personal info on this public forum , I'd like to see a copy of the post you are referring to..If you believed the comment was made, and that registered was given permission, (whether in jest or not) I would then have to ask, why do you think registered decided to do it?

If jokes have been made about what he did, I am appalled.

thanks.

[Mo1]

but I knew Dr. Keyes and his followers were trying to divide Conservatives when I first saw Dr. Keyes' article I am not a Bush Republican!

WOW .. Keyes wrote that???

Good Grief

BTW .. sorry I'm late for the ping

[DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet]

Yeah, he wrote that. Referred to President Bush as "the bullet that kills you", or something similar. If that's not divisive, I don't know what is.

[Mo1]

Many conservatives believe that the Clinton presidency was the most dangerous time we have faced, as Americans and conservatives, in the history of the country. I do not share this belief. Rather, I believe that we are now entering that most dangerous era.

That part made my jaw drop .. I can't believe he actually wrote that

[DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet]

I know. Just one of the many reasons why I can't stand him.

[MeekOneGOP]

I'm tired today......and we're having steak for dinner, so I qualify, also, as beef-witted haggard.

[MeekOneGOP]

No, not Howard. It was one of his patients. Something would be mentioned in the session about something was missing and the man was always quick with I took it !, or something would be found broken, I did it !, etc. He was always taking responsibility/blame for stuff he didn't do! Hmm? Maybe it was Howard. Now I'm really confused, lol! Maybe it was me!......

[qwert]

Ahhhh, Truer words cannot be spoken. I have seen with my own eyes people whom post here and then over on DU. A few of them are hardcore DU'ers but you would not know it by reading there comments over here, but every so often they will show there true stripes, like by writing something like "Well I am NOT voting for xxxxx xxxx because he/she is anti-xxxxx"
It makes no since to agree with someones position on 80 - 90 percent of the issues and not for him/her because they disagree about one issue. Especially if there follow up comment is something like
"Well I am gonna vote for xxxx xxxxxxx"
Whom everybody knows is so far left that he/she is in left field without a glove. This same person will assure you/us that "of course" they don't agree on all there positions but they are not anti-xxxxxxx so that is enought for them.

This is how the pro-drug people act. They will espouse to be true "conservatives" and agree with everything the conservative canidate says except about some dumb-ass drug policy and for this very reason they will vote for some
"has-been" like Harry Browne and try to convince everybody else to vote for him also ...thereby splitting the conservatives vote and getting there "Real" canidate elected...Agent provocateur indeed !!

[Dominic Harr]

Why is it then that you're the only person on the tech threads interested in everybody's resume?

Because they just tend to ignore you once you start pretending to not "understand" the plain words they say.

In what, 4 threads now?

I, on the other hand, consider that a challenge. I think the most boring thing in the world is if someone says, "The sky is green" to just disagree and walk away. That's the kind of challenge I specifically look for on these boards.

I'm actually here looking for ways to get thru to blind partisans. That's my idea of entertainment. Most folks just walk away.

Where's the fun in that?

[MeekOneGOP]

Banning is too good for you.

I think I'll have to have you over for dinner.

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You never ping me anymore. I miss you.

LOL! You're so nice. Thanks. A short while back I had trouble with my hard drive. Seeing it was slowly dying, I copied my important files (including my FR stuff - ping lists, etc). Then I replaced the bad drive. AFTER the bad drive croaked, I found out that the copied files were corrupted and I couldn't retrieve them.

I couldn't remember who was on my ping list. I'll add you back now, though!

[discostu]

No Dom that's not it at all. I've watched you too long. You forget there were months there when I avoided posting to threads you were on, doesn't mean I didn't read them. Here's the Dominic Harr school of "debate":
Post some assertion which may or may not be backed up by fact and query for input.
When recieving input that contradicts the assertion call it into question.
When recieving incontrovertible facts backing of that contradictory input question the experience of the poster.
When said poster lists their experience scoff at it, either by insisting that no one with said experience would say such a thing, or by insisting that said experience has no real world value compared to the immense wealth of Dominic Harr's all knowing knowledge.
At this point the thread is now nothing more than a pissing contest because YOU have turned it personal. Nobody's willing to back down on the issue now, least of all you even in the face of tons of evidence from NAI and you will label everyone a "partisan" or "apologist" simply because they think you're an incredibly rude and annoying person.

[Dominic Harr]

Like it or not, in a highly technical thread someone questioning your technical experience is not a personal attack.

Any more than if you gave a medical opinion questioning your medical experience would be a personal attack.

Do not flame anyone else for questioning your technical expertise. Others have, and will again. And sooner or later you're going to send a filth-laden email to someone who wants you suspended.

I'm just trying to help keep that from happening.

[discostu]

Depends on the questioning. Asking isn't a personal attack. The crap you do IS. There's a big difference between "what level of experience are you speaking from" and "QA is not respected for it's technical experience". When you run out of facts you go to personal assaults Dom, face facts. you are everything you profess to despise.