How the British maximize crime

TownHall.com ^ | 8/01/02 | Paul Craig Roberts

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Part One:

Guns And Violence

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[Paul Atreides]

One wonders why Rosie and Sarah Brady didn't move to such a paradise.

[Billy_bob_bob]

In a free society free men are allowed by law to carry weapons and to use them to defend themselves from being attacked or robbed. Slaves, on the other hand, are not allowed to carry weapons and are not allowed to use them to defend themselves against any attack whatsoever.

People are going to have to decide if they want to live as free men or if they would rather live like slaves. The right to keep and bear arms has little to do with hunting, it has a whole lot to do with the basic relationship of the individual to the state. I wish more people realized that fact.

[Texas_Jarhead]

Very interesting and scary

[lizma]

""the English police still grossly underreport crimes"

It was about 12 years ago that the Washington Times ran a story on comparing the amount of crime during the day in D.C. to London.

Yeah, gang murder was higher here, but daytime armed breakins were astronomical there. 6 x's higher.

I truly can't understand why the left thinks this a good thing.

[Travis McGee]

"the English police still grossly underreport crimes"

I think one ploy they have been using is to report multiple occurances of the same crime as one crime. That is ten break-ins in one apartment block = one crime.

BTW, what ever happened to those tough Tommies who chased Rommel out of Africa?

[supercat]

I truly can't understand why the left thinks this a good thing.

Because the elite live in gated communities with armed guards, and because crime is effective at keeping the 'little people' in their place.

[elephantlips]

Their resemblance to cheese-eating-surrender-monkies is remarkable! Must be the geography.

[VOA]

In a free society free men are allowed by law to carry weapons and to use them to
defend themselves from being attacked or robbed.

IIRC, Machiavelli said something to the effect that "the Swiss are the most armed,
and most free, people of Europe."

Sorry I don't have a citation for that. Even if it is a bogus quotation, it's still true.
Even today.

[pseudogratix]

In 1999, Tony Martin, a farmer, turned his shotgun on two professional thieves when they broke into his home at night to rob him a seventh time.

Holy cow! What did he have left to steal?

[pseudogratix]

From http://www.flinthills.com/~jalee/greatest.html we read:

ALMOST 500 years ago, Machiavelli wrote: "The Swiss are the most armed and the most free." His words are still relevant in Switzerland, which owes 400 years of neutrality to the traditional core role of the army, as well as its moutainous terrain. The Swiss military reaches deep into civilian life and arguably into the Swiss psyche. Gun fanatics such as Dino Bellasi are not unique.

[pseudogratix]

Also http://home.earthlink.net/~conserve/founder.htm reads:

Mahatma Gandhi: "Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the act of depriving a whole nation of arms, as the blackest." ("Gandhi, an Autobiography," M.K. Gandhi, 446)

Sigmund Freud: "A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity." ("General Introduction to Psychoanalysis")

Cesare Beccaria: "Who would take fire from men because it sometimes burns, and water because one might drown in it? Laws that forbid carrying of arms are of this nature. They disarm only those who would not commit crime, and so do not prevent crime, but encourage it." ("On Crimes and Punishment," 1764. Note: This English translation was edited for clarity.)

Machiavelli: "The Swiss are the most armed and so they are the most free" (The Prince, Chapter 12)

[tonycavanagh]

With the amount of crime happening in America, I have to admit I am somewhat puzzled about the amount of FR time spent debateing crime in Britian.

I guess one way to ignore your own problems is to concentrate on other peoples.

Cheeers Tony

[tonycavanagh]

I have in fact used unreasable force against a street attacker, when the polioce questioned me I stated that it was he not I who had the iron bar and that I got it of him purley by luck, and when I whacked him with it, I didnt mean to I was only trying to frighten him away. If you beat someone up then tell then the police they will have to act, as I know they do in America

Cheers Tony

[tonycavanagh]

Hi Travis.

I intend to go to a FR convention sometime next year.

LOL I dont know if it will be friendly or I will be having a punch up with at least a few freepers who have annoyed me.

Ah well it would be good to see you and harpseal we could drag up a few sand bags and swing the oil lamp.

Cheers Tony

[backhoe]

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[Gunrunner2]

Howdy Tony. . .we look at Britain as an example on what happens when you disarm your free citizens and turn the world upside down when it comes to defending yourself and your property. It is instructive.

I would not consider you taking an iron bar away from your attacker and whacking him with it as unreasonable force. I can't possibly see how anyone else could either. Any reasonable person would know that if you didn't whack him with it he could just as likely take it back from you and continue his attack--with deadly results.

I, unlike you, would not be interested in "only trying to frighten him way," I would be more interested in ensuring I was safe and he did not attack me again--and if that means I whack him until he gives up. . .well, too bad for him, that's his dumb luck and he deserved it.

Finally, reference your statement, "If you beat someone up and then tell the police they will have to act." Yes, if you picked someone out of a crowd and unilaterally attacked them. That is quite different than is situations where you were acting in self-defense.

In the US each person is presumed to have the RIGHT of self defense of their life and property. And if you are "in fear for your life, or the life of another," you are permitted to kill the attacker(s). That said, a bad guy attacking you with an iron bar is attacking with deadly force. Therefore, if kill the attacker by turning his weapon against him or by shooting him, that would be fine by US standards. In fact, the police might give you a medal for saving all those court costs and overtime, and the newspapers would run a nice story about how Joe Average is a hero by stopping an obviously evil person.

Bottom line, as long as you were attacked and defended yourself, or another innocent, the police will not "act" (meaning take action against you).