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How the British maximize crime
TownHall.com ^ | 8/01/02 | Paul Craig Roberts

Posted on 07/31/2002 9:27:10 PM PDT by kattracks

Note: The following is the second of a two-part series

Did you know that a person's chances of being mugged in London are six times higher than in New York City?

Did you know that assault, robbery and burglary rates are far higher in England than in the United States?

Did you know that in England self-defense of person or property is regarded as an anti-social act, and that a victim who injures or kills an assailant is likely to be treated with more severity than the assailant?

Joyce Lee Malcolm blames the rocketing rates of violent and armed crimes in England on "government policies that have gone badly wrong." Her careful research in "Guns and Violence: The English Experience," just released by Harvard University Press, leads to this conclusion: "Government created a hapless, passive citizenry, then took upon itself the impossible task of protecting it. Its failure could not be more flagrant."

Malcolm begins her study of English crime rates, weapons ownership and attitudes toward self-defense in the Middle Ages. She continues the story through the Tudor-Stuart centuries, the 18th, 19th and 20th centuries. She finds that five centuries of growing civility, low crime rates and declining firearm homicide rates ended in the 20th century.

Malcolm shows that an unprotected public at the mercy of criminals is the result of (1) the 1967 revision of criminal law, which altered the common-law standard for self-defense and began the process of criminalizing self-defense, and (2) increasing restrictions on handguns and other firearms, culminating in the 1997 ban of handgun ownership (and most other firearms).

In England, the penalty for possessing a handgun is 10 years in prison. The result is the one predicted by the National Rifle Association: "when guns are outlawed, only outlaws have guns." During the two years following the 1997 handgun ban, the use of handguns in crime rose by 40 percent. During seven months of 2001, armed robberies in London rose by 53 percent.

These shocking crime rates are understatements, because "the English police still grossly underreport crimes. ... The 1998 British Crime Survey found four times as many crimes occurred as police records indicated."

A disarmed public now faces outlaws armed with machine-guns. People in London residential neighborhoods have been machine-gunned to death. Gunmen have even burst into court and freed defendants.

The British government forbids citizens to carry any article that might be used for self-defense. Even knitting needles and walking sticks have been judged to be "offensive weapons." In 1994, an English homeowner used a toy gun to detain two burglars who had broken into his home. The police arrested the homeowner for using an imitation gun to threaten and intimidate.

A British Petroleum executive was wounded in an assault on his life in a London Underground train carriage. In desperation, he fought off his attackers by using an ornamental sword blade in his walking stick. He was tried and convicted of carrying an offensive weapon.

A youth fearful of being attacked by a gang was arrested for carrying a cycle chain. After police disarmed him, he was set upon and hospitalized as a result of a brutal beating. The prosecutor nevertheless insisted on prosecuting the victim for "carrying a weapon."

Seventy percent of rural villages in Britain entirely lack police presence. But self-defense must be "reasonable," as determined after the fact by a prosecutor. What is reasonable to a victim being attacked or confronted with home intruders at night can be quite different from how a prosecutor sees it. A woman who uses a weapon to fight off an unarmed rapist could be convicted of using unreasonable force.

In 1999, Tony Martin, a farmer, turned his shotgun on two professional thieves when they broke into his home at night to rob him a seventh time. Martin received a life sentence for killing one criminal, 10 years for wounding the second and 12 months for having an illegal shotgun. The wounded burglar has already been released from prison.

American prosecutors now follow British ones in restricting self-defense to reasonable force as defined by prosecutors. Be forewarned that Americans can no longer use deadly force against home intruders unless the intruder is also armed and the homeowner can establish that he could not hide from the intruder and had reason to believe his life was in danger.

The assault on England's version of the Second Amendment was conducted by unsavory characters in the British Home Office. Long before guns were banned, the Home Office secretly instructed the police not to issue licenses for weapons intended to protect home and property.

In the British welfare state, crimes against property are not taken seriously. Malcolm reports that criminals face minimal chances of arrest and punishment, but a person who uses force to defend himself or his property is in serious trouble with the law. A recent British law textbook says that the right to self-defense is so mitigated "as to cast doubt on whether it still forms part of the law."

An Englishman's home is no longer his castle. Thanks to gun-control zealots, England has become the land of choice for criminals.

Contact Paul Craig Roberts | Read his biography

©2002 Creators Syndicate, Inc.



TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
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1 posted on 07/31/2002 9:27:10 PM PDT by kattracks
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To: kattracks
Part One:

Guns And Violence

2 posted on 07/31/2002 9:29:50 PM PDT by kattracks
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To: Vic3O3
ping
3 posted on 07/31/2002 9:30:40 PM PDT by kattracks
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To: kattracks
One wonders why Rosie and Sarah Brady didn't move to such a paradise.
4 posted on 07/31/2002 9:33:11 PM PDT by Paul Atreides
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To: kattracks
In a free society free men are allowed by law to carry weapons and to use them to defend themselves from being attacked or robbed. Slaves, on the other hand, are not allowed to carry weapons and are not allowed to use them to defend themselves against any attack whatsoever.

People are going to have to decide if they want to live as free men or if they would rather live like slaves. The right to keep and bear arms has little to do with hunting, it has a whole lot to do with the basic relationship of the individual to the state. I wish more people realized that fact.

5 posted on 07/31/2002 9:35:18 PM PDT by Billy_bob_bob
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To: kattracks
Very interesting and scary
6 posted on 07/31/2002 9:51:54 PM PDT by Texas_Jarhead
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To: kattracks
""the English police still grossly underreport crimes"

It was about 12 years ago that the Washington Times ran a story on comparing the amount of crime during the day in D.C. to London.

Yeah, gang murder was higher here, but daytime armed breakins were astronomical there. 6 x's higher.

I truly can't understand why the left thinks this a good thing.
7 posted on 07/31/2002 9:55:43 PM PDT by lizma
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To: lizma; tonycavanagh; MadIvan; maica; *bang_list; Squantos; harpseal; wardaddy; Shooter 2.5
"the English police still grossly underreport crimes"

I think one ploy they have been using is to report multiple occurances of the same crime as one crime. That is ten break-ins in one apartment block = one crime.

BTW, what ever happened to those tough Tommies who chased Rommel out of Africa?

8 posted on 07/31/2002 10:02:49 PM PDT by Travis McGee
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To: lizma
I truly can't understand why the left thinks this a good thing.

Because the elite live in gated communities with armed guards, and because crime is effective at keeping the 'little people' in their place.

9 posted on 07/31/2002 10:21:42 PM PDT by supercat
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To: Travis McGee
Their resemblance to cheese-eating-surrender-monkies is remarkable! Must be the geography.
10 posted on 07/31/2002 10:33:33 PM PDT by elephantlips
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To: Billy_bob_bob
In a free society free men are allowed by law to carry weapons and to use them to
defend themselves from being attacked or robbed.


IIRC, Machiavelli said something to the effect that "the Swiss are the most armed,
and most free, people of Europe."

Sorry I don't have a citation for that. Even if it is a bogus quotation, it's still true.
Even today.
11 posted on 08/01/2002 12:06:07 AM PDT by VOA
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To: kattracks
In 1999, Tony Martin, a farmer, turned his shotgun on two professional thieves when they broke into his home at night to rob him a seventh time.

Holy cow! What did he have left to steal?

12 posted on 08/01/2002 12:15:27 AM PDT by pseudogratix
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To: VOA
From http://www.flinthills.com/~jalee/greatest.html we read:

ALMOST 500 years ago, Machiavelli wrote: "The Swiss are the most armed and the most free." His words are still relevant in Switzerland, which owes 400 years of neutrality to the traditional core role of the army, as well as its moutainous terrain. The Swiss military reaches deep into civilian life and arguably into the Swiss psyche. Gun fanatics such as Dino Bellasi are not unique.
13 posted on 08/01/2002 12:18:32 AM PDT by pseudogratix
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To: VOA
Also http://home.earthlink.net/~conserve/founder.htm reads:

Mahatma Gandhi: "Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the act of depriving a whole nation of arms, as the blackest." ("Gandhi, an Autobiography," M.K. Gandhi, 446)

Sigmund Freud: "A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity." ("General Introduction to Psychoanalysis")

Cesare Beccaria: "Who would take fire from men because it sometimes burns, and water because one might drown in it? Laws that forbid carrying of arms are of this nature. They disarm only those who would not commit crime, and so do not prevent crime, but encourage it." ("On Crimes and Punishment," 1764. Note: This English translation was edited for clarity.)

Machiavelli: "The Swiss are the most armed and so they are the most free" (The Prince, Chapter 12)
14 posted on 08/01/2002 12:21:08 AM PDT by pseudogratix
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To: kattracks
With the amount of crime happening in America, I have to admit I am somewhat puzzled about the amount of FR time spent debateing crime in Britian.

I guess one way to ignore your own problems is to concentrate on other peoples.

Cheeers Tony

15 posted on 08/01/2002 1:20:13 AM PDT by tonycavanagh
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I have in fact used unreasable force against a street attacker, when the polioce questioned me I stated that it was he not I who had the iron bar and that I got it of him purley by luck, and when I whacked him with it, I didnt mean to I was only trying to frighten him away. If you beat someone up then tell then the police they will have to act, as I know they do in America

Cheers Tony

16 posted on 08/01/2002 1:28:11 AM PDT by tonycavanagh
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To: Travis McGee
Hi Travis.

I intend to go to a FR convention sometime next year.

LOL I dont know if it will be friendly or I will be having a punch up with at least a few freepers who have annoyed me.

Ah well it would be good to see you and harpseal we could drag up a few sand bags and swing the oil lamp.

Cheers Tony

18 posted on 08/01/2002 1:37:04 AM PDT by tonycavanagh
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To: kattracks; All
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19 posted on 08/01/2002 1:59:39 AM PDT by backhoe
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Howdy Tony. . .we look at Britain as an example on what happens when you disarm your free citizens and turn the world upside down when it comes to defending yourself and your property. It is instructive.

I would not consider you taking an iron bar away from your attacker and whacking him with it as unreasonable force. I can't possibly see how anyone else could either. Any reasonable person would know that if you didn't whack him with it he could just as likely take it back from you and continue his attack--with deadly results.

I, unlike you, would not be interested in "only trying to frighten him way," I would be more interested in ensuring I was safe and he did not attack me again--and if that means I whack him until he gives up. . .well, too bad for him, that's his dumb luck and he deserved it.

Finally, reference your statement, "If you beat someone up and then tell the police they will have to act." Yes, if you picked someone out of a crowd and unilaterally attacked them. That is quite different than is situations where you were acting in self-defense.

In the US each person is presumed to have the RIGHT of self defense of their life and property. And if you are "in fear for your life, or the life of another," you are permitted to kill the attacker(s). That said, a bad guy attacking you with an iron bar is attacking with deadly force. Therefore, if kill the attacker by turning his weapon against him or by shooting him, that would be fine by US standards. In fact, the police might give you a medal for saving all those court costs and overtime, and the newspapers would run a nice story about how Joe Average is a hero by stopping an obviously evil person.

Bottom line, as long as you were attacked and defended yourself, or another innocent, the police will not "act" (meaning take action against you).

20 posted on 08/01/2002 4:57:59 AM PDT by Gunrunner2
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