Posted on 07/31/2002 9:27:10 PM PDT by kattracks
Exactly.
Amazing how so may people cannot process or otherwise digest the simple truth that violence is morally neutral absent its results. If a citizen or police officer or soldier uses violence to protect the innocent or defend himself, there is absolutely no moral transgression. None whatsoever.
The left has been wildly successful in shaping discussion - and even bounding people's behaviors - by destroying the distnction between physical equivalence and moral equivalence.
Well snap, so have I, well three, but I guess you cant say North Ireland and Bosnia were wars, more peace keeping.
re : As for as far as your insults go which seem to be your way of conducting a discussion of the issue.
Maybe I was responding to the Their resemblance to cheese-eating-surrender-monkies is remarkable! Must be the geography.
LOL Of course I stand corrected maybe this was an example of love poetry or some such thing.
So you are mostly British well snap again my old man was a American service man.
As for the jerk well we always recognise each other.
Cheers old lippymate Tony
I agree as for Britian its not the lack of guns for non law breaking civilians in Britian that is responsible for the level of crime, Britian has not been a gun owning society since the beginning of the 20th century, it is instead due to the influx of drugs, coupled with an efficient and complicated legal sytem which is right open for abuse.
More police, a slicker system, and proper sentences for those convicted of real crime is whats needed in Britian.
Problem is you can not disarm that waht was never armed in the first place.
The Hand gun ban, affected sports shooters at most.
The rise of crime can not be due to something that never really happend, what it is due to is the influx of crack cocain into Britian in the 1990s.
Cheers and howdy back. Tony
No not really as nearly every house hold in Britian was laredy disarmed.
As I have stated before the Hand Giun Ban did not affect many people most Hand guns banned were sports guns.
I know this as I used to do 22 sports shooting.
Crime in Britian rose with the influx of crack cocain in the 1990s.
Cheers Tony
The problems we have in Britian are the same problems that plauge parts of America.
Crack Cocian and the WOD.
People talk about the Hand Gun Ban, but the only people who owned guns that were banned was those who used Guns for sport.
Cheers Tony
Yes I do know I read FR enough to understand that.
What is the British conservative movement doing to restore your God-given right of self-defense?.
Well in 1922 afraid of a Communist under Winston Churchill they enacted very strong anti gun laws.
In 1996 after the shooting at Dunblane they enacted more stingent gun laws, this affected very few individuals as by know most hand guns were confined to sports shooters.
Under Labour this law was tightend even further.
You will have to go very far back into British History to find evidence of gun ownership in Britian, and in most cases it was the ruling classes who were allowed to carry.
Cheers Tony
In other words I am all for arming the Citezenry.
Most people and that includes those on the right will oppose me.
And for one simple fact, Britian has not been a gun owning society for hundreds of yeras, and even when it was more prevelant it was mosty confined to those at the top of society.
The British always looked and still do today to the Police and Criminal courts. This is a very old and very entrenched postion.
The fact is that with the rise of drug crime and the mass profits that go with it, a new criminal has arisen, more ruthless and more intelligent and know how to play the system.
Either we look to the police or look to ourselfs to sort this problem out, or maybe a mixture of both.
My beef is with those who attack Britian look at Britian what a nation of idiots they allowed them selfs to be disarmed.
Well it would be true except for one small fact we were never armed in the first place.
What I an my friends propose is new and radicle.
Cheers Tony
I hate to agree with a wanker, but by my personal knowledge this is true. During past visits to the UK, when politely asked, my British friends would admit that they didn't and never had owned a gun and didn't know many others that did. Most of these subjects were active or ex RAF. During WWII the Brits begged for guns from the NRA and American gun owners. We sent GB about 7000 rifles. Had the British been armed at home, Dunkirk would not have been the excuse to put the bite on the US gun owner.
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