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THE DOWNING OF TWA FLIGHT 800: 'Hey, look at the fireworks'
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | Wednesday, July 17, 2002 | By Jack Cashill and James Sanders

Posted on 07/17/2002 1:58:36 AM PDT by JohnHuang2

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To: Arthur Wildfire! March
It appears to me that Clinton didn't have the guts to take on Islamic terrorists, so he covered it up.

See "It wasn't terrorists. It couldn't have been."

Do you think Clinton wouldn't have tried to cover up a naval exercise accident? Even Reagan would have tried to keep the lid on one.

ML/NJ

21 posted on 07/17/2002 4:29:40 AM PDT by ml/nj
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To: Alberta's Child
Flight 800 was shot down by the U.S. Navy in response to to a very credible threat that it had been hijacked and would be flown into the World Trade Center.

You don't call upon the Navy to shoot down hijacked airplanes.

ML/NJ

22 posted on 07/17/2002 4:32:29 AM PDT by ml/nj
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To: WyldKard
I do believe a number of groups claimed responsibility at the time. I believe the first was in a London paper.
23 posted on 07/17/2002 4:34:49 AM PDT by DB
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To: Cachelot
It is beginning to look as if ME terrorism was involved in OKC too. Why has no one stepped up to take credit?

I've wondered that myself. At the same time, I don't remember any ME group taking credit for the 1993 attempt to take down the WTC. Can somebody say if my memory is correct on this?

America's Fifth Column ... watch PBS documentary JIHAD! In America
New Link: Download 8 Mb zip file here (60 minute video)

24 posted on 07/17/2002 4:41:57 AM PDT by JCG
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To: JohnHuang2
bump for later
25 posted on 07/17/2002 4:55:22 AM PDT by the crow
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To: Democratic_Machiavelli
ping
26 posted on 07/17/2002 5:14:57 AM PDT by HarryDunne
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To: freedom4ever
How can something this big be covered up so well?

A few days ago a caller on the Neal Boortz radio show asked him this very question. Boortz's response made a lot of sense. He said that the only people who know this was a terrorist attack would be the terrorists themselves and the two or three experts that found suspect residue during the ensuing investigation.

He went on to explain that a sitting president's reaction to this type of attack should be one of 'cover up' because of the probable damage to the airline industry. Cover up and go after the terrorists who commited the attack. Clinton, as usual in his half-a**ed way of running goverment, just buried it.

27 posted on 07/17/2002 5:45:49 AM PDT by Quilla
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To: afz400
This is the 1st time I've heard this. Any links?
28 posted on 07/17/2002 5:56:03 AM PDT by B4Ranch
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To: JohnHuang2
NTSB Claims Witnesses Didn't See What They Saw
29 posted on 07/17/2002 5:57:28 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum
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To: WyldKard
No one claimed responsibility for 9.11 either. We know who did it because it involved hijackers who could be identified. I don't recall any announcement by BL or his group saying that they did this. Captured video that dances around the issue doesn't count as public claiming of ownership.
30 posted on 07/17/2002 6:01:18 AM PDT by wtc911
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To: ml/nj
If it was a Navy exercise then how do you explain the eyewitnesses which seem to have missiles coming from shore as well as the sea, missiles heading north as well as south, missile of different colors and shapes? If the missile was fired by the Navy then how did witnesses miss the launch. I've participated in night missile shoots and they are unmistakable. They flash of the launch can be seen for miles and the missile itself shoots out a flame as long as a telephone pole. Yet nobody reported seeing anything like that. Why not?
31 posted on 07/17/2002 6:01:19 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Tourist Guy
FLT 587 ran the same way. Local news people were on the scene in twenty minutes or so. Every one they interviewed (live) who saw anything said that there was fire visible before the crash. Some said that they heard a small explosive noise that caused them to look up. These folks live in a flight path, no a corn field in Iowa. A full-sized jet directly overhead is common place. No one looks up unless there is something that doesn't sound right.

Let's not forget that for the week or so before 587 happened Thompson was all over the media giving us dire warnings that something BIG was expected soon....it happened and then, within hours, was declared an accident.

Don't believe anything they tell you through the media.

32 posted on 07/17/2002 6:09:10 AM PDT by wtc911
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To: ml/nj
You don't call upon the Navy to shoot down hijacked airplanes.

I am curious of your assertion. Would you not call upon whatever resources existed at your command to get the job done? Why couldn't that be the Navy?

33 posted on 07/17/2002 6:10:40 AM PDT by MosesKnows
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To: JohnHuang2
Nicely written article that identifies the obvious.
34 posted on 07/17/2002 6:17:41 AM PDT by Fred Mertz
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To: JCG
At the same time, I don't remember any ME group taking credit for the 1993 attempt to take down the WTC. Can somebody say if my memory is correct on this?

Mmmmm...partially...it was a group of ME individuals, but not an organization...

On 3rd March, a type-written communication was received at the New York Times. The communique claimed responsibility for the bombing of the World Trade Center in the name of Allah. The letter was composed on a personal computer and printed on a laser printer. Very little can be identified as to the origin of the printer, but a search of the hidden files in Ayyad's computer revealed wording identical to that of the text of the communique. Saliva samples from Salameh, Ayyad and a third man, Mahmud Abouhalima, were obtained and compared with the saliva on the envelope flap. A DNA Q Alpha examination concluded that Ayyad had licked the envelope on the communique received by the Times. Abuhalima, who was an integral part of the conspiracy, had fled the United States the day after the bombing, and had later been arrested in Egypt and extradited back to the United States.

Source

35 posted on 07/17/2002 6:23:29 AM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: HarryDunne
Thanks.
36 posted on 07/17/2002 6:32:28 AM PDT by Democratic_Machiavelli
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To: WyldKard
Why hasn't anyone tried to take much credit for it? If I were a terrorist and I wanted the people of America to know I did it, I would be shouting it from the rooftops. SOMEONE would have run the story, even if it was the international press...

I found this to be a plausible explanation:

"The absence of a claim of responsibility for the downing of TWA 800 has puzzled some, but in fact only about half of all incidents of international terrorism are credibly claimed. In another quarter of the incidents, the likely perpetrators are easily identified, but the remaining quarter requires sleuthing."

"The lack of claims may reflect the changing motives and organizational patterns of terrorism. When terrorists pursued political goals on behalf of identifiable, if imaginary, constituencies, a claim of responsibility was seen as contributing to the achievement of the terrorists' objectives. Terrorists working on behalf of state sponsors, determined solely to punish their perceived enemies, or inspired by religious fanaticism with God or his self-appointed spokesperson as their sole constituent have no need to claim responsibility. Unclaimed attacks may also simply be more terrifying as they give us no enemy to identify."

Source

37 posted on 07/17/2002 6:34:27 AM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: DB
I do believe a number of groups claimed responsibility at the time. I believe the first was in a London paper.

From the London paper:

U.S. officials are investigating reports that Islamic terrorists have smuggled Stinger ground-to-air missiles into the United States from Pakistan.

Senior Iranian sources close to the fundamentalist regime in Tehran claimed this weekend that TWA flight 800 was shot down last month by one of three shoulder-fired Stingers of the type used by Islamic guerrillas during the Afghanistan war. The sources said the missiles arrived in America seven months ago after being shipped from Karachi via Rotterdam and on to the Canadian port of Halifax. They claimed an Egyptian fundamentalist group backed by Iran was responsible for smuggling the weapons across the Canadian border into the United States.

The group, the Gama'a al-Islamiya, comprises followers of Sheikh Omar Abdel-Rahman, a blind Egyptian cleric jailed in the United States over the 1993 New York World Trade Center bombing. It has been waging a war to overthrow the government of President Hosni Mubarak of Egypt and has been held responsible for a number of attacks on tourists since 1992, including the murder of 17 Europeans last April.

A senior White House official responsible for counter-terrorism told The Sunday Times this weekend that he had seen a report that a Stinger missile had been smuggled into the United States from Pakistan. The official, who is involved in collating intelligence relating to the TWA inquiry for the White House, said investigators were aware of reports that Stingers may have been smuggled into the country.

Source

So...it was blamed, not claimed.

38 posted on 07/17/2002 6:41:34 AM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: Non-Sequitur
If it was a Navy exercise then how do you explain the eyewitnesses which seem to have missiles coming from shore as well as the sea, missiles heading north as well as south, missile of different colors and shapes? If the missile was fired by the Navy then how did witnesses miss the launch. I've participated in night missile shoots and they are unmistakable. They flash of the launch can be seen for miles and the missile itself shoots out a flame as long as a telephone pole. Yet nobody reported seeing anything like that. Why not?

Have we done this before?

Your entire little post is wrong or misleading.

All, or nearly all, the witnesses report seeing somthing rising offshore. Triangulation of sight lines of those not close enough to differentiate beween sea and shore mostly converge at one or two points off shore. I don't have time to find links now but if at least one other poster requests that I post such such data, I could do it this evening.

Telephone poles look pretty small from a mile away, which is certainly the minimum distance any witness might have been from the actual launch, and three miles is more likely. The people who saw this mostly had their attention drawn by the motion of the object, which of couse occurs after the launch flame, but you blow some anyway. Why?

This did not happen at "night." It happened at approximately 8:30 PM. Go outside this evening at that time and let me know how many starts you can see.

You say you've participated in many launches as if you know what kind of launch this one was. New weapons systems are bing tested all the time. Unless you were directly involved in this, you have no clue what the witnesses should have seen.

ML/NJ

39 posted on 07/17/2002 6:54:52 AM PDT by ml/nj
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To: MosesKnows
Would you not call upon whatever resources existed at your command to get the job done? Why couldn't that be the Navy?

Because the Navy isn't usually positioned to fire upon aircraft departing JFK. The fact that they were should be a big red flag to all.

ML/NJ

40 posted on 07/17/2002 6:57:31 AM PDT by ml/nj
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