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Canadian sniper makes record shot
Canadian Press via Globe and Mail (Toronto) ^ | July 9, 2002 | Stephen Thorne

Posted on 07/09/2002 7:37:02 PM PDT by Clive

A world-record shot by a Canadian sniper detachment could never have been made with the ammunition they were issued when they left Edmonton last winter, the triggerman said in a recent interview.

The Canadian .50-calibre rounds have a maximum range of between 2,200 and 2,300 metres. The U.S. rounds, they discovered, "fly farther, faster," said Cpl. "Bill", a 26-year-old native of Fogo Island, Nfld.

The two-man Canadian team, coupled with American Sgt. Zevon Durham of Greenville, S.C., made the kill from 2,430 metres on the second shot.

The first blew a bag from the hand of their target, an al-Qaeda fighter walking on a road.

"He didn't even flinch," said Bill, who spoke to The Canadian Press on condition that his real name not be used.

"We made a correction and the next round hit exactly where we wanted it to. Well, a bit to the right."

The kill, one of more than 20 unofficially accredited to Canadian snipers during Operation Anaconda in Afghanistan's Shah-i-Kot Valley, beat the 35-year-old record of 2,500 yards, or 2,250 metres, set by U.S. Marine Gunnery Sgt. Carlos Hathcock in Duc Pho, South Vietnam.

Soldier of Fortune magazine estimated the number of kills made by the Canadians after talking to several U.S. soldiers in Kandahar for a cover story in its August edition.

The snipers themselves will not confirm the figure.

But judging from accounts given by Canadians involved in the first major coalition offensive of the Afghan war, the figure of at least 20 sounds conservative.

Outfitted with British desert fatigues and an array of equipment from all over the world, the five Canadians divided into two detachments earned the respect of their American brothers-in-arms after helping rescue dozens of paratroopers pinned down by enemy fire.

The five have been nominated for one of the highest awards given by the United States military - the Bronze Star, two of them with Vs for Valor, marking exceptional bravery.

Awarding of the American medal, which was to have been done at a ceremony along with other Anaconda veterans in Kandahar in April, has been delayed by Canadian protocol officials.

But more important to the Canadians are the gestures from their American brethren who, while nearly killing them several times over with friendly fire, owe many lives to their shooting skills.

"They trusted us to do our job, without question," said Master Cpl. "James", a 31-year-old native of Kingsville, Ont., who also asked that his identity not be revealed.

At one point during a series of battles, one of the Canadians was without his rifle. Enemy bullets were hitting the earth all around.

Mortars were dropping in front and behind them, some within 10 metres, bracketing their position and getting closer all the time.

"They really hammered us," said Bill.

He tried to get to their rifles but couldn't. Finally, an American sniper tossed him his rifle and said: "Here, you know how to use this better than I do."

They held off the enemy until darkness descended and they escaped.

"They were instrumental in helping us achieve our goals out there," said 1st Lieut. Justin Overbaugh, 25, of Missoula, Mont., the soldier who recommended Bill and James for Bronze Stars.

"They are professionals; they are very good at what they do; they train hard, they are very mature, they are tactically and technically proficient so when it came time to do business, they were on," he said.

"If they told me I was going out right now, I'd be begging, kicking, screaming, crying for them to come with us."

Bill and James said they pulled off several shots from 2,400 metres or more.

"Shots out that far are 60 per cent skill and 40 per cent luck, or vice versa," said Bill. "Usually, it takes two or three rounds, sometimes five.

"Normally, a sniper wouldn't take that many shots, but they were out so far we felt confident they couldn't tell where we were."

At daybreak one morning, the two Canadians were set up overlooking a compound when al-Qaeda fighters started "pouring out of buildings like ants."

Bill started shooting while James called in a mortar attack, followed by B-52, F-16 and Apache helicopter strikes.

In a separate incident, Bill and James found themselves looking up at a large dark object screaming out of the sky directly above them.

It was a 220-kilogram American bomb.

"We hit the deck and covered our heads with our hands," said James.

The bomb landed 30 metres away, nose in, and never went off.

Bill and James looked at each other in disbelief.

"By the grace of God, it was a dud," said Bill. "It landed 15 metres from the B company (U.S. 101st Airborne Division) trenches. A guy got up, walked out of the trench and kicked the thing."

On another occasion, an Apache fired a missile right over their heads. It slammed into a rock wall 200 metres behind them. The snipers took it all in stride.

"Unless you have walked in their shoes or been part of a Special Forces unit, you cannot understand the closeness in proximity that a sniper is to the enemy," said Capt. Paul Madej, Operation Enduring Freedom chaplain, who debriefed the Canadians.

"The Canadian snipers are professional, well-trained soldiers who walk into harm's way and fulfilled their mission. They represent the best and they have our respect."


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News
KEYWORDS: afghanistan; banglist; southasialist; warlist
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To: Clive
Didnt Timothy McVeigh take off the head of an Iraqi soldier with a .50 cal at about a mile out, or is that just an urban legend.
21 posted on 07/09/2002 8:25:01 PM PDT by Husker24
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To: CHIEF negotiator; Travis McGee; Squantos; Jeff Head
"By the grace of God, it was a dud," said Bill. "It landed 15 metres from the B company (U.S. 101st Airborne Division) trenches. A guy got up, walked out of the trench and kicked the thing."

Funniest thing I have read in years. Stupid, but funny.

22 posted on 07/09/2002 8:26:10 PM PDT by patton
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To: Clive
"The U.S. rounds, they discovered, "fly farther, faster," said Cpl. "Bill",...

Of course they do!

23 posted on 07/09/2002 8:29:50 PM PDT by elbucko
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To: Clive
bump
24 posted on 07/09/2002 8:31:47 PM PDT by chuknospam
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To: Clive
But more important to the Canadias are the gestures, from their American brethren who, while nearly killing them several times over with friendly fire, owe many lives to their shooting skills--------An American sniper, tossed him his rifle, and said, you know how to use this better than I do

Excuse me, but this sounds like propaganda, to make our neighbors to the North feel like they are a part of things. Number one, the mentioning of sloppy soldiering on the part of the Americans (constantly putting the Canucks in danger from friendly fire) and number two, a soldier giving his rifle to another AND admitting he is inferior to the other. This story may be true, but I wouldn't bet any money on it.

25 posted on 07/09/2002 8:35:02 PM PDT by jeremiah
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To: Clive
I'm hoping we'll have a big parade when the Patricias come home, they really did a great job.
26 posted on 07/09/2002 8:36:12 PM PDT by Threepwood
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To: MindBender26
Quantity Records
27 posted on 07/09/2002 8:36:32 PM PDT by Djarum
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To: dts32041
Not to mention the heavy vegetation that made seeing that far quite a feat. And the VC had reaction teams that responded to snipers.
28 posted on 07/09/2002 8:37:09 PM PDT by willyone
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To: *bang_list
I fired a .50 and it felt like my eyeballs were pulled out from the recoil. It's not pleasant.
29 posted on 07/09/2002 8:40:13 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5
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To: Clive
We made a correction and the next round hit exactly where we wanted it to. Well, a bit to the right."

Up one, right one, Corporal.

30 posted on 07/09/2002 8:44:26 PM PDT by SamKeck
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To: Husker24
More than likely it's urban legend. He was a Bradley gunner during Desert Storm, and the 25mm chain gun has quite a reach, but even using the Brad's optical sights, there's no way he could see if he took someone's head off at that range. Even if he did, I can guarantee it was a lucky shot...the 25mm is an area target weapon, not a point target weapon like a sniper rifle.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

31 posted on 07/09/2002 8:53:02 PM PDT by wku man
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To: Clive
That is one hell of a shot.
33 posted on 07/09/2002 8:57:07 PM PDT by Nuke'm Glowing
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To: U_Thavage_U
Nope. Sandbagged M2 "Ma duece" .50 cal. machine gun with a 8X Unertl scope fired single shot. The first shot hit the kid's bicycle front wheel hub and the second hit him in the chest.
34 posted on 07/09/2002 9:13:58 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5
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To: gonzo
Bumper sticker I saw:

EVERYTHING I NEED TO KNOW I LEARNED AT SNIPER SCHOOL.

35 posted on 07/09/2002 9:44:48 PM PDT by Travis McGee
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To: patton; Squantos
"kicked the thing"

(Not recommended.)

36 posted on 07/09/2002 9:46:23 PM PDT by Travis McGee
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To: Shooter 2.5; patton; wardaddy; harpseal
If Carlos Hathcock was able to use the modern high speed low drag gear in clear mountain terrain, he'd have done better by a mile....literally.
37 posted on 07/09/2002 9:49:58 PM PDT by Travis McGee
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To: Travis McGee
Yeah, but you gotta admit its funny. Like, when I was in FRG, anybody with a truck garden had EOD on speed dial.
38 posted on 07/09/2002 9:59:36 PM PDT by patton
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To: Clive; Darth Sidious; Senator_Palpatine
Nice shot kid that was one in a million.
39 posted on 07/09/2002 10:20:03 PM PDT by weikel
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To: patton; AAABEST; Travis McGee; harpseal; pocat; wardaddy; SLB
It's the canadians story and they can tell it like they want but my BS flag is at full mast on this one. Real snipers don't brag about their shots as I have encountered em.

Just my opinion of course.

Stay Safe ya'll :o)

40 posted on 07/09/2002 10:44:28 PM PDT by Squantos
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