Posted on 06/28/2002 5:26:09 AM PDT by McGruff
Yesterday (6/27/2002)Jim Quinn had an interview with David Shippers and Janya Davis concerning John Doe #2 OKC Middle eastern terrorist cover-up.
It's now available in his archives. Go to the link above and click on show archives and 6/27/2002. It’s available in multiple formats. Segment starts 1 hour and 30 mins into the broadcast.
It's definitely worth listening.
09/19/1997
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A geophysicist said Thursday it cannot be determined from seismic readings if more than one bomb destroyed the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building.
Raymon Brown, a scientist at the Oklahoma Geological Survey on the University of Oklahoma campus, said the seismic recordings are inconclusive. Brown appeared Thursday before an Oklahoma County grand jury investigating a larger bombing conspiracy.
"There's no evidence in the bomb signals for any additional charges," Brown told reporters.
The bombing was recorded on seismographs at the Omniplex Science Museum, about four miles northeast of the federal building, and at the Oklahoma Geological Survey site, about 16 miles southeast.
Multiple-bomb theorists have pointed to the presence of two signals - seconds apart - on each seismograph as proof of their claim.
Timothy McVeigh, 29, was convicted June 2 of destroying the Murrah Building with a massive truck bomb. The explosion resulted in 168 deaths. McVeigh has been sentenced to die. His Army friend, Terry Nichols, 42, is scheduled for trial Sept. 29 in Denver.
Federal prosecutors presented evidence at McVeigh's trial that a single bomb of fertilizer and racing fuel blew up the building.
Seismographs recorded two separate signals on the day of the April 19, 1995, bombing.
Brown said the number of recorded signals complicated the situation.
"The question remains just exactly what those signals represents," Brown said. "In geophyscial terms, there are too many possible explanations."
Brown was previously quoted in media reports saying the simplest explanation for the recordings was another bomb. On Thursday, he told reporters it can't be determined from the recordings whether more than one explosion occurred.
Brown said Thursday that he has never changed his story and that initial media reports misrepresented his findings.
"I had difficulty in explaining myself," he said. "This is technical, and I had a hard time explaining it."
Brown said two pulses were recorded after the truck bomb, but what caused them cannot be explained.
Also appearing before the grand jury Thursday was Jayna Davis, a former reporter for KFOR-TV in Oklahoma City.
In the weeks after the bombing, Davis aired reports from unidentified witnesses who said they saw McVeigh with another man days before the bombing in an Oklahoma City bar. Davis claims another witness identified the same man in a brown Chevy truck speeding away from downtown Oklahoma City minutes after the bombing.
Davis told The Oklahoman before her grand jury appearance that those witnesses wanted her to share their information with Oklahoma County prosecutors.
She said she gave prosecutors the information in January but did not reveal the witnesses' identities. Davis said prosecutors never contacted her before she received a subpoena to appear before the grand jury.
The witnesses want to cooperate with the grand jury, but not before they are guaranteed police protection, Davis said. They also want prosecutors "to express a legitimate interest" in pursuing indictments against the suspects they can identify, she said.
Davis said some of the witnesses have received death threats and apparent attempts on their lives, but she would not elaborate.
Davis testified for nearly three hours but would not comment as she left the grand jury.
Her attorney, Tim McCoy, said, "The only thing we can say at this time is that in accordance with the court order that was given a few days ago, she did not reveal any of her confidential sources. And we have been admonished not to make any further statements."
Davis is expected to return today to finish her testimony. Grand jurors also may hear from another witness before recessing until Oct. 6.
State Rep. Charles Key, R-Oklahoma City, and the late Glenn Wilburn, who lost two grandsons in the bombing, led the effort to impanel the grand jury. Key contends the federal government had prior knowledge about the bombing and hid the identity of others involved.
The witnesses want to cooperate with the grand jury, but not before they are guaranteed police protection, Davis said. They also want prosecutors "to express a legitimate interest" in pursuing indictments against the suspects they can identify, she said.
Davis said some of the witnesses have received death threats and apparent attempts on their lives, but she would not elaborate.
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Maybe Jayna Davis is simply a realist.
Prosecuting Clinton, Reno, and Freeh for the Clinton Adinistration directed cover up of the Middle Eastern connection is not going to happen.
I guess a realist would understand that prosecuting the Middle Eastern terrorists directly involved is the best you could hope for. Otherwise, you get nothing.
Grand Jury Says No To Conspiracy Theory
The grand jury said that after hearing 117 witnesses and examining thousands of exhibits, "we can state with assurance that we do not believe that the federal government had prior knowledge that this horrible terrorist attack was going to happen
Prior knowledge was just one of the theories the grand jurors investigated and debunked. They found no credible evidence that the bombing was linked to white supremacists or foreign terrorists and they found no additional conspirators.
We cannot affirmatively state that absolutely no one else was involved in the bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building. However we have not been presented with or uncovered information sufficient to indict any additional conspirators
We cannot affirmatively state that absolutely no one else was involved in the bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building. However we have not been presented with or uncovered information sufficient to indict any additional conspirators
I guess the fix was in before it started. How could they indict without hearing the eye witnesses that saw the additional conspirators. Amazing.
Her attorney selected his words carefully. He could have said, "We have some evidence of prior warnings but not adequate enough to prevent the bombing." He chose the spin which put his client in the best light IMHO.
Those two words are also in your reply #63 (sufficient & credible).
I agree with your assessment in #64 too honway.
Dodge City - Unanswered questions about the Oklahoma bombing
By Jim Crogan LA Weekly
http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/laweekly/20020703/lo/36265_1.html
“Davis obtained the confidential warnings from Yossef Bodansky, the executive director of the House Republican task force. "I got this material in late May of 1996," Davis says. Bodansky gave her permission to use the alerts in her reports. But then he called back and asked Davis not to air them. "He said the issue had gotten too hot, and no one wanted to deal with it. So I honored his request" at the time, she says. The warnings were never publicized.”
Davis told me in 1996 that she kept the details of the official warning notice from attorney Jones who she said knew she had the details and wanted her subpoenaed. A conference was held in Judge Matsch chambers when Jones tried unsuccessfully to have Jayna Davis subpoenaed.
Davis knew the details of the memo when she had her prepared statement read outside of the OKC County Grand Jury stating that the government did not have “sufficient” warning to stop the Murrah bombing. Yet her prepared statement never revealed the prior warning notice and I wonder if the grand jury was ever told by Davis about it..
The prior warning notice from Bodansky with the Murrah building listed as a target does provide a basis along with other evidence to believe that the government may have been able to stop the Murrah bombing. But as important is the fact that the government did use the notice to forewarn the FBI, Federal Judges and US Marshals and the BATF before the bombing but did not warn the people who were killed in the day care center and in the Social Security office.
To me the government as a minimum is guilty of criminal negligence in this case since they warned Federal officials but not citizens in the Murrah building. Davis knew from me Charles Key and William Jasper that this was an issue before she testified before the OK County grand jury.
I personally find what Davis did to withhold this information for so many years when many urged her to release it as morally distasteful and indefensible. I hope she asks God and the citizens of Oklahoma and America for forgiveness for withholding the details of the memo.
In my opinion Davis is using Jim Crogan in the above article reference to come up with an alibi to hide behind Bodansky, Bodansky should have revealed details of the memo years ago, but so should have Davis in my opinion. Davis told me on several occasions she had working FOR a government official sometime between 1996 to mid 1997. and she repeated she was still working for the same official well into 1999. IF this official was Bodansky then maybe it would explain why Davis was reluctant to reveal the details of the memo and risk possible employment or income.
And I take note of the fact that this alibi was written by Crogan for Davis after I publicly revealed these details and criticized her on this very thread almost five day before Crogan’s article came out. My guess is that Crogan really has not been told the complete story by Davis otherwise he may have written his story differently.
Anyway, he's got his views, and writing them for a column.
Sounds like you experts had some clashes. I'd be surprised if you didn't. It's such an important (and tense) issue I would hope these disputes can subside or be forgotten. Not that you have to love each other, or work together, but keep your eyes on the prize.
Thanks for the great work as always, OKCSubmariner. :)
In that book, undercover informant Carol Howe warned her BATF agent that something was up, that McVeigh had left word at Elohim City for Andy the German. Yet the FBI would not raid Elohim City, and Andreas Carl Strassmeier left for Germany without being questioned.
The role of Dennis Mahon is introduced in the book as well.
Are you in contact with James Patterson of the Indianapolis Star?
Surely the lies of the OKC BATF unit that they were at Murrah and "assisted in the rescue" after "breaking out of an elevator" have been debunked.
The waitress who witnessed McVeigh and Strassmeier reconnoitering targets "committed suicide" per Evans-Pritchard.
Davis' insistent questioning of you vis a vis "bad habits" flat stinks.
Sounds as though she was annoyed that a bloodhound was blowing her cover.
Smells like Fed spirit.
The very few federal agents that do not have the us vs. them mindset are kept at the lowest levels and they're not the ones I fault. But the ones who've demonstrated their arrogant abuse of position are clearly the Enemy of the People. And that needs to be the outcome of this exposure.
If Bush and his lackies Ashcroft and Mueller actually wanted to effect change, they'd publically sacrifice some of the Top Level management at both the CIA and the FBI. That's just basic "turnaround management".
It's obvious they don't want it changed. So they ARE the enemy of the people.
Sure doesn't seem as though they want it changed.
Well, I did a little research and found that Jayna Davis did try to go public with the "prior warning" way back in May of 2001 on The O'Reilly Factor show. It seems that Bill O'Reilly didn't want to discuss it for some reason, or perhaps he failed to realized the significance of what Jayna was saying. Regardless of the reasoning behind it, it's evident that Jayna got cut off and was not allowed to finish. The transcript of that very public television show is posted word-for-word below.
I'm not expecting any replies on this. It just needed to be on the record to show that, like most things in life, there are two sides to this issue.
Not for commercial use. Solely to be used for the educational purposes of research and open discussion.
Fox News Network
The O'Reilly Factor
May 14, 2001, Monday
Unresolved Problem: Has the FBI Ignored Information About the OKCBombing?
GUESTS: Jayna Davis
BYLINE: Bill O'Reilly
O'REILLY: In the "Unresolved Problem" segment tonight, investigative reporter Jayna Davis told us a few weeks ago that she tried to deliver information to the FBI about others involved in the Oklahoma City bombing but was rebuffed. Ms. Davis joins us now for an update from Oklahoma City.
Well, we finally got the FBI to tell us why they didn't take your stuff, Jayna, and they said they didn't want to have it on file so that they would have to turn it over to McVeigh and Nichols' attorneys in discovery because they couldn't check out what you said, and that seemed to make sense to me. Does it make sense to you?JAYNA DAVIS, FORMER KFOR INVESTIGATIVE REPORTER: Absolutely not. This was turned over initially in June of 1995 and I made several attempts in the following months, in the spring and summer of '95, to share this information with the FBI and they were very interested initially and I was talking to an FBI agent regularly in May and June of 1995. So I don't understand why it's...
O'REILLY: Yeah, but they came to the conclusion if we take information from this woman and we haven't checked it out and McVeigh and Nichols' attorneys want it, we have to turn it over to them and that's going to hurt our prosecution.
DAVIS: Yes, but they lost interest, Bill. In September and -- I'm sorry, in the spring and summer of '95. I went back to them in September of '97 to turn it over. But they had plenty of time between the spring and summer of '95 and September of '97 when I returned.
O'REILLY: To check your story out.
DAVIS: Yes, they did.
O'REILLY: Right. Well, they didn't want to do that, obviously. All right, now, you believe that there's a Middle Eastern connection here to McVeigh and Nichols. You also believe that Osama bin Laden's money may have been involved here. Briefly, tell the audience what you think happened.
DAVIS: I believe that a Arab terrorist cell operating in the heart of Oklahoma City funded and operated and backed by Osama bin Laden acted in collusion with Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols and I have 24 sworn witness affidavits to back that up from witnesses who saw Arab men in the presence of these two prime suspects, and now the bombing convicts, at various stages of the bombing plot.
O'REILLY: All right, now, your own station has kind of turned on you and, you know, discredited you. Why did they do that? You used to work for KFOR TV in Oklahoma City. Why did that station turn on you?
DAVIS: They actually didn't turn on me.
O'REILLY: Well, they're suing you, I think, aren't they?
DAVIS: No, they are not. No. The station was sold...
O'REILLY: The lawsuit was eventually thrown out by the judge. OK.
DAVIS: Yes, it was. Yes, it was.
O'REILLY: Right. And so they did but they don't like you, Jayna, you know that.
DAVIS: Well, to better explain it, when I left the station in the fall of 1997 I took with me all the confidential witness statements and informed station management that I had it in my possession. The "New York Times" purchased KFOR Television some time in the summer of '96 and when I left in the winter of '97, I informed them that I took my confidential witness statements. They sued me for those statements.
O'REILLY: Why? Why did they do that?
DAVIS: I don't understand. They were interested in the material and they said I needed to turn it over. However, I just wanted from them a signed release that they wouldn't publish those statements without the express written consent of the witnesses and the judge upheld my first...
O'REILLY: So you wanted to protect your sources is what you wanted to do?
DAVIS: Yes, I did. I wanted to protect my sources.
O'REILLY: OK, so you...
DAVIS: As I had promised.
O'REILLY: I asked you this question the first time around. We have a minute left so I'm going to ask you again. Do you have any idea why the FBI wouldn't want full disclosure, if your theory is correct, of Middle Eastern involvement?
DAVIS: I cannot speculate. I cannot get into the mind of the FBI. I, as I told you before, that is a question for the former attorney general and for the people in the Department of Justice that were in a position to make the decision whether or not they would take this evidence and thoroughly investigate it.
O'REILLY: All right, do you think, are you going to take this any further? You got anything else down the road that you can put pressure on them?
DAVIS: Well, I have direct knowledge of a prior warning that was issued on February 27th of 1995 that contained the language that there would be an Iran-sponsored Islamic attack and the first potential target was Washington, D.C., the White House and Congress and I don't believe that that information was turned over to the Nichols defense team or the McVeigh defense team. I know that for a fact.
O'REILLY: All right, Jayna, well, stay on the case and we appreciate the update. Thank you very much.
And we'll be right back with more of THE FACTOR in a moment.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
I always did hate TV commercials.
http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/okc/stories/execution.intro.html
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