Posted on 06/23/2002 10:25:55 AM PDT by redrock
"This is free ground. All the way from here to the Pacific Ocean. No man has to bow. No man born to royalty. Here we judge you by what you do, not by who your father was. Here you can be something. Here's a place to build a home. It isn't the land--there's always more land. It's the idea that we all have value, you and me, we're worth something more than the dirt. I never saw dirt I'd die for, but I'm not asking you to come join us and fight for dirt. What we're all fighting for, in the end, is each other."
What is it that you believe???
A real question....since so many times on this forum, and others, the Republican 'mantra' has become a simple one.
Defeat the Democrats..whatever the cost..the Democrats are the enemy...(sort of Orwellian in it's simplicity)..repeated time after time...and anyone who dares to ask questions of George Bush's policies and actions is loudly shouted down.
But here's a 'news flash' for ya.......It may be that the Democratic Senators...Representitives.....leaders ARE the enemy of maintaining a Constitutional Republic.
But...the average member of the Democratic Party...is not.
The average member of the Democratic Party is just brainwashed..(for want of a better word)...
Just like the average member of the Republican Party is in danger of becoming.
"This is a party, this Republican Party, a Party for free men, not for blind followers, and not for conformists. "
So..I'll ask my very simple questions once again......
And Republicans who wish to rant and rave about 'third party' this or that...go right ahead.
But George W. Bush barely won the last election.....
You NEED staunch conservatives ( nowadays I guess we would be considered 'radical'.....) to help re-elect him....and others of the party..
CONVINCE us.........that at a certain point you will be willing to fight for 'old time values'.....
CONVINCE us ...that you have not become slavish followers of GWB...in much the same way as some did with Clinton....that you will ask the 'hard questions' (and demand the answers).
CONVINCE us.......and you will not do so by the constant dismissal of our very real concerns.
CONVINCE us.......
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So where do we 'draw the line'????
Should we elect rapists or murderers...if they are members of the Republican Party..and could 'help retake the Senate'???
At what point do you say 'this far and no further'???
Must every single American 'prostitute' themselves in order for one political party (one which on CLOSE examination is no different than the other one) to 'control' government???
I have certain values and beliefs...based upon my Belief in God.
Should I just throw those Beliefs and Values away...and close my eyes....just so the Republicans can win???
The basis of this Nation is a hardcore belief that the values and ideals (sorry to use that word..ideals...seems that word anymore has the same effect on Republicans as a Cross does to evil) that founded this Nation are important....
redrock
Actually what I am reading on this thread and others is not that we need to compromise on important issues, but rather there is only ONE real important issue.
Principles be damned, the only issue is the aquisition and maintenance of political power.
All those campaign issues are just that, only good for the campaigns. "Once we have power, we can do whatever we please", seems to be the political realities we are being encouraged to adopt.
Well my friend, I am not part of that "we" any longer. I liked our principled role as "loyal opposition" much better than I "selling principle" for power.
It looks as if the close numbers in the last Presidential Election are being used to make conservatism look more like liberalism and therefore get a larger base of support. The problem is and many here, without stating it, are having a hard time defining what they support, other than getting and keeping office.
"As long as a hundred of us remain alive we will never be subject to tyrannical domination, because it is not for glory or for riches or honours that we fight, but for freedom alone which no worthy man loses except with his life."
Taken from the “Declaration of Arbroath” 1320
It is hot here and I'm hella thirsty. Think I'll go for a beer, shoot some pool and make some (illegal gambling) money.
I'm sure this thread will still be going strong when I get back. cya later
Freedom Is Worth Fighting For !!
Molon Labe !!
~b~
redrock
P.S....more can be fround HERE
But...how to change the system???
Except by voting with our hearts and our souls....
redrock
p.s. Really nice to 'see' ya!!!!!
redrock
Remember this...it's a very good point.
redrock
p.s...BTW..your old man was pretty much like mine.
One of my main beefs...about the current crop of 'conservative' politicians.
redrock
Heinlein was/is the best.
redrock
From the wishy washy moderate to the strict Constitutionalist the only common ground we have is we no longer have the luxury of voting what we stand for but AGAINST that which is our common enemy. As much as this sucks, this is the way it is. You could have 4,000 threads trying to figure out what we have in common and they'll all end up like this one - no common ground. Until we all see that we all have a common enemy, that is our common ground.
I'd list all 78 million of these people, but I must go to bed soon...
HA!
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