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"THAT which you believe"---"An open letter to Republicans"
6/23/02 | redrock

Posted on 06/23/2002 10:25:55 AM PDT by redrock

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To: blackie
You are full of sh*t, It's time to wipe.
401 posted on 06/25/2002 1:28:01 PM PDT by gunshy
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To: gunshy
Move your tongue and I will... :o)

Freedom Is Worth Fighting For !!

Molon Labe !!

402 posted on 06/25/2002 6:02:39 PM PDT by blackie
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To: Amerigomag
First off I'm not a "Bushbot'. I do criticize Bush and the Republican Party. I do put my money where my mouth is and my time. I belive the party can be better and that I can make it better ( I did as you asked and gave suggestions for such). You are not going to get a candidate to run against Bush and win, so what are you going to do, wine and nash your teeth. Or maybe you'll protest vote, that'll work, I mean when that democrat gets into office and destroys your rights well I guess those evil Republicans will really learn.

I'm not a broken glass Republican but I will not get Democrats elected to office if I can possibly help it. If you don't like this well fine I hope you like Socialism. I know a lot of people say that by electing Republicans all were doing is getting there more slowly, well fine better slow than fast and maybe by slowing things down we'll finally get another Reagan. We will not get the freedoms we want by putting Democrats in office by either voting third party or omitting our vote.

If you have a suggestion I would be happy to hear it. You asked me for mine and I followed you link and gave it. I would hope for the same curtasie.

403 posted on 06/25/2002 8:29:27 PM PDT by tricky_k_1972
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To: blackie
bump
404 posted on 06/25/2002 8:56:02 PM PDT by tricky_k_1972
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To: philman_36
You're entitled to your opinion, I'm entitled to mine. We are not all perfect. Thanks for your opinions. This was a good thread with a good discourse among many people.
405 posted on 06/25/2002 10:38:12 PM PDT by broomhilda
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To: Luis Gonzalez
I don't know of any such posts...but then I didn't champion any of those candidates....well...Alan Keyes somewhat.

I voted for Howard Phillips.....more for the fact that he actually showed up at Jarbidge...and I was very impressed with how he talked and handled himself...not to mention that I was VERY impressed that when I handed him a shovel...he knew how to use it...

I agree with you on this point tho...

redrock

406 posted on 06/25/2002 11:33:00 PM PDT by redrock
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To: Luis Gonzalez
There is NO ... none, nada, zilch, zero, bupkiss post, such as you have asked for / described. LOL
407 posted on 06/25/2002 11:39:41 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Jethro Tull
"...vote for me, because I'm not them."

What this one statement says about the state of our Nation...and the message we are sending our children...is truly sad.

We need to change that.......

redrock

408 posted on 06/25/2002 11:43:40 PM PDT by redrock
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To: First_Salute
Douglas Southall Freeman is one of my favorite Historians.....classically trained but with a sharp eye for the details that bring who he's writing about to life.

redrock

409 posted on 06/25/2002 11:46:34 PM PDT by redrock
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To: fporretto
Excellent post.

...and I couldn't agree more.

redrock

410 posted on 06/25/2002 11:55:25 PM PDT by redrock
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To: Amerigomag
I will totally agree with all of those points!!!!

(expecially the part about the lawyers...)

redrock

411 posted on 06/26/2002 12:02:20 AM PDT by redrock
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To: nopardons
There is NO ... none, nada, zilch, zero, bupkiss post, such as you have asked for / described. LOL

I think I did say I did not agree with a certain third party canidate on every issue of that party though I did vote for him. I have listened to a lot of persons critize that canidate though without as much as ever taking a moment of their time to actually read where he stands and more important recognizing the work he did for the conservative movement as a whole especially the GOP. I at least listened to and more important read where Bush stood on issues as well other canidates before I made my decession.

When and if I critize or question Bush or anyone else it is after they state their position. Some issues of certain canidates if you will be honest on this last POTUS election were very distorted. Some as well were giving very misleading pretenses that certain canidates endorsed conservative positions like the Second Ammendment when if they had taken the time to read the canidates stance stated otherwise.

I did not vote for a canidate POTUS or otherwise just because that person was the choice of a political party. Can you claim the same? I followed the races and stands on issues on all but the second rouge reform party canidate.

The GOP for the second time in a roll rather than address concerns common to the three Conservative third parties instead decided to yet once again push leftward. And like in 1996 it cost them seats and nearly the White House. Each party has it's own strenghts and weaknesses. None are the perfect party not the one you voted for nor the ones I voted for.

Political Parties unless held in check by the voter become Safety Dens for tyrants and a retirement insurance for the same. When love of party excedes the love of nation and defense of a constitutional it is a recipe for the fall of a free nation. No person, no canidate, no party, no office, is above the scrunity of those elected and appointed offices of this nation the founders gave us. That includes Kennedy, Clinton, Bush, Reagan, Phllips, Browne, PJB, or anyone else who was elected or has ran for public office.

To remain silent when wrongs are committed or endorsed by any of these is to give your consent to that wrong. What standards you ever allpied to Clinton must apply to Bush as well. The same applies to the house and senate even down to local county offices. You can't excuse wrongs just because it's your persons or party doing the wrong. If a policy was wrong when Clinton was in office it's wrong with anyone else as well in office.

If your Republican governor is doing wrong and you support him then you are wrong as well. I sincerly wish the Tennessee GOP elected office holders would stop supporting the tyranny of Don Sundquist-R. When such wrongs as this go unpunished by the party then the party is a co-conspirator in the tyranny as well. Such actions as this are unexcusable. Party loyality has to end when it walks on a the nations or states constitution. Our founders demanded as much.

412 posted on 06/26/2002 1:17:16 AM PDT by cva66snipe
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To: broomhilda
You're entitled to your opinion, I'm entitled to mine.
Very true.
We are not all perfect.
No, we're not all perfect, nor have I ever claimed to be so either because I know I'm not. I personally strive at being correct myself, just not "politically correct".
Thanks for your opinions.
And thanks for yours. I know a little more about you than I did before and that is never a bad thing.
This was a good thread with a good discourse among many people.
Such is the way of FR, usually.
413 posted on 06/26/2002 4:13:45 AM PDT by philman_36
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To: exodus

Thank you for reminding me of that. When I was agonizing over whether to really vote for Perot, the thing I kept coming back to was that "We, the People" could not fail to turn out a politician who had made that explicit a promise, and then broken it. The message we would be sending to other politicians was that we didn't care if they said one thing and did another, and I saw that as a long-term cancerous thing that we just couldn't afford to do. So in the end, I did vote for Perot. I did not imagine that Perot would win, but I did want to see Bush lose, as a message to other politicians that people really do remember your promises and will take it out on you if you break them.

Was eight years of Clinton worth that? I had never thought so, but your note makes me think that maybe some good did come of it after all.

414 posted on 06/26/2002 3:15:15 PM PDT by Nick Danger
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To: tricky_k_1972
Read my reply please.

I'll summerize.

Try to find a conservative to run against 43 in the primaries and let the blood flow. 43 deserves no worse.

If we fail to unseat 43 in the spring we support him in the fall.

415 posted on 06/26/2002 3:27:02 PM PDT by Amerigomag
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To: philman_36
I'm glad we had the chance to "converse" on this thread. I have made my share of mistakes so I am not quick to sit in judgement of others. Maybe we will be able to agree on something in the future. One never knows where these discourses take us. Good night and God bless.
416 posted on 06/26/2002 10:59:09 PM PDT by broomhilda
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To: Amerigomag
That is the best proposal I've heard on this thread so far. It dosen't get Democrats elected and it strives to make the party better. I agree whole heartedly that we need to show the Republicans in the Primaries that we don't just vote for the "Lead" cannidate. I think this happened with GWB and McPain. Mcain scarred Bush strait to Conservative beliefs.

Thank you for your response.

417 posted on 06/29/2002 1:32:09 PM PDT by tricky_k_1972
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