Posted on 06/23/2002 10:25:55 AM PDT by redrock
"This is free ground. All the way from here to the Pacific Ocean. No man has to bow. No man born to royalty. Here we judge you by what you do, not by who your father was. Here you can be something. Here's a place to build a home. It isn't the land--there's always more land. It's the idea that we all have value, you and me, we're worth something more than the dirt. I never saw dirt I'd die for, but I'm not asking you to come join us and fight for dirt. What we're all fighting for, in the end, is each other."
What is it that you believe???
A real question....since so many times on this forum, and others, the Republican 'mantra' has become a simple one.
Defeat the Democrats..whatever the cost..the Democrats are the enemy...(sort of Orwellian in it's simplicity)..repeated time after time...and anyone who dares to ask questions of George Bush's policies and actions is loudly shouted down.
But here's a 'news flash' for ya.......It may be that the Democratic Senators...Representitives.....leaders ARE the enemy of maintaining a Constitutional Republic.
But...the average member of the Democratic Party...is not.
The average member of the Democratic Party is just brainwashed..(for want of a better word)...
Just like the average member of the Republican Party is in danger of becoming.
"This is a party, this Republican Party, a Party for free men, not for blind followers, and not for conformists. "
So..I'll ask my very simple questions once again......
And Republicans who wish to rant and rave about 'third party' this or that...go right ahead.
But George W. Bush barely won the last election.....
You NEED staunch conservatives ( nowadays I guess we would be considered 'radical'.....) to help re-elect him....and others of the party..
CONVINCE us.........that at a certain point you will be willing to fight for 'old time values'.....
CONVINCE us ...that you have not become slavish followers of GWB...in much the same way as some did with Clinton....that you will ask the 'hard questions' (and demand the answers).
CONVINCE us.......and you will not do so by the constant dismissal of our very real concerns.
CONVINCE us.......
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So where do we 'draw the line'????
Should we elect rapists or murderers...if they are members of the Republican Party..and could 'help retake the Senate'???
At what point do you say 'this far and no further'???
Must every single American 'prostitute' themselves in order for one political party (one which on CLOSE examination is no different than the other one) to 'control' government???
I have certain values and beliefs...based upon my Belief in God.
Should I just throw those Beliefs and Values away...and close my eyes....just so the Republicans can win???
The basis of this Nation is a hardcore belief that the values and ideals (sorry to use that word..ideals...seems that word anymore has the same effect on Republicans as a Cross does to evil) that founded this Nation are important....
Freedom Is Worth Fighting For !!
Molon Labe !!
I'm not a broken glass Republican but I will not get Democrats elected to office if I can possibly help it. If you don't like this well fine I hope you like Socialism. I know a lot of people say that by electing Republicans all were doing is getting there more slowly, well fine better slow than fast and maybe by slowing things down we'll finally get another Reagan. We will not get the freedoms we want by putting Democrats in office by either voting third party or omitting our vote.
If you have a suggestion I would be happy to hear it. You asked me for mine and I followed you link and gave it. I would hope for the same curtasie.
I voted for Howard Phillips.....more for the fact that he actually showed up at Jarbidge...and I was very impressed with how he talked and handled himself...not to mention that I was VERY impressed that when I handed him a shovel...he knew how to use it...
I agree with you on this point tho...
redrock
What this one statement says about the state of our Nation...and the message we are sending our children...is truly sad.
We need to change that.......
redrock
redrock
...and I couldn't agree more.
redrock
(expecially the part about the lawyers...)
redrock
I think I did say I did not agree with a certain third party canidate on every issue of that party though I did vote for him. I have listened to a lot of persons critize that canidate though without as much as ever taking a moment of their time to actually read where he stands and more important recognizing the work he did for the conservative movement as a whole especially the GOP. I at least listened to and more important read where Bush stood on issues as well other canidates before I made my decession.
When and if I critize or question Bush or anyone else it is after they state their position. Some issues of certain canidates if you will be honest on this last POTUS election were very distorted. Some as well were giving very misleading pretenses that certain canidates endorsed conservative positions like the Second Ammendment when if they had taken the time to read the canidates stance stated otherwise.
I did not vote for a canidate POTUS or otherwise just because that person was the choice of a political party. Can you claim the same? I followed the races and stands on issues on all but the second rouge reform party canidate.
The GOP for the second time in a roll rather than address concerns common to the three Conservative third parties instead decided to yet once again push leftward. And like in 1996 it cost them seats and nearly the White House. Each party has it's own strenghts and weaknesses. None are the perfect party not the one you voted for nor the ones I voted for.
Political Parties unless held in check by the voter become Safety Dens for tyrants and a retirement insurance for the same. When love of party excedes the love of nation and defense of a constitutional it is a recipe for the fall of a free nation. No person, no canidate, no party, no office, is above the scrunity of those elected and appointed offices of this nation the founders gave us. That includes Kennedy, Clinton, Bush, Reagan, Phllips, Browne, PJB, or anyone else who was elected or has ran for public office.
To remain silent when wrongs are committed or endorsed by any of these is to give your consent to that wrong. What standards you ever allpied to Clinton must apply to Bush as well. The same applies to the house and senate even down to local county offices. You can't excuse wrongs just because it's your persons or party doing the wrong. If a policy was wrong when Clinton was in office it's wrong with anyone else as well in office.
If your Republican governor is doing wrong and you support him then you are wrong as well. I sincerly wish the Tennessee GOP elected office holders would stop supporting the tyranny of Don Sundquist-R. When such wrongs as this go unpunished by the party then the party is a co-conspirator in the tyranny as well. Such actions as this are unexcusable. Party loyality has to end when it walks on a the nations or states constitution. Our founders demanded as much.
The Republican Party got the message. Because of that message, we had the "Contract with America," and controlled both houses of Congress.
Thank you for reminding me of that. When I was agonizing over whether to really vote for Perot, the thing I kept coming back to was that "We, the People" could not fail to turn out a politician who had made that explicit a promise, and then broken it. The message we would be sending to other politicians was that we didn't care if they said one thing and did another, and I saw that as a long-term cancerous thing that we just couldn't afford to do. So in the end, I did vote for Perot. I did not imagine that Perot would win, but I did want to see Bush lose, as a message to other politicians that people really do remember your promises and will take it out on you if you break them.
Was eight years of Clinton worth that? I had never thought so, but your note makes me think that maybe some good did come of it after all.
I'll summerize.
Try to find a conservative to run against 43 in the primaries and let the blood flow. 43 deserves no worse.
If we fail to unseat 43 in the spring we support him in the fall.
Thank you for your response.
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