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FBI investigating Las Vegas man's claim he overheard attack threat
YAHOO NEWS ^ | Fri Jun 21,12:15 AM ET | By KEN RITTER, Associated Press Writer

Posted on 06/21/2002 5:09:36 AM PDT by RaceBannon

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FBI investigating Las Vegas man's claim he overheard attack threat
Fri Jun 21,12:15 AM ET

By KEN RITTER, Associated Press Writer

LAS VEGAS - The FBI ( news - web sites) said it is investigating a Nevada man's claim that he picked up a conversation in Arabic on his cell phone during which someone said there would be a "hit" on the "day of freedom."

"We've initiated a full-scale investigation to determine if this constitutes a threat, and if so, what kind of threat," said FBI Special Agent Daron Borst in Las Vegas on Thursday.

Borst said agents have interviewed the man who reported the conversation, Michael Hamdan, and planned to question him again Friday.

Hamdan, 54, said he's a naturalized U.S. citizen who was born in Lebanon and speaks Arabic.

Hamdan said he was trying to call his wife on his cell phone Saturday when he heard Arabic voices.

"They said in Arabic, not even a word of English, 'We are in the city of corruption, the city of prostitution, the city of gambling, the city of unbelievers,'" Hamdan told The Associated Press late Thursday. '"We are going to hit them on the day of freedom.'"

Hamdan said the call lasted about 90 seconds before the line went dead. He said he believes the men were talking about July Fourth.

"I was frozen, absolutely cold," Hamdan said. "I was sweating. I couldn't believe what I heard."

Hamdan said he reported what he heard to the FBI early Sunday morning.

Hamdan, who is married and has two children, described himself as a semiretired businessman. He said he moved to the United States in 1976.

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KEYWORDS: lasvegas; terrorism
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To: LikeLight
this former yonkers chick is nervous about going on vacation next weekend, cape cod, now i don't want to go i keep thinking i won't be able to get back home to PA. its not like i go on vacation and relax all the time either. geez..............
101 posted on 06/21/2002 10:36:08 AM PDT by angcat
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To: Poohbah
This happens. The Sprint network, at least, is locally (Silicon Valley) notorious for exactly this kind of thing.

I know cell phone users who log maybe 200 minutes a week and experience this every other day. It happens before dialing begins, and not during conversations.

AT&T is not subject to this sort of thing, again speaking for the area.

The other matters (he is Arabic, the conversation was in Arabic, etc.) may be too coincidental for comfort, but his report cannot be dismissed out of hand as a matter of technology.

*** jiggyboy registered since June 21, 2002 ***

Medium-term lurker (I know about "shower on" but not about "moose limbs"), first time poster. Indeed, I have registered specifically for this reason -- to comment on this matter of technology. My information can be proven or disproven quickly enough by interested posters regardless of my "newbie" status. (I witness both sides of the "appeal to authority" fallacy daily on FR.)
102 posted on 06/21/2002 10:42:45 AM PDT by jiggyboy
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To: livius
Was there any place Mohammed Atta DIDN'T meet with these guys? I live in Florida, and he sure seems to have gotten around both this state and the entire country. Not to mention Prague, Madrid, etc.

Wander if there's a way to get hold of his Frequent Flyer miles ;-)

103 posted on 06/21/2002 10:45:12 AM PDT by varon
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To: jiggyboy
"moose limbs" is easy to get: say it aloud, and think of the followers of Mohammed.

As for cross-talk: it's rare in Vegas, according to my deep-cover sources there. That cross-talk in Arabic would just happen to hit the phone of one of the few folks in Vegas that could understand it is way beyond my comfort zone.

104 posted on 06/21/2002 10:47:28 AM PDT by Poohbah
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To: Dog Gone
>>his seems pretty unlikely to me. A serious plan to hit Las Vegas in a couple of weeks would be in its final stages, and not something that would need to be discussed in this manner on a cell phone.

This guy may have heard this conversation, but if he did, it wouldn't have been al-Qaida. Possibly it's something planned by some two-bit terrorist wannabe.<<

OR:

(just a theory) The plan has been thoroughly laid out and is ready to be implemented, and the phone call was made simply to inform another member of al Quaida. Not that hard to believe.

105 posted on 06/21/2002 11:01:39 AM PDT by SerpentDove
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To: SerpentDove
Or it could just be word on the street. 9/11 seemed to known of everywhere Arabic was spoken, just not inside the FBI building.
106 posted on 06/21/2002 11:09:28 AM PDT by eno_
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To: SerpentDove
The plan has been thoroughly laid out and is ready to be implemented, and the phone call was made simply to inform another member of al Quaida. Not that hard to believe.

Al-Qaeda is effective because they have good OPSEC. That means NOT discussing stuff this explicitly over a cell phone--they'd just say something like "Yo, Abdul, your car's fixed. Pick it up at the shop."

This reads more like a bad piece of fiction (a ripoff of Sorry, Wrong Number, to be exact).

And I still find it amazing that this piece of crosstalk JUST happened to hit the phone of a guy who speaks Arabic, and that it was understandable.

My paranoid side says that the guy is deliberately inserting a false alarm to distract or decoy law enforcement.

107 posted on 06/21/2002 11:10:47 AM PDT by Poohbah
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To: Publius6961
"That describes just about every city in the blue zone."

Yes, this could be any city in the blue zone and not necessarily Vegas. The District of Columbia is much more corrupt than Vegas. In Las Vegas, everything is just what it appears to be and nobody is trying to deceive you (except the occasional pit boss who slips one of the aces into his shirt pocket.) D.C on the other hand, is the home of deception and ruthless political "blood sport". I'd rather be in Vegas any day.

108 posted on 06/21/2002 11:19:38 AM PDT by defenderSD
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To: jiggyboy
Jig, welcome aboard!
109 posted on 06/21/2002 11:45:27 AM PDT by LikeLight
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To: Poohbah
I work for a major telecom equipment company. It can and does happen. Unfortunately, it's usually our switch and RBS that causes it, rather than the competition's.

/john

110 posted on 06/21/2002 11:51:20 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper
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To: Vermont Lt
I really don't understand what they are doing. It seems to me that to instill fear into us is to hit the small towns all across the country.

It would be frightening to have suicide bombers, car bombers, etc all over the country.

It kind of sends the message that they are everywhere.

111 posted on 06/21/2002 12:01:09 PM PDT by luckystarmom
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To: okkev68
I don't know for sure either, but he does have a lot of his kids there, too.
112 posted on 06/21/2002 12:01:23 PM PDT by Marysecretary
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To: okkev68
In all my years of having a cell phone, I have never picked up someone elses conversation. I have had static and lost connections, but never a cross link. Now my cordless phone is a different story.

I have two cell phones - an analog and a digital. I get crosstalk all the time, especially on the digital, and it's perfectly intelligible.

By the way, this is illegal, but if you have a television with an analog UHF tuner, it's easy to intercept cellular calls around channel 80. One side will come in clearly, and sometimes the sidetone will allow the other side to be heard too.

113 posted on 06/21/2002 12:21:14 PM PDT by HAL9000
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To: HAL9000
I used to, but I sold it to an "illegal" at a garage sale for 50 cents.
114 posted on 06/21/2002 12:29:08 PM PDT by okkev68
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To: HAL9000
With a 1970's tv and an arabic translater we can bring the whole al qaeda organization to its knees.
115 posted on 06/21/2002 12:32:58 PM PDT by okkev68
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To: Poohbah
Al-Qaeda is effective because they have good OPSEC. That means NOT discussing stuff this explicitly over a cell phone--they'd just say something like "Yo, Abdul, your car's fixed. Pick it up at the shop."

Bingo. They are very well disciplined. They know better than to discuss ops through an insecure means.

The thought occured to me that WE may have leaked (or fabricated) this story to throw THEM off for whatever reason. But I'm probably all wet (too many Clancy novels lately). Myself, I intend to have a glorious 4th, eating and visiting with family and friends whilst extending a warm middle finger towards Mecca.

116 posted on 06/21/2002 12:39:03 PM PDT by ProudEagle
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To: JRandomFreeper
Hiccups in the radio network are possible as you say, but I still think this was an phone that got bumped and decided to dial:

a) This happens a lot more often than network hiccups.

b) It goes a long way to explaining why an Arabic speaker happened to end up hearing a conversation in Arabic. It was probably someone he knows, or, perhaps, an Arabic-speaking merchant he has dealt with recently so his number was on the call list of the phone that accidentally dialed him.

As for the content of the call, I believe more in FBI incompetence than I do in Al Quaida opsec. A whole bunch of random towelheads seemed to know 9/11 was coming (kid in school pointing to towers and saying they will be gone, funny short activity in the market). Still, the most likley thing of all is that he is making it up.

But you might be right: Voicestream's network was all F-ed up along 495 this morning. And don't get me started about how well GPRS works in the U.S.

117 posted on 06/21/2002 12:47:39 PM PDT by eno_
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To: RaceBannon
I love the quote where the govt. guy says they are trying to figure out if the call was a threat or not....lol. What an idiot. Of course it is a threat....people don't call their friends on cell phones and make up terrorist plots and then hang up!
118 posted on 06/21/2002 12:50:52 PM PDT by rwfromkansas
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To: VA Advogado
Concerning your reply to post #19 So what you're saying is their phone made a three way call?

When a cell phone "speed dial" button is pushed inadvertently, and yours is the phone dialed, you pick up and hear any conversation happening near that one, inadvertently dialed cell phone. It's not a two-way TELEPHONE converstaion, it's a converstation taking place between two people in the vicinity of the inadvertently dialed cell phone!

Even if totally false, the scary thing is that it is all plausible.

Stay vigilent, and stay armed!!

119 posted on 06/21/2002 12:56:22 PM PDT by mil-vet
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To: freeperfromnj
It wouldn't stop me from celebrating the 4th.....nothing short of a nuclear bomb will stop me from shooting off a bunch of fireworks and having a good time.
120 posted on 06/21/2002 1:02:10 PM PDT by rwfromkansas
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