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Fighting Whities Mascot Causes Stir
Associated Press | Saturday, March 16, 2002 | By NICK WADHAMS

Posted on 03/16/2002 4:07:20 AM PST by JohnHuang2

DENVER (AP) - The idea started among some University of Northern Colorado students as a satirical commentary on a local high school's American Indian mascot.

The students named their intramural basketball team, made up of American Indians, Hispanics and whites, ``The Fighting Whities.'' They printed up jerseys saying ``Every thang's going to be all white,'' with a caricature of a middle-aged white man.

``The Fighting Whities,'' however, have taken on a life of their own.

More than 1,600 e-mails have flooded into the university in Greeley, north of Denver. Some say it's about time that a white person is made a mascot for a sport team. Others complain the idea as perpetuating yet another racial stereotype.

``It's obvious some of the people are taking it the way it's not supposed to be taken,'' said team member Jeff VanIwarden.

Team members have gotten phone calls from around the country and invitations to appear on television. They were mentioned by Jay Leno on the Tonight Show on Tuesday. The American Indian Movement has weighed in supporting the name.

The team chose the name after it couldn't persuade nearby Eaton High School to abandon its nickname, the Fightin' Reds, and the American Indian caricature on the team logo. The students say the logo is offensive.

The school superintendent denies the logo is derogatory and called the group's criticism insulting.

Some e-mails said the mascot image should be even more derogatory than a middle-aged white man with a tie.

``Some people online were saying that the mascot should be ... a fat guy with buckteeth kissing his sister,'' said Tom Crebbs of Oakland, Calif., who heard about the idea and started his own Web site selling spin-off shirts, hats and mugs.

Others, like Michael Gonsalves of New York, disagreed: ``If you are fighting against a perceived injustice, is the proper recourse to go out and do the very same thing?''

With all the publicity, the team plans on printing new T-shirts. VanIwarden said they will have a message condemning racial stereotypes to dissuade people from making light of the shirt.

On the Net:

The University of Northern Colorado: http://www.unco.edu

The American Indian Movement: http://www.aimovement.org


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To: SpookBrat
I thought it was funny too. Probably because I actually have an ounce of self esteem. I'll be wearing my t-shirt soon.
61 posted on 03/16/2002 8:54:26 AM PST by Republic of Texas
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To: aruanan
Have you noticed that their website describes their team as composed of "Native Americans and non-Indians"? Shouldn't that be non-Native Americans? Unless they're talking about people who are not from India.

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Actually it should read: "American Aborgines and non-Europeans". Though I admit, it's not quite as catchy. But seriously, a "native American" is anyone born within the national boundries of the United States-- no matter what their color, physcial back round, or whatever. A full blooded Sioux whose mother gave birth to him while visiting friends in Canada is NOT a "native American".

62 posted on 03/16/2002 9:01:14 AM PST by yankeedame
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To: Marauder
Yeah, I'm for sure "paleface". I don't tan; just burn, peel and freckle. LOL
63 posted on 03/16/2002 9:04:14 AM PST by SpookBrat
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To: Republic of Texas
Take a picture of you in it and put it behind your name. :) It's funny because they were really trying to "sock it to us" and now it's biting them in the butt. I wonder how they will spin it?
64 posted on 03/16/2002 9:08:55 AM PST by SpookBrat
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To: JohnHuang2
Hey Y'all can't we do the same thing but change the logo and the Name slightly and sell the shirts? I know someone has got some freeper stuff for sale maybe this would be an excellent money-maker for some enterprising freeper! (I love Capitalism)
65 posted on 03/16/2002 9:11:06 AM PST by Mad Dawgg
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To: JohnHuang2
``It's obvious some of the people are taking it the way it's not supposed to be taken,'' said team member Jeff VanIwarden.

Well, they’re not too upset about it!

My email to them:

Please send me a price list for your shirts. I am a delegate to the Republican District Convention in SE Texas (Tom DeLay's hometown) in three weeks and can sell at least a hundred.

Their REPLY:

Thanks for asking about shirts! We finally got a store online where you can

get them. It's at:

http://www.cafepress.com/fightinwhite

We're working on a Web site too (it's not up yet but will be soon). It will

be at:

http://www.fightingwhites.org

Thanks for your support,

The Fighting Whites Team

66 posted on 03/16/2002 9:12:45 AM PST by HoustonCurmudgeon
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To: rface
We're havin our own T-shirts printed, keeping with the time honored tradition of white guys rippin off the indians.

What are they gonna do? Sue me?

BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!

67 posted on 03/16/2002 9:19:35 AM PST by gwynapnudd
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To: Nowhere Man
What a model democrat! A whining, lying, irresponsible, work-dodging, freeloader. Wouldn't it be great to see the RNC use Dr. Smith in ads aimed at the baby boomers? Al Gore, the inventor of space travel, in Lost in Space ...

Maybe we could get Registered to produce a sample?

68 posted on 03/16/2002 9:27:30 AM PST by watchin
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To: Bryan
I went to Grad school at U of I. Go Illini!
69 posted on 03/16/2002 9:34:56 AM PST by ironman
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To: HoustonCurmudgeon
Beware of the cafepress.com shirt: it is politically corrected. Go to their website and take a look at the comment on the back.
70 posted on 03/16/2002 9:48:24 AM PST by Chi-townChief
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To: Kermit
"Never judge a man until you've walked a mile in his mocassins ..."

And the little known second line:

"... that way, when you DO judge him, you'll be a mile away, AND you'll have his mocassins."

71 posted on 03/16/2002 9:52:12 AM PST by watchin
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To: Kermit
As the leader of one of the largest and most progressive Tribes in the United States, I am writing this letter to appeal to Eaton High School to change the name of their team mascots.

If he is serious about this, he'll offer to EXCHANGE names. Let the Eaton high school take the name 'Fighting Whities'.

Just wait, this is going to swing around again. The Libs are going to get REALLY PO'd over this. They have no sense of humor, and are pi$$ed if they cann't be pi@@ed.

72 posted on 03/16/2002 9:58:16 AM PST by Balding_Eagle
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To: Kermit
The team, made up of American Indian, Anglo and Hispanic players

Does anyone else think it is stupid to use the term "Anglo" to describe all white people? Many white people have Celtic, Slavic, Latin, or Germanic roots, and little or no Anglo-Saxon ancestry. To me, using "Anglo" this way is like calling all indigenous Americans "Commanches," even if he is actually a Mayan, Incan, or Apache.

73 posted on 03/16/2002 10:14:11 AM PST by timm22
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To: timm22
"Does anyone else think it is stupid OFFENSIVE to use the term "Anglo" to describe all white people?"
74 posted on 03/16/2002 10:24:29 AM PST by cake_crumb
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To: yankeedame
A full blooded Sioux whose mother gave birth to him while visiting friends in Canada is NOT a "native American".

Sure, he is. Anyone born in the Americas is an American; more specifically North American (Mexico, the U.S., and Canada), Central American, or South American. The problem is that too many have accepted "American" as being synonymous with "U.S. citizen". This is just a result of "United States citizen" being so long to say compared to the abbreviated "American".
75 posted on 03/16/2002 11:26:06 AM PST by aruanan
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To: JohnHuang2
Too bad the kids are liberals!
76 posted on 03/16/2002 11:36:21 AM PST by RnMomof7
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To: Kermit
I *knew* that logo looked familiar! I think it is from the Church of the Subgenius.
77 posted on 03/16/2002 12:19:45 PM PST by FreedomPoster
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To: Bryan
Good post #15, Bryan. Thanks.
78 posted on 03/16/2002 1:27:27 PM PST by Victoria Delsoul
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To: fish hawk
Do they have a conservative newspaper at Stanford? If so, maybe you could allow them to interview you on the subject and have the interview published. That way, at least, the history will be properly recorded.
79 posted on 03/16/2002 2:08:32 PM PST by What Is Ain't
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To: SpookBrat
OOOOOOOh, I'm gonna tell dad....you said 'honky'.
80 posted on 03/16/2002 2:10:03 PM PST by constitutiongirl
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