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Jesus, in the Shroud of Turin is truly a revelation
WHISTLEBLOWER MAGAZINE ^ | 3/12 | Wired

Posted on 03/15/2002 6:57:35 AM PST by OPS4

WHISTLEBLOWER MAGAZINE Evidence of the risen Christ? Special Easter report sheds new light on reputed burial cloths of Jesus

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted: March 12, 2002 1:08 p.m. Eastern

© 2002 WorldNetDaily.com

The March edition of WND's acclaimed monthly magazine, Whistleblower concludes with an in-depth and stunning report on the Shroud of Turin – the 14-foot-long piece of linen believed by many to be the burial cloth of Jesus of Nazareth.

The most studied artifact in human history, the image of a crucified man mysteriously emblazoned upon it – in a way modern technology has been unable to duplicate – is breathtaking.

Experts – the gurus of science and medicine, the professors of history and art – cannot agree on the authenticity of the Shroud of Turin. Skeptics have tried, unsuccessfully, to recreate the image they insist is a “pious fake.” Most who reject the Shroud put their faith in the carbon-14 testing results that date the linen as from the 14th century. Others respond that the storage conditions over the years and at least one fire forestall any accurate dating using carbon-14 tests.

Believers point to the growing body of scientific and historical evidence that bolster the authenticity of the Shroud.

How, ask Shroud supporters, is it possible that a clever fake shroud could be made in the 1300s as a perfect photographic negative that would not be properly “seen” until modern photography was invented? And what of the incredible fact that the fabric areas on the Shroud where the image is contained are only one fiber deep? No paint or stain would remain on the top surface of the first layer of the fibrils.

And how was a fraudulent relic-monger to know the medical truths that recent medical science has just learned? The medical details of crucifixion are so complex that no modern artist has – and no medieval artist could have – duplicated the precise geometry of the body in extremis.

And most compelling, why has no copy been achieved, given the vast science and technology at our command?

Skeptics have a difficult time, say Shroud proponents, with the mounting scientific and historical corroboration that should force an open-minded investigator to reconsider his objections.

One historian of the Shroud mused, “Their refusal to believe the evidence is itself not a scientific attitude.” The real problem, claim Shroud supporters, is not that an ancient cloth that covered a crucified victim still exists after two thousand years. Said one researcher: “Do you think that if the ancient burial sheet of a sandal maker had been discovered with a scroll that read, ‘here lies Benjamin the Sandal Maker,’ that the scientific world fall all over itself to prove that it could not be Benjamin the Sandal Maker?”

“No. They only compromise their scientific witness because the peculiarities of the wounds of this victim reveal him to be no sandal maker, but the Son of God. If they could, they would get rid of all the physical evidence of Christianity – that Jesus lived, died and was buried. And then Christians would have nothing to believe in. Then, after two thousand years, Christians would finally die out.”

The March edition of Whistleblower is dedicated to the rampant persecution of Christians in today's world. But in honor of Easter, WND's editors included this special section on the Shroud of Turin. Titled "The first Christian martyr," this eye-opening report on the Shroud – as well as the lesser known Sudarium of Oveido, believed to be the face-cloth of the entombed Jesus – begins with the reactions of visitors who view the Shroud in person:

“You look at it and you cannot escape it: His body was horribly, horribly wounded. I choked up,” said one visitor to the millennium Shroud of Turin exhibit.

Another viewer summed up his experience, “I realized that this image is a message that was left for us. The resurrection truly happened. The man they tried to extinguish, lives. And we will too, no matter what the world tries to do to us, we will rise again with Him.”

Whistleblower's special report by Mary Jo Anderson includes five remarkable, high-quality photographs taken by Barrie M. Schwortz, a member of the historic 1978 scientific team that was allowed to examine the Shroud. One of them is the full-length negative of the Shroud that clearly reveals the detailed and deeply gripping image of a crucified man.


TOPICS: Activism/Chapters; Culture/Society; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: ascendedlord; jesus; miracles; shroudofturin
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To: eastsider
Ditto clever con artist have a good mind for things like that.
21 posted on 03/15/2002 7:30:38 AM PST by weikel
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To: weikel
"The shroud is a fake there were tons of hustlers selling fake religious relics in the 14th century."

Wrong, my friend. It is NOT a fake. The leader of that 1978 expedition..........and still president of the Shroud of Turin Foundation, is Dr. Tom D'Muhala........who also happens to be a good friend and attends my church here in Raleigh, NC. He's a BRILLIANT scientist (physicist), and, in fact, will be giving another public presentation on the Shroud on March 27th here in Raleigh (he does these about once every year or so). It's fascinating stuff. In the past, I have posted threads on his presentations, sent videos of it to many, many FReepers around the country, etc. I will not attempt to duplicate all of that information in this reply. Suffice it to say that Tom knows what he's talking about, I know what I'm talking about, and you're dealing from extremely limited information (not a crime, mind you, but not the best of positions from which to cry "fraud", either).

22 posted on 03/15/2002 7:30:43 AM PST by RightOnline
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To: OPS4
Whether the shroud is genuine or not is unimportant in the end. Faith is the issue.
23 posted on 03/15/2002 7:32:22 AM PST by Clara Lou
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To: RightOnline
Okay but what are his arguements which shoot down the RC dating. I'd be a bit more willing to believe if it didn't date to the 14th century.
24 posted on 03/15/2002 7:33:22 AM PST by weikel
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To: vrwinger
Righteous bump!

Some people believe that religion - including Christianity - is about being successful at manipulating the supernatural realm. Whether it's potions, incantations, or spiritually-infused "relics", the underlying belief system is the same: having the right "stuff", or going through the right series of motions, somehow connects you to and allows you to manipulate supernatural forces.

The Shroud, real or fake, doesn't matter. The Bible isn't a magical book - it's an ethical book. Our relationship with God is based on our ethical standing before Him. No amount of relics, or icons, or potions, or incantations can change that. God is not some impersonal force that we can manipulate if we're skilled enough. The Shroud may very well be what some think it is - proof that Jesus was crucified for our sins, rose from the dead, and ascended into Heaven to sit at the right hand of the Father and make intercession for us daily. If it's a 13th century fake, so what?

Jesus was still crucified for our sins, rose from the dead, and ascended into Heaven to sit at the right hand of the Father and make intercession for us daily. Choose today whom you will serve.

25 posted on 03/15/2002 7:36:15 AM PST by Alex Murphy
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To: jboot
I'd agree. It's a real 14th century artifact.
26 posted on 03/15/2002 7:39:19 AM PST by powderhorn
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To: weikel
The carbon dating may be very accurate, but because of what the shroud has gone through it may be "reading" the wrong things. You have to remember that parts of the shroud were burned in a fire sometime around the 13th century (if you look at the dark splotches on the cloth you can see how the shroud was folded up and one corner was scorched), and there were apparently some attempts to repair the fabric afterward.
27 posted on 03/15/2002 7:39:34 AM PST by Alberta's Child
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To: OPS4
It wouldn't matter to me if it was real or not. Jesus is the Lord.
28 posted on 03/15/2002 7:39:44 AM PST by stevio
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To: Ff--150
Joshua 24:15 (KJV) - "And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, chose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD."
29 posted on 03/15/2002 7:42:36 AM PST by 4CJ
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To: Alberta's Child
Assuming that God could create the universe, couldn't we also assume that he could confound scientists?
30 posted on 03/15/2002 7:44:21 AM PST by billhilly
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To: OPS4
Have you heard of the Divine Mercy picture which St. Faustina had painted?
31 posted on 03/15/2002 7:44:27 AM PST by tiki
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To: weikel
The shroud is a fake there were tons of hustlers selling fake religious relics in the 14th century.

Yet, although we abound in 21st century technology, we cannot duplicate this shroud.

32 posted on 03/15/2002 7:47:17 AM PST by Stand Watch Listen
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To: RightOnline
See #31
33 posted on 03/15/2002 7:48:09 AM PST by tiki
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To: weikel
Thanks for clearing this up for us, we'll inform the experts who aren't aware of your difinitive conclusion.
34 posted on 03/15/2002 7:49:11 AM PST by Gargantua
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To: OPS4
Jesus, in the Shroud of Turin is truly a revelation

Only because you have belief. It is the belief that gives the Shroud meaning to you.
35 posted on 03/15/2002 7:50:30 AM PST by BikerNYC
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To: weikel
Radio Carbon dating dates it to the 1300s just coincidently a time when the 'phony relics' buisness was at its peak good enough to prove its a fake to me.

A few years ago, four postage size samples were taken from the shroud for scientific examination. These samples were taken from areas which experienced fire damage in the 13-14th century. Seems the carbon dating would be invalid if this is the case.

36 posted on 03/15/2002 7:50:33 AM PST by Stand Watch Listen
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To: weikel
You obvoiusly haven't read all the scientific evidence. The carbon dating calculations were thrown out due to several factors, specifically microscopic fungus that was skewering the test results. Additionally, I refer this to a faith issue. "For those who believe, no proof is necessary, for those who don't believe, no proof will suffice."
37 posted on 03/15/2002 7:51:20 AM PST by phil1750
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To: weikel;jboot
jboot made the key point in #3. The Shroud may be a fake, but if it is, it's a darned interesting one. No one today can figure out how it could have been made. I'm not aware of any other "pious frauds," in any religious tradition, that fall into that category. The whole Shroud business would collapse the moment some debunker managed to produce a replica. So far, no one has been able to.
38 posted on 03/15/2002 7:51:35 AM PST by sphinx
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To: billhilly
Assuming that God could create the universe, couldn't we also assume that he could confound scientists?

We could also assume that He could just as easily confound skeptics.

39 posted on 03/15/2002 7:52:35 AM PST by Alberta's Child
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To: Gargantua
Good News For The Day

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40 posted on 03/15/2002 7:52:59 AM PST by f.Christian
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