The Next Reformation? 9.5 Thesis Posted on 'Church Door'!

9.5 Theses for the Next Reformation

Modern-day Reformers Post Document on 'Church Door'

We the undersigned, out of love for the truth and a desire to see all Christians honor and acknowledge all that God has revealed in his Word, submit these 9.5 Theses for your prayerful evaluation and participation with us in calling for further reform. May these theses be the spark that ignites the next Reformation of Christianity.

1. Everything Jesus said would happen, happened exactly as and when He said it would-within the lifetime of his contemporaries.

2. Everything every New Testament writer expected to happen, happened exactly as and when they expected it would-within their lifetime-as they were guided into all truth and told the things that were to come by the Holy Spirit (Jn. 16:13).

3. Scholars across a broad spectrum are in general agreement that this is exactly how every NT writer and the early Church understood Jesus' words. If they were wrong on something this important, how can we trust them to have conveyed other aspects of the faith accurately, such as the requirements for salvation?

4. No inspired NT writer, writing twenty or more years later, ever corrected their Holy-Spirit-guided understanding and fulfillment expectations (Jn. 16:13). Neither should we. Instead, they intensified their language as the "appointed time of the end" (Dan. 12:4; Hab. 2:3) drew near-from Jesus' "this generation" (Mat. 24:34), to Peter's "the end of all things is at hand" and "for it is time for judgment to begin" (1 Pet. 4:7, 17), and John's "this is the last hour . . . . it is the last hour" (1 Jn. 2:18).

5. Partial fulfillment is not satisfactory. 3 out of 5, 7 out of 10, etc., won't work. Partial does not pass the test of a true prophet (Deut. 18:18-22). Again, Jesus time-restricted all of his end-time predictions to occur within the 1st-century time frame.

6. God is faithful (2 Pet. 3:9) and "not a man that he should lie" (Num. 23:19). Faithfulness means not only doing what was promised, but also doing it when it was promised.

7. 1st-century, fulfillment expectations were the correct ones and everything happened, right on time-no gaps, no gimmicks, no interruptions, no postponements, no delays, no exegetical gymnastics, and no changing the meaning of commonly used and normally understood words. Such manipulative devices have only given liberals and skeptics a foothold to discredit Christ's Deity and the inerrancy of Scripture.

8. What needs adjusting is our understanding of both the time and nature of fulfillment, and not manipulation of the time factor to conform to our popular, futuristic, and delay expectations.

9. The kingdom of God was the central teaching of our Lord Jesus Christ, is a present but greatly under-realized reality, and must again become the central teaching of his Church.

9.5. We have been guilty of proclaiming a half-truth-a partially delivered faith to the world and to fellow Christians. We must repent and earnestly "contend for the faith that was once for all delivered to the saints" (Jude 3). If Christianity has been as effective as it has by proclaiming that Jesus Christ, the Messiah, came, died for our sins, bodily arose from the dead, and ascended to Heaven "at just the right time" (Rom. 5:6; Dan. 9:24-27), how much more effective might it be if we started preaching, teaching, and practicing the whole truth-i.e., a faith in which everything else also happened "at just the right time," exactly as and when Jesus said it would and every NT writer expected (Jn. 16:13). Dare we continue to settle for less?

Surely today, the words of Martin Luther, as he stood in defense before the Diet of Worms in 1521, are still applicable and compelling for the "always reforming" Church:
"Unless I am convinced by the testimony of the Scriptures or by clear reason (for I do not trust either in the pope or in councils alone, since it is well known that they have often erred and contradicted themselves), I am bound by the Scriptures . . . and my conscience is captive to the Word of God . . . . I cannot do otherwise. "

Original Signatories

John Noe, President Prophecy Reformation Institute Indianapolis, Indiana Rick Chromey, Professor of Christian Education Saint Louis Christian College Florissant, Missouri
Edward E. Stevens, President International Preterist Association Bradford, Pennsylvania
Danny Griffin, President Carolina Christian Ministries Charlotte, North Carolina
John Anderson, President Lighthouse World Ministries Sparta, North Carolina
Walter C. Hibbard, Former Founder & Chairman Great Christian Books, Inc. Newark, Delaware
Mike Lightfoot, Pastor Father's House Fellowship Clarkston, Washington
Terry Siverd, Minister Cortland Church of Christ Cortland, Ohio
Kenneth J. Davies, President Grace Ministries Lemon Grove, California
Joseph Lewis, Pastor Fulfilled Bible Fellowship Delair, New Jersey
Jerry Wayne Bernard, Vice President Scripture Research, Inc. Riverside, California
Arthur J. Melanson, President Joy of the Lord Ministry Audubon, New Jersey
Jerry Hester, Pastor Dominion Community Church Greer, South Carolina
Terry M. Hall, Minister Miami Valley Church Beavercreek, Ohio
Gene Fadeley, President Anchor Publishing Charlotte, North Carolina
Rod Moyses, Manager M2ktalk.Com, (internet-satellite radio networks) Fresno, California
Stan Newton, Pastor Missionary to Bulgaria Seattle, Washington
Timothy R. King, Pastor Central Baptist Church Grand Junction, Colorado
Walter Koch, Pastor Emanuel Centro Christiano El Monte, California
Jack C. Scott, Jr., Minister Glacier View Church Kalispell, Montana
A. Wilson Phillips, Pastor Abundant Life Covenant Church Springfield, Missouri
Thomas A. Price, Jr., Pastor Sherman Community Church Sherman, New York
Don K. Preston, Minister Ardmore Church of Christ Ardmore, Oklahoma
David Curtis, Pastor Berean Bible Church Cheasapeake, Virginia
Jessie E. Mills, Jr., Minister Central Church of Christ Bonifay, Florida
Bud Fleisher, Host/Producer "Let's Talk Religion" (radio program) Clearwater, Florida
Ron Smith, President Friendship In Action (mission work in Mexico) Mission,
Texas Bill Clark Brumbaugh, Host Proactive News (nat'l syndicated radio program) Bozeman, Montana
James R. Hopkins, Minister Daleville Church of Christ Daleville, Alabama
William Bell, Minister Raines Road Church of Christ Memphis, Tennessee

Published by the Prophecy Reformation Institute: a conservative, evangelical ministry dedicated to continuing the Reformation into the field of eschatology-end-time Bible prophecy, and the International Preterist Association.

Books for the Next Reformation
· Chilton, David. "The Days of Vengeance." Ft. Worth, TX.: Dominion Press, 1987.
· DeMar, Gary, "Last Days Madness: Obsession of the Modern Church." Atlanta, GA.: American Vision, 3rd ed., 1997.
· *________. "End Times Fiction: A Biblical Consideration of the Left Behind Theology." Nashville: Thomas Nelson, 2001.
· Gentry, Jr., Kenneth L. "Before Jerusalem Fell." Atlanta, GA.: American Vision, revised ed., 1998.
· *Noe, John. "Beyond the End Times: The Rest of . . . The Greatest Story Ever Told. "Bradford, PA.: IPA, 1999.
· *________. "Dead In Their Tracks: Stopping the Liberal/Skeptic Attack on the Bible." Bradford, PA.: IPA, 2001.
· ________. "Shattering the ‘Left Behind’ Delusion." Bradford, PA.: IPA, 2000.
· ________. "The Israel Illusion: 13 Popular Misconceptions about This Modern-day Nation and Its Role in Bible Prophecy. "Fishers, IN.: PRI, 2000.
· ________. Top Ten Misconceptions about Jesus’ Second Coming and the End Times. Fishers, IN.: PRI, 1998.
· Otto, Randell E. "Case Dismissed: Rebutting Common Charges Against Preterism." Bradford, PA.: IPA, 2000.
· Russell, J. Stuart. "The Parousia." Bradford, Pennsylvania: IPA, 2002. Reprint of the second edition originally published by T. Fisher Unwin, in London, England in 1887.
· *Sproul, R.C. "The Last Days According to Jesus. "Grand Rapids: Baker Books, 1998.
· Stevens, Edward E. "Questions About The Afterlife. "Bradford, PA.: IPA, 1999.
· ________. "What Happened In A.D. 70?" Bradford, PA.: IPA, 6th ed., 2001.
· Terry, Milton S. "Biblical Hermeneutics. "Eugene, OR.: Wipf and Stock Publishers, 1890, 1999.

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I have tried to keep an open mind throughout our discussion (I hope that you will agree), but something has bothered me since almost the beginning, but I couldn't put my finger on it. That is, until this morning as I was making my 70 mile commute (lots of time to think and pray!).

I have noticed that you have utilized Genesis 8:21-22 as your definitive passage, and used it to interpret all the rest of Scripture. I believe that you have thus placed the cart before the horse. Rather than allowing an isolated passage of Scripture to interpret the rest of Scripture, one must always allow the overall mesage of Scripture to interpret individual passages.

As a result, God is saying in Genesis 8 that he will never again destroy the earth in the same manner as the flood. This is the meaning that Peter assigns, as witnessed by II Peter 3:1-15. This is only one of many passages that describe the final consummation of the history of this earth, and the promise of a "new heaven and new earth to come. This is the "world without end" (Isa 45:17; Eph 3:21), a world that has been purified by fire and no longer bears the stain of sin.

Good thread here. Way too much for me to digest this early in the AM, but have saved it in my Favs for further reading and thoughtful prayer.

I guess I am somewhere in between - not a dispensationalist and not a preterist. God has not given me a full understanding of all this, so I just try to live my life according to His will and rest in His Grace and mercy.

BTW: Adam is looking good so far. The "water on the brain" is very minimal, Suzie is feeling good today also. The Doc gave us some great hope for a healthy son in May. He may not be in what others call "normal" condition but I am praying for healthy. That is all I ask of God. The abundance of that request is up to him.

I am praying for a perfect and healthy little Adam. A miracle to God's glory and honor.

I agree with your comment about 2 Peter 3:1-15. It is one of the reasons why I do not buy into the theory espoused by Russell in his book The Parousia. I think full preterism is a mistake. And I think Russell's explanation of 2 Peter 3:1-15 is typical of the deception which ensnared him.

However, I submit that if you do not buy into Russell's explanation of 2 Peter 3:1-15, then you can't cling to any form of premillennialism, either.

If you will carefully re-read the passage (rather than the commentaries, of course!), I think you will see what I mean.

(Eschatology is funny stuff!)

Ok, I'll admit that I have a little confusion here, if I understand correctly that we still wait for the second comming of our Lord. Is this not what premillennialism does believe?

BTW, doc, the first resurrection in Revelation 20: is this the resurrection of Christ or is it something else?

Oh.

Convenient how that apparently worked out.

Glorious appearing...

...then kill all the witnesses. (NOT!)

Hmm...hadn't thought of that possibility. Kind of makes sense though...I guess...(NOT!)...seeing as how the victims of home invasions are often killed by the theives who break in. Don't want any witnesses to the Glorious Appearing dontchaknow (despite the fact that it would be the most anticipated event in all of Christiandom).

Shhhhhh...gotta keep it a secret.(Mat. 24:23,26-28)

Big secret...loose lips...well, you know the rest.

If your answer were correct, we would be left to wonder why He would have allowed all the other evil people to remain...like Domitian, Trajan, Adrian, Septimus, Servus, Maximum, Decius, Valerian, Aurelian, and Diocletian to persecute and kill the bride of Christ. I mean, if He is indeed reigning as you claim, and therefore satan is bound, as He said satan would be...seems rather odd that these evil men weren't removed, along with all the High Priests, from the world scene also.

thanks for your...interesting, colorful and well devised and plotted out reply about how God pulled off that clever scheme (Mat. 24:23,26-28) of His.

You have a vivid and colorful (though Biblically contradictory) imagination!

For some reason (Mat. 24:23,26-28), I have difficulty believing your account, as there seems to be somewhere (Mat. 24:23,26-28) that I read that it wouldn't happen as you describe. If I figure out what it is (Mat. 24:23,26-28) that causes me such concern (Mat. 24:23,26-28), I'll get back to you with that (Mat. 24:23,26-28) information though.

Until then, I'm departing from this thread of the hermeneutical butchery of God's Word.

C-ya 'round.

Ok, I'll admit that I have a little confusion here, if I understand correctly that we still wait for the second comming of our Lord. Is this not what premillennialism does believe?

BTW, doc, the first resurrection in Revelation 20: is this the resurrection of Christ or is it something else?

It is the resurrection of salvation that took effect at the resurrection of Christ.
John 11:24 Martha said to him, "I know that he will rise again in the resurrection at the last day." 25 Jesus said to her, "I am the resurrection and the life; he who believes in me, though he die, yet shall he live, 26 and whoever lives and believes in me shall never die. Do you believe this?"

There was also a rising of actual "saints" in:
Matthew 27:52 the tombs also were opened, and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised, 53 and coming out of the tombs after his resurrection they went into the holy city and appeared to many.

You are correct. The great White Throne will be only for the perishing...

Actually, it was not. All those asleep in Christ were judged according to their works, all those who were dead in sin were judged to eternal damnation.
No where does it speak of 2 judgment seats.
It simply speaks of the White Throne.

The "non" judgment I referred to is only in effect for those after the return and "great white throne."
Christians today are not judged by our works at all! That is an "old covenant" system of salvation, not a new covenant.
One thing that gets lost is that Christ taught the "new covenant" teachings before it was ever in effect. So did the writer of Hebrews.

So, I ask you again, when did Jesus ever return in bodily form to rightly fulfill the prophecy of Acts 1:9-11.

And I submit to you again, "like manner" is that He would return in a cloud!! Not "bodily"(a word NOT used in describing His return but "cloud" is all over the place) visible, but "shikinah" visible. His super-physical body WAS in the "shikinah" glory cloud.

I submitt to Vmatt's explination of it being seen. The "shikinah" cloud was seen and what a better confirmation of it's existance than from a guy who did not believe in Christ?! He was unsaved yet attributed this to God!!

...and not a really visible and important event, shouldn't we have some eyewitnesses to the alleged event?

Again, it was visible and important. You just are hung up on "bodily" (again, not used as a description but cloud is) instead of seeing Christ's referrence (hint) to His "shikinah glory" cloud.

Joesphus wrote of things he didn't actually see first-hand concerning the Messiah, he only relates second and third-hand testimony and certainly has a reputation of exaggeration in his relating of history,

You clearly have not read your old testament. You have disqualified every writer of prophecy!! (Other than the "second and third hand" remark. In that case Lukes gospel is unreliable at best.)

Josephus has been smeared because religious men see the threat he poses to their "authority" structure. I am convinced more "teachers" today understand the real implications and changes/threat a "fulfilled" promise (new covenant) would cause.

I have noticed that you have utilized Genesis 8:21-22 as your definitive passage, and used it to interpret all the rest of Scripture.

I do not. I base Christs 1st century coming as my key to interpreting scripture based on the overwhelming time text by Him and His apostles.

You have continualy ignored my question.
HOW can the "days of vengeance":
Matthew 23:32 Fill up, then, the measure of your fathers. 33 You serpents, you brood of vipers, how are you to escape being sentenced to hell? 34 Therefore I send you prophets and wise men and scribes, some of whom you will kill and crucify, and some you will scourge in your synagogues and persecute from town to town, 35 that upon you may come all the righteous blood shed on earth, from the blood of innocent Abel to the blood of Zechari'ah the son of Barachi'ah, whom you murdered between the sanctuary and the altar. 36 Truly, I say to you, all this will come upon this generation. 37 "O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, killing the prophets and stoning those who are sent to you! How often would I have gathered your children together as a hen gathers her brood under her wings, and you would not! 38 Behold, your house is forsaken and desolate.

from the "second coming which brings the resurrection and "deliverance" (rapture):
Daniel 12:1 "At that time shall arise Michael, the great prince who has charge of your people. And there shall be a time of trouble,[great tribulation] such as never has been since there was a nation till that time; but at that time your people shall be delivered, every one whose name shall be found written in the book.[rapture] 2 And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, [resurrection]some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. 3 And those who are wise shall shine like the brightness of the firmament; and those who turn many to righteousness, like the stars for ever and ever. [following Christians in the new covenant "For you are the light of the world, a city set on a hill cannot be hid".

THESE EVENTS ARE SIMULTANEOUS. ONE TIME PERIOD!!!

When?
Daniel 12:. 6 And I said to the man clothed in linen, who was above the waters of the stream, "How long shall it be till the end of these wonders?" 7 The man clothed in linen, who was above the waters of the stream, raised his right hand and his left hand toward heaven; and I heard him swear by him who lives for ever that it would be for a time, two times, and half a time; and that when the shattering of the power of the holy people comes to an end all these things would be accomplished.
Luke 21:22 for these are days of vengeance, to fulfil all that is written.

INCLUDING DANIEL 12 and REVELATION!!!

If the "days of vengeance" (Matt 23) are passed, so is EVERYTHING else.

A partial preterist cannot defend himself TRULY in the light of these scriptures.

ALL else must fit this. AQll interpretation. All referrence to "judgment". All referrence to "end of the AGE". All referrence to the new covenant.

It all rests on Christs completed work at His return and ALL things being under His feet (1 Cor 15, Hebrews 2:8, Hebrews 10)

Esther 4

Thank you!
I will put application to these verses very soon, not only for Adam, but defeat of Satan.

I cannot thank you enough for how you have helped me in the understanding of who that "devil" really is.
ME!!

It erases all "accountability" doubt or blame. I AM the boogy man!!

I talked it over with my friend today on the phone. He get's it too. He is at that 70 pct convinced area I was at a few weeks back.
I also now understand the uses of "satan" in the temptation of Christ, rebuke of Peter, Revelation 20 and even Job.

I would love it if you have a study on this issue, if you could send it to me for "web page posting." If not I guess I will have to work one up myself.

God bless you as you have blessed me with this.

Ok, I'll admit that I have a little confusion here, if I understand correctly that we still wait for the second comming of our Lord. Is this not what premillennialism does believe?

All real Christians believe that the Lord will return again. But the terminology has to do with the timing of his return with respect to the millennium.

The premill (whether historic or dispensational) believes that His return will happen before he ushers in a millennial kingdom on earth--i.e., His return will be premillennial.

The postmill (there are several forms) believes that the Lord will usher in a glorious age on earth a thousand years before His return. Thus, the postmill believes that the Lord's next appearance on earth will be postmillennial. (The question is, has the millenium started yet? If so, when? If not, when will it start?)

The amill (there are several forms) believes that the millennium is merely an apocalyptic metaphor for the gospel era itself. There are only four explicit references in the entire Bible to the millennium as such. They are all found in a single chapter of a single very cryptic, difficult book. They are all in Revelation 20.

And the key to figuring out what the millennium really is involves focusing on what the two resurrections of Revelation 20 really are. The main difficulty surrounds what the first resurrection is. But we definitely need to work through this, because somehow, some way, the two resurrections frame the millennium and thereby delineate its meaning. If we misconstrue the reference to the first resurrection, we wind up in an amazingly nasty Satanic deception.

(It goes without saying that you need to ignore all of the footnotes in your study Bibles about Ezekiel and Daniel and Isaiah and the Olivet Discourse, etc. Spend plenty of time in Revelation 20. It really does seem to be the key to everything of real importance in the overall controversy.)

BTW, doc, the first resurrection in Revelation 20: is this the resurrection of Christ or is it something else?

I read the two resurrections in Revelation 20 as referring to the same two resurrections covered in John 5. (They are both tied in interesting ways to the bodily resurrection of Christ, of course. But they are not that event as such.)

Sorry I don't have time to get into an in-depth discussion of end-time prophecy. Too much rat killin' to do.

I will put application to these verses very soon, not only for Adam, but defeat of Satan.

Start off real slow. Purpose to go one day, I promise just seriously thinking about one single day without food and water will introduce you to the wiles of the Satan himself. Much of it is keeping it between you and God. Get back and let me know the little lies Satan tells you about why you can't do even this. You will be surprised. One example: "NATE, you going to do this just because some wierdo told you to on the internet?" "NATE, this isn't healthy!"

Matthew 6:16 Moreover when(not if) ye fast, be not, as the hypocrites, of a sad countenance: for they disfigure their faces, that they may appear unto men to fast. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.

17 But thou, when thou fastest, anoint thine head, and wash thy face;

18 That thou appear not unto men to fast, but unto thy Father which is in secret: and thy Father, which seeth in secret, shall(not might, maybe, could) reward thee openly.

I cannot thank you enough for how you have helped me in the understanding of who that "devil" really is. ME!!

Believe me, the pleasure in so hearing a mind is all I require. This is a subject you can and should run with yourself.

1 Corinthians 9:25 And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things. Now they do it to obtain a corruptible crown; but we an incorruptible.

26 I therefore so run, not as uncertainly; so fight I, not as one that beateth the air:

27 But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.

Yeah, well...whatever.

The hermeneutics employed by you aren't worth to disputing. If you believe that the new Jerusalem has come down from heaven, that Jesus is now reigning from His throne in the New Jerusalem and that satan is bound, then that's what you're going to believe, regardless of any disagreeing views. (Proverbs 11:12)

"With all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love; Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace." (Eph. 4:2-3)

SDG

The city as described, is it something you could see with the human eye?

Matthew 12:28 - But if it is by the Spirit of God that I cast out demons, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.
Luke 17:21 - nor will they say, 'Lo, here it is!' or 'There!' for behold, the kingdom of God is in the midst of you."
Luke 19:11 - As they heard these things, he proceeded to tell a parable, because he was near to Jerusalem, and because they supposed that the kingdom of God was to appear immediately.
Romans 14:17 - For the kingdom of God is not food and drink but righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit;
Colossians 1:13 - He has delivered us from the dominion of darkness and transferred us to the kingdom of his beloved Son,
Hebrews 12:28 - Therefore let us be grateful for receiving a kingdom that cannot be shaken, and thus let us offer to God acceptable worship, with reverence and awe;
Revelation 1:6 - and made us a kingdom, priests to his God and Father, to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.
Revelation 5:10 - and hast made them a kingdom and priests to our God, and they shall reign on earth."

The kingdom is spiritually lived by the church.
This is the New Jerusalem.

. Revelation 21:2 And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband;

WE are the bride of Christ.

John 3:29 - He who has the bride is the bridegroom; the friend of the bridegroom, who stands and hears him, rejoices greatly at the bridegroom's voice; therefore this joy of mine is now full.
2 Corinthians 11:2 - I feel a divine jealousy for you, for I betrothed you to Christ to present you as a pure bride to her one husband.
Revelation 18:23 - and the light of a lamp shall shine in thee no more; and the voice of bridegroom and bride shall be heard in thee no more; for thy merchants were the great men of the earth, and all nations were deceived by thy sorcery.
Revelation 19:7 - Let us rejoice and exult and give him the glory, for the marriage of the Lamb has come, and his Bride has made herself ready;

The church is the New Jerusalem living in a perfect covenant. A New Heavens and New Earth.
AMEN

Are you ruling out prayer in tongues or just answering the question as narrowly asked?

I promise you, I studied this one. I do not believe the Bible clarifies a "prayer language." I believe it is word play to justify what happened at the Azuza street revivals. ( A congregation of witches and spiritists who suddenly became the authority of the "Baptism of the Holy Ghost?"

Just curious as you seem to believe that Healing is still possible, but maybe not tongues.

Healing was not an "end times sign" but a work of God to those who believe. Healing is very rare and done when God wants to do it. Miracles are not at all an "end times" gift but tongues and prophecy were.

Daniel 9:24 "Seventy weeks of years are decreed concerning your people and your holy city, to finish the transgression, to put an end to sin, and to atone for iniquity, to bring in everlasting righteousness, [this is the "perfect" that came:
1 Cor 13:9 For our knowledge is imperfect and our prophecy is imperfect; 10 but when the perfect comes, the imperfect will pass away]

to seal both vision and prophet, and to anoint a most holy place.

I believe those specific gifts are gone.

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