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To: Jerry_M; NATE4"ONE NATION"; the_doc; OrthodoxPresbyterian
As a result, God is saying in Genesis 8 that he will never again destroy the earth in the same manner as the flood. This is the meaning that Peter assigns, as witnessed by II Peter 3:1-15. This is only one of many passages that describe the final consummation of the history of this earth, and the promise of a "new heaven and new earth to come. This is the "world without end" (Isa 45:17; Eph 3:21), a world that has been purified by fire and no longer bears the stain of sin.

Ok, I'll admit that I have a little confusion here, if I understand correctly that we still wait for the second comming of our Lord. Is this not what premillennialism does believe?

BTW, doc, the first resurrection in Revelation 20: is this the resurrection of Christ or is it something else?

165 posted on 01/16/2002 6:57:35 AM PST by CCWoody
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To: CCWoody;the_doc
Ok, I'll admit that I have a little confusion here, if I understand correctly that we still wait for the second comming of our Lord. Is this not what premillennialism does believe?

BTW, doc, the first resurrection in Revelation 20: is this the resurrection of Christ or is it something else?


It is the resurrection of salvation that took effect at the resurrection of Christ.
John 11:24 Martha said to him, "I know that he will rise again in the resurrection at the last day." 25 Jesus said to her, "I am the resurrection and the life; he who believes in me, though he die, yet shall he live, 26 and whoever lives and believes in me shall never die. Do you believe this?"

There was also a rising of actual "saints" in:
Matthew 27:52 the tombs also were opened, and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised, 53 and coming out of the tombs after his resurrection they went into the holy city and appeared to many.
168 posted on 01/16/2002 10:53:25 AM PST by NATE4"ONE NATION"
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To: CCWoody; Jerry_M; OrthodoxPresbyterian; RnMomof7
Ok, I'll admit that I have a little confusion here, if I understand correctly that we still wait for the second comming of our Lord. Is this not what premillennialism does believe?

All real Christians believe that the Lord will return again. But the terminology has to do with the timing of his return with respect to the millennium.

The premill (whether historic or dispensational) believes that His return will happen before he ushers in a millennial kingdom on earth--i.e., His return will be premillennial.

The postmill (there are several forms) believes that the Lord will usher in a glorious age on earth a thousand years before His return. Thus, the postmill believes that the Lord's next appearance on earth will be postmillennial. (The question is, has the millenium started yet? If so, when? If not, when will it start?)

The amill (there are several forms) believes that the millennium is merely an apocalyptic metaphor for the gospel era itself. There are only four explicit references in the entire Bible to the millennium as such. They are all found in a single chapter of a single very cryptic, difficult book. They are all in Revelation 20.

And the key to figuring out what the millennium really is involves focusing on what the two resurrections of Revelation 20 really are. The main difficulty surrounds what the first resurrection is. But we definitely need to work through this, because somehow, some way, the two resurrections frame the millennium and thereby delineate its meaning. If we misconstrue the reference to the first resurrection, we wind up in an amazingly nasty Satanic deception.

(It goes without saying that you need to ignore all of the footnotes in your study Bibles about Ezekiel and Daniel and Isaiah and the Olivet Discourse, etc. Spend plenty of time in Revelation 20. It really does seem to be the key to everything of real importance in the overall controversy.)

BTW, doc, the first resurrection in Revelation 20: is this the resurrection of Christ or is it something else?

I read the two resurrections in Revelation 20 as referring to the same two resurrections covered in John 5. (They are both tied in interesting ways to the bodily resurrection of Christ, of course. But they are not that event as such.)

Sorry I don't have time to get into an in-depth discussion of end-time prophecy. Too much rat killin' to do.

172 posted on 01/16/2002 12:03:24 PM PST by the_doc
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